In the 'preparing a bid stage' apparently
Raphael Varane | Signed for United!
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Donny could be used as a loan option to help move this deal along. However, i don't see that happening unless Ole brings in another CM.
What tier are these mofos?
This has fizzled out. Expecting news of a contract renewal any day now.
that's gone right over everyone's heads. How does it feel to be a misunderstood genius?
Yep, feeling like another using MUFC to raise salary situation
When did I ever say that a CB, fullback or forward couldn't make plays???
A playmaker isn't just a player that makes plays, every player on the field is involved in making plays to some degree like you yourself just said. If that were all it meant the term would have no value at all and no-one would use it. A playmaker in a team initiates attacks with his passing to a much greater degree than most if not all others in the team. This conversation started with you claiming that VDB could go to real madrid and be the playmaker for them behind the real madrid forwards, ''That's what he can be, an attacking playmaker behind the Real Madrid forwards.'' Which of course he can't because he doesn't have the skillset or playing style for that, he would be certain to fail in that role just like he has at united.
When I pointed that out you seemed to agree with my point about VDB because you responded by saying, ''You don't need to be a playmaker to play just off the striker. Different coaches have differing definitions on what they expect in such a role.'' I agree with that comment completely, however it's a bizarre response to give since you were the one who initially said that he could go to real madrid and be a playmaker behind the forwards.
When I pointed out this inconsistency in your comments you went back to claiming that he could in fact be the playmaker at real madrid after all. ''He could be the playmaker, because making plays isn't just about passing the ball long. Madrid have Kroos and Modric who will provide the craft and guile from midfield. VdB in tandem with the aforementioned players will provide the movement, ball retention and one touch passing ability which could work very well for them.'' You could have made the above comment immediately after I said he wasn't suited to a playmaker role, but instead you said its ok because he doesn't have to play as a playmaker, appearing to agree with my point.
You should be able to recognise the confusion caused by your inconsistent comments at this point. Maybe english is not your first language and this is a language barrier thing, if that's the case i'll just forget about it and move one.
To avoid taking this thread further off topic, I'll just say that you two are disagreeing whilst talking about slightly different things. If we can just end it there and move on, this would prevent this thread from going the way of the Camavinga one.When did I ever say that a CB, fullback or forward couldn't make plays???
This conversation started with you claiming that VDB could go to real madrid and be the playmaker for them behind the real madrid forwards, ''That's what he can be, an attacking playmaker behind the Real Madrid forwards.'' Which of course he can't because he doesn't have the skillset or playing style for that, he would be certain to fail in that role just like he has at united.
When I pointed that out you seemed to agree with my point about VDB because you responded by saying, ''You don't need to be a playmaker to play just off the striker. Different coaches have differing definitions on what they expect in such a role.'' I agree with that comment completely, however it's a bizarre response to give since you were the one who initially said that he could go to real madrid and be a playmaker behind the forwards.
When I pointed out this inconsistency in your comments you went back to claiming that he could in fact be the playmaker at real madrid after all. ''He could be the playmaker, because making plays isn't just about passing the ball long. Madrid have Kroos and Modric who will provide the craft and guile from midfield. VdB in tandem with the aforementioned players will provide the movement, ball retention and one touch passing ability which could work very well for them.'' You could have made the above comment immediately after I said he wasn't suited to a playmaker role, but instead you said its ok because he doesn't have to play as a playmaker, appearing to agree with my point.
You should be able to recognise the confusion caused by your inconsistent comments at this point. Maybe english is not your first language and this is a language barrier thing, if that's the case i'll just forget about it and move one.
i just hope this doesn't turn into a saga that lasts all month just for him to resign with Madrid
Probably a week or two at least before this gets resolved I'd say. Big weeks ahead.
Real should just take what ever we offer otherwise they’ll lose Varane for nothing if he’s serious about leaving. I just hope he’s not using us to get a better deal. We need players that want to play for us and help us win trophies!
There's no confusion here on my part. You quite clearly said the following - "The playmaker is the main passer in the team" And that's where I have a issue with your statement regarding the role and the players Real Madrid have at their disposal. Players like Modric and Kroos by default become the 'main passers' in the team due to their greater influence from the first phase of the build-up, all the way through to the attack. I'm also not sure why you've written a essay, when all I said was VdB can provide Ancelotti tactical versatility in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 with Madrid's 'main passers' and playmakers being their CMs who have far greater influence in multiple defensive and attacking zones.When did I ever say that a CB, fullback or forward couldn't make plays???
This conversation started with you claiming that VDB could go to real madrid and be the playmaker for them behind the real madrid forwards, ''That's what he can be, an attacking playmaker behind the Real Madrid forwards.'' Which of course he can't because he doesn't have the skillset or playing style for that, he would be certain to fail in that role just like he has at united.
When I pointed that out you seemed to agree with my point about VDB because you responded by saying, ''You don't need to be a playmaker to play just off the striker. Different coaches have differing definitions on what they expect in such a role.'' I agree with that comment completely, however it's a bizarre response to give since you were the one who initially said that he could go to real madrid and be a playmaker behind the forwards.
When I pointed out this inconsistency in your comments you went back to claiming that he could in fact be the playmaker at real madrid after all. ''He could be the playmaker, because making plays isn't just about passing the ball long. Madrid have Kroos and Modric who will provide the craft and guile from midfield. VdB in tandem with the aforementioned players will provide the movement, ball retention and one touch passing ability which could work very well for them.'' You could have made the above comment immediately after I said he wasn't suited to a playmaker role, but instead you said its ok because he doesn't have to play as a playmaker, appearing to agree with my point.
You should be able to recognise the confusion caused by your inconsistent comments at this point. Maybe english is not your first language and this is a language barrier thing, if that's the case i'll just forget about it and move one.
Sorry for contributing to derailing the thread @mazhar13
I think that’s ambitious. United have more patience with the best players.
I think it will take until at least August 1st before we know one way or another if he’ll be staying or leaving.
If he resigns from Madrid we can get him surely.
You're quite optimistic. Unfortunately, I can't share your sentiments. As long as Varane remains this indecisive, I always fear him not choosing to join us.
Why can't United gives Varane a deadline to make decision, instead of us being passive?
Being played like this by a player doesn't make sense if we considered ourselves as "big Club".
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Many rumours… but one I’ve seen a lot recently is that he got a proposal from RM that would correspond to £200-210 k/week. However this is supposed to be considered too low compared to Alaba’s 350-400/week. But all rumours.
I hope we have done that already!
Madrid is also a “big Club”, and he’s a long-term starter. These things are not always straightforward, even if in his heart he’d prefer to go to Manchester.
I already agreed with you in a previous post of mine that Modric and Kroos are the playmakers of the madrid team. There is no disagreement on this point so i'm not sure why you think there is. My disagreement is with your claim that VDB can also perform as a playmaker for real madrid. Kroos and Modric can perform as playmakers because they have the skillset and playing style that is required, VDB doesn't so he can't. They can try to play him as one, but it will fail because he's not suited to the role at all.
No, that's not all you said.
You said VDB could be the playmaker in the real madrid team. Not just that he could be a supplementary player in the system, you said he could be ''the playmaker''.
Yes, he could make plays in the Real Madrid team hence can be a playmaker. But that doesn't mean he's the main playmaker in the team like I've pointed out.
Has this fraud made his mind up yet 
Fraud he'll be a mercenary by the end of the week.
he'll be a mercenary by the end of the week.Bang on. Make your mind up we have a fecking season to prepare for, don't have time for your games.
Don't like the silence, come on media get some news
Can’t make his mind up. In other words he wants to stay at Madrid and if they don’t pay up he’ll consider moving to a club that will. We’re clearly not his first choice here and the club needs to stop moving for such players.
I hope so, too. I don't mind players choosing us because of money, as that's common in professional world. But, don't waste our time playing games.
It seems like Varane is the one that waiting for Madrid's decision, not the other way around. Or at least, they're in equal level of need.
United act like Varane and Madrid's bitch. Big difference.
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Why would it be the other way around when Madrid don't need to sell him. Are you thick?
I agree absolutely.
But we don’t really know what’s going on. Varane will be in Greece or Thailand shagging his wife while all these stories are coming out about his preferences.
If United retain an interest, I have to trust that they know something that we and the media do not.
Has he signed a massively enhanced contract for Madrid yet?
Please be polite.
'Tis frustrating, but just to recognised once is enough for me
I would give it as long as needed to think things over..
As mentioned before, Varane is in Barbados for roughly 8-9 more days. He’s not coming back for a medical, so don’t expect any news in that time outside of someone either a) trying to get clicks b) sensationalizing or c) slightly giving updates as back room negotiations go on.
If I was coming off the past two years of football with no real break, I would head to the islands and say piss off to my phone and the world. Don’t get stressed over the lack of news. Man is on vacation and is likely going to use the time to make his decision. Highly doubt he’s sitting there thinking about this every day on his vacation like we are
If I was coming off the past two years of football with no real break, I would head to the islands and say piss off to my phone and the world. Don’t get stressed over the lack of news. Man is on vacation and is likely going to use the time to make his decision. Highly doubt he’s sitting there thinking about this every day on his vacation like we are
All well and good but the fact of the matter is that us Muppets need an answer right NOW!!
soon, then we will be treated the "well we tried" narrative we love each year
Who are "we"?
I think we can all assume that they have. If mere mortals like ourselves here can thinking of it, guys paid millions of quid would have thought about it at some point. The other one is that we assumed that we never tried to re-sign Pogba when his contract had 2 years left.
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