Refuse to get hyped up about this until he's signed for us, scores a last minute header to win at Anfield and runs over to the kop and kisses the United bage.
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Refuse to get hyped up about this until he's signed for us, scores a last minute header to win at Anfield and runs over to the kop and kisses the United bage.
That's where you're wrong IMO.
Having somebody with speed and strength allows the rest of the team to press higher and more aggressively, with little worry that if they miss the team will be easily countered.
Look how Liverpools play transformed with VVD in the side. It wasn't his passing that allowed Liverpool to become a pack of rabid wolves, it was his physical speed and size wiping out every long ball.
We pressed better with Bailly in the side, but Varane is like a mixture or Lindelof and Bailly's best attributes together.
The team will be able to concentrate on pressing effectively and not worry about balls over the top as he 'should' gobble them up.
Varane is a good enough passer to not notice any differences.
And Maguire is an excellent progressive carrier as well, and with Varane's pace he can do it more with less risk.
Yep, he's just the perfect CB for what we need. If we really can get this over the line it'll be even more important than Sancho IMO.
I'm still expecting us to get burnt somehow though.
That would be quite a scene to see him do that! Reminds of the game when Gary did the same too was a great reaction to a great game.
This is exactly how I feel about it.
Potentially more important than Sancho.
Can't allow myself to believe it.
After watching him at the Euros, all I can say is meh.
Pace? I seen him getting sprinted past several times.
Pace? I seen him getting sprinted past several times.
Sorry, pedantic Pete here.
Gary did that at Old Trafford in 2006 when Ferdinand had just headed the only goal in injury time. Gary hadn’t just scored and it wasn’t in front of the Kop.
Otherwise it’s the exact same.
It happened once and that was Breel Embolo who's one of the quickest/strongest players in football.
He held him up and defended it in the end though didn't he?
Nobody is saying he'll never get ran passed once, but he'll do a better job than Lindelof in that situation.
Haha thanks for pointing that out got my wires crossed!
I don't think we are lacking much in that department, anyways Lindelof isn't a great passer either. Maguire on the other hand is underrated a lot in this respect.
While on the flip side, I thought he played rather well this tournament
Football eh?
I'd be happy enough with this. But not too happy.
France were shit at dealing with crosses yesterday. And United are shit at dealing with set pieces themselves. I'm not convinced it's the best fit.
Yes, Varane fills in some of the gaps. But he wouldn't be the final piece in the jigsaw the way VVD was at Liverpool.
France were shit at dealing with crosses yesterday. And United are shit at dealing with set pieces themselves. I'm not convinced it's the best fit.
Yes, Varane fills in some of the gaps. But he wouldn't be the final piece in the jigsaw the way VVD was at Liverpool.
I think if we can sign Varane he'll make sure our defence so much better but I still think he'll end up signing a new deal at Madrid.
He's taller and quicker than Lindelof which is what everyone wants, an upgrade, does he have faults i expect so but one step at a time, he'll make us better.
Oh and he should make us better at set pieces as we concede alot from that.
He's taller and quicker than Lindelof which is what everyone wants, an upgrade, does he have faults i expect so but one step at a time, he'll make us better.
Oh and he should make us better at set pieces as we concede alot from that.
I'm not sure but how many quicker defenders out there than Varane can we realistically buy? He's not the quickest now but he ain't a slouch either. Laporte and Dias who are quite complete defenders ain't the quickest around too
I agree that, at least theoretically, we would be able to press higher up. But PL is full of teams who press and in matches where we are pressed, it is good to have progressive players.
I did not see any improvement in that area when Bailly played. I would say Varane is more similar in style to Lindelof, than Bailly. Bailly like to attack and get in to duels. Lindelof does not do that and Varane even less than Lindelof. Instead they protect the space behind.
I have seen the comparison with VVD many times. I’m not sure why his success guarantees a similar success from Varane? I strongly believe he would be an upgrade but not 100% he will be a game changer.
Do you think Maguire’s ball carrying have involved big risks this season?
I think that’s where the outgoings come into things. We typically tend to have a net window of around £100m+-ish when the managers are backed. £77m on Sancho and £40-50m on Varane is around that mark.
We have a few players to sell — Lingard, Dalot, Pereira, and possibly Matic; should raise enough to offset the Varane transfer. Wishful thinking to get all 4 of the books perhaps, but I’d be relatively confident we can get it done for at least the first 3.
Yep and add James to the list we should easily get £50m combined.
Pogba's future will decide how much we spend on a new midfielder.
Don't you dare do this to me again.
Sancho, Varane and maybe a DM all in one window?
Sancho, Varane and maybe a DM all in one window?
Are we in Cocks out mode yet. This is all I need to know. That and if Pexbo is top five poster in here yet.
I’ll check that now
Check complete. Affirmative.
I am all aboard this train.Still nursing but optimisic, the calm before the strum
Never judge a player on a major tournament. But then his form for Real hasn't been fantastic either...
Same here. One of France's best players.
There's no doubt he's declined a bit, but the reasons for that might well be fixable as they seem to be mental issues over physical. He's not as fast as he used to be either, but he's still easily one of the best centre-backs in the world.
The tactical and formation flexibility he'd provide is also invaluable.
We're not after the second coming of Nesta or Baresi, and relative to what's out there, he's the kind of signing you wouldn't even put on the prospective list under normal circumstances.
Yeah I'm with you.
Plus, there don't seem to be tons of convincing alternatives out there. Looks like Ben White is going to Arsenal for ~£50m... I am not sure that happens if there are more options in the market.
He's just doing what everyone does. When you're a good asset/worker but you see other people around you receive a higher compensation, you ask for more. They come back to you and say it's not really possible because you don't have leverage. They need you but they're trying to game you as well because they don't NEED to pay you more. So you start looking elsewhere and you find something with better conditions. All of a sudden, they find out and man the panic stations and offer you a new deal.
You originally did not really want to leave but they didn't value you fairly. But now they're panicking and offering you more. However, the whope wheeling and dealing has soured you on the company and opened your eyes on how much they really 'value' you. So you start thinking, hmmm, maybe it's really time to go elsewhere because they didn't show that they were willing to match you until you became aggressive. Not being pro-active shows a lack of appreciation but they're offering what you wanted now, so what to do?
You originally did not really want to leave but they didn't value you fairly. But now they're panicking and offering you more. However, the whope wheeling and dealing has soured you on the company and opened your eyes on how much they really 'value' you. So you start thinking, hmmm, maybe it's really time to go elsewhere because they didn't show that they were willing to match you until you became aggressive. Not being pro-active shows a lack of appreciation but they're offering what you wanted now, so what to do?
Some of you lads must have been watching a different match than i was yesterday against the Suisse to say Varane was poor.
You can't judge the first half as that clusterfck was all on Deschamps for playing them in a back 3 with Lenglet in the middle which was a shocking choice.
Varane was very good overall. Did he make a mistake here or there, of course he did, you can't expect him to be perfect. i saw mention of blame for being outjumped by Seferevin for the second goal but that was actually on Kimpembe for being out of position. Varane was marking the second striker when the ball was put in the box. Kimpembe misjudged the ball and went forward to the near post which opened up space between him and Varane for Seferevin to make that run.
Just look at the number of times Varane was in 1v1 positions and successfully defended? i'd say 8 out 10 he was solid. He got booked for diving in and another time he got beat off the dribble.
The guy is a quality and mature defender and we will be fortunate to have him alongside Maguire instead of the Iceman.
You can't judge the first half as that clusterfck was all on Deschamps for playing them in a back 3 with Lenglet in the middle which was a shocking choice.
Varane was very good overall. Did he make a mistake here or there, of course he did, you can't expect him to be perfect. i saw mention of blame for being outjumped by Seferevin for the second goal but that was actually on Kimpembe for being out of position. Varane was marking the second striker when the ball was put in the box. Kimpembe misjudged the ball and went forward to the near post which opened up space between him and Varane for Seferevin to make that run.
Just look at the number of times Varane was in 1v1 positions and successfully defended? i'd say 8 out 10 he was solid. He got booked for diving in and another time he got beat off the dribble.
The guy is a quality and mature defender and we will be fortunate to have him alongside Maguire instead of the Iceman.
It was a one man backline at times with him having to cover up for Lenglet and Kimpembe's deficiencies so often so I felt he had a strong match overall amidst a side and set up that was dreadful defensively.
He was their stand out defender by some margin.
The thought of pairing him with Maguire is still as appealing as ever to me, truly believe it'd be one of the 3 most formidable CB partnerships in the league
He was their stand out defender by some margin.
The thought of pairing him with Maguire is still as appealing as ever to me, truly believe it'd be one of the 3 most formidable CB partnerships in the league
You and I have been watching the same tournament. He was a 1 man defence because his defensive teammates were absoulte shit hut it hasn't been called out.
Us getting Varane is unbelievable to the point the majority are trying not to get sucked into the belief stage (and I'm one of them) - we'd normally be looking at hopes and prospects not finished articles with the kind of pedigree Varane has. What's also great about Varane is, with his club and country, he's been under more scrutiny and pressure than even we can administrator, which is not something we can generally ever say about players that come here.
He might take a little time to adjust to the league, but pretty much we 'know' this player, warts and all, because of his profile, which, again, is a complete rarity in those we normally get through the doors.
He's got a mistake in him, but that's levelled out with bundles and bundles of quality. On an open market, he's still a top 5 pick, wouldn't you say?
I don't want to feel disappointed if we don't get him so I'll just say, probably past his best.
Varane would be an incredible signing, but I just can't get my hopes up yet. We rarely get signings like this through the door.
Who was worse yesterday? Varane or Pau Torres?
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