We signed Bebe despite having Giggs, Valencia, Nani, Park, Obertan and Cleverley
Raphael Varane
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We signed Bebe despite having Giggs, Valencia, Nani, Park, Obertan and Cleverley
I honestly believe we signed Bebe because of some unfinished business or future benefit from his agent and not because of his talent.
Also L'Equipe reporting that Raphael Varane has chosen to sign for Real Madrid, and will complete a €10m deal in August.
Bebe was also reported to be wanted by Real Madrid. They have beaten us for Benzema, we've beaten them for bebe.
Agents can do that. Make it seem like a lot of clubs are interested in their player.
Are you obsessed by Bebe?
Yepp I can't believe that such great talent had ended up with us.
On a serious note, there are alot of similarities between Varane and Bebe. Both players were hailed as promising kids and they ended up contested by two big clubs. My point here is simple, just because scouts say that a player is good or the next big thing that doesn't mean that he actually is. I remember a couple of years ago nearly all big clubs in Europe (Manchester United included) were throwing ridiculous sums of money to sign Freddy Adu. Where is he now?
Yep we should them all right.
Yeah I agree the scouts could be wrong but when exactly has an American lit up the world with his soccer skills?
We still don't know whether Bebe will make it or not. The comparison with Freddy Adu is actually ridiculous as we offered him a trial but he failed to impress. There are no similarities between Bebe and Varane. Varane has excelled in a relegated team at France's highest league whereas Bebe had only played in the lower leagues of Portugal. Varane already has more playing experience and is a serious talent with the likes of PSG, Manchester United, Real Madrid and even Arsenal going after him.
When exactly a Mexican or a South Korean player had lit up the EPL with his soccer skills? That really means nothing. Yeah there's a bigger chance that a Brazilian makes it at the highest level then lets say a South Korean. I mean they got the experience in developing kids, the culture and the right mentality to develop world class talent. However great players can develop from absolutely anywhere across the world. Northern Ireland is not a world beater but they did developed a winger capable to shame nearly all wingers of the big nations (Brazil and Spain included).
Varane give more guarantees then Bebe as he come through the academy ranks of a reputable club. However the buck stops there. Both players were young and they attracted the interest of big clubs at a very young age (Bebe was 20 but he's a late boomer). Young talent is highly volatile and dependent on various issues which include whether they will adapt at the new club, how many first team chances they will be given and their attitude. If you follow the Serie A as I do, you'll find that there had been at least 3 players (Panucci, Coco and Santon) highlighted by serious critics as the new Maldini. Two of them had retired, while the last one had been loaned away by Inter last season.
If I was Varane I would remain in France. He'll get more first team football there which will allow him to move elsewhere as a first teamer and not as an apprentice.
If he has signed for Real then he is an idiot quite frankly. I could accept him turning us down to move to PSG as in all probability he would have more playing time etc but not Real.
As an aside doesn't Zidane get embarassed by being such a gun for hire? He told Benzema to join and his career has gone downhill and he helped Qatar get the dodgiest World Cup ever.
As an aside doesn't Zidane get embarassed by being such a gun for hire? He told Benzema to join and his career has gone downhill and he helped Qatar get the dodgiest World Cup ever.
What happened there then? Didn't their chairmen say that they rejected both ours as well as Real Madrid's bid?
if he is joining real, then he is probably making a big mistake. not saying that he should had join us, but surely a club in france such as PSG should be his destination if he really thinks of playing regular football.
If he has chosen Real then he's a mug I'd say. I would understand him deciding on PSG because there he'd get regular football playing time in France, but he won't at Real.
Your memory is bad. We had the chance to sign Freddy Ady, we even had him on a trial. And then we decided he wasn't good enough.
Your argument here is basically "Bebe was a bad signing, Varane is like Bebe, therefore Varane is a bad signing", which fails on several levels. Or is your point "scouts aren't always right"? Because in that case you have a remarkable talent for stating the bleeding obvious.
To be fair, the worst thing he could do is joining us. Just about any club in the world is a better destination for a young CB now. Even Real Madrid.
Nothing wrong with him choosing Madrid over us. Madrid have fewer established defenders than us so he'll get more playing time with them. He'll probably be loaned out in his first year as well.
Not necessarily at all. What young players need is stability and a club with a proven record in trusting and developing young talent. Real simply don't have that and have been a poor move recently for lots of promising (and frankly more talented) players:
Canales
Gago
Robben
Sneijder
VdV
Benzema
And probably more I've forgotten
After all his I will take my exams and consider my options and decide on what is best for moi and the most important thing is for me to play regularly and develop, he seems to have come in his pants at seeing Zidane and abandoned all rational thought.
MirrorAnderson Raphael Varane snubs Man Utd and signs five-year deal with Real Madrid.
Well that's his career ruined then.
Well that's his career ruined then.
He could do a lot worse than signing for Real Madrid to be fair.
feckin 'hell.
Plus, he's closer to a first team place there than he would be here.
Great, that saved us a few quid. Now, let's buy a player that wants to play for us.
We (and the rest of Europe) were interested in Adu when he was 15. His mother refused to let him go to Europe so that he will able to finish his studies and the trail went cold. Years later whe gave him a trial and failed to impress.
My argument is that just because a kid is wanted by many clubs that does not mean that he will end up becoming a great player. Scouts can make mistakes a player may be lucky enough to play the best games of his entire career while scouts are watching him or his attitude/lack of chances/adaptability may ruin his career. OShea played his best football in his first year of his career. When last season I said that Smalling may well end up our third choice defender ahead of Evans I was laughed at.
David Platt was kicked out from Manchester United's youth academy and was given the advice to return to his studies since he will never make it as a footballer. RVN was a late developer while Hernandez considered quitting football because he failed in breaking into his local first team. That's the unpredictability of youth talent.
dunno, he'd get more games there than here probably
Perez and his Insanes and Varanes policy?
We've already got three potentially top class young central defenders and Vidic could hold onto his place for another 5 years or so. You can see why any young centre-half would think twice about signing for us.
This potential transfer never made any sense to me tbh.
This potential transfer never made any sense to me tbh.
Best post so far.
Very few people could understand the logic, hence the relative lack of attention this thread has received.
It could be different if he was an outstanding talent that gave us a please come and get me shout.
The muppets in here just wanted another signing.
Good thought if it wasn't for a few small details.
We don't know Rio's medical status. Maybe ha can go on playing for another couple of seasons but I think it's fair to suggest that if Smalling continue his progress the he's close to overtake Ferdinands place as a automatic starter. Is Ferdy5 willing to be a back up?
Do we know Evans thoughts about being a possible number five in pecking order as a CB. Maybe he will slot in as a back up for Evra but I don't think he's a natural left FB. If Sunderland or likewise come in with a good offer then it's easy to understand him if he will find it tempting to take that challenge.
Do we know Varane's or Jones preferred position. As far as I know both can play as a CB and a DMF.
I'm not saying that you are wrong but at the moment we don't know the whole picture and we are only one player away to need a replacement.
And just to clarify. I take it for granted that Brown will leave us this summer.
You make it sound as if we won't be able to buy another CB in the future.
What is wrong with people in here?
Why do you thing Sir Alex was interested in Varane?
He wants to field a team made up of only wingers and centre-backs?
I have no idea what SAF is thinking and neither do you.
You seem unsure about what you are thinking too. You posted previously that you thought it mature and sensible of him to be thinking of his playing time. Then you create an extremely hypothetical situation whereupon Rio is a crock and this lad might get to play a bit.
I think we all know this lad would have been a reserve team player until he proved himself ready for the first team. Probably eaxctly what he will be doing at Madrid.
What was clear to me is that he didn't want to come to Manchester United and therefore I say Bon Courage!
Snubbed again...
He must of been really good though if we were after him as we are already stacked in CB...
He must of been really good though if we were after him as we are already stacked in CB...
It made sense before we signed Jones but once that went through it always seemed unlikely to me we would sign Varane as well.
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Word on the street is that Arsenal put in a last minute bid for him but were too late to change his mind.
spot on, absolutly spot on
Id imagine we'd have made a proper bid if the Jones transfer didnt happen...
The lad must be an exceptional talent, worth bringing in even though we've an abundance of centre-backs. Its not the end of the World not getting him, but he must be a talent so its a little dissapointing.
Nice to read your thoughts.
I agree that you and I don't have a clue what SAF is thinking. But I also think that both of us has faith in his decisions. And for that reason I think that it was no coincidence that we made a bid for Varane. And as far as I know our interest in Jones was long term. Our initial thought was to buy him next season but when L'Pool was entering Blackpool we moved quickly to secure his signature. So by all logical reasons our interest in Varane was serious and did not depending on if we bought Jones or not.
I have no idea if Varane is ready to play in our first team. Both from a historical perspective United have no problems to slot in young players if they are good enough.
According to several trusty sources a lot of clubs were interested in Varana. His club stated that Real and us made a bid of approx €10m. It's also reported that PSG was ready to make a similar bid and that Wenger was lurking around.
That tells me something. Not that this guy is world class but that he clearly has talent enough to attract interest from some of the big guns. That's not bad for a 18 year old young man.
Maybe he will end up playing for Real Madrid. I don't think it will be wise but I understand that it's difficult for a French player to resist such an offer.
And to end my long rant I'm a little bit disappointed that we didn't get him. Looks like a real talent to me but who am I to know such things.