Obvious issues with the manager
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He's obviously fallen out with the manager, and has been the case for a few weeks.
That's him and Sancho out of the reckoning, and some decidedly mediocre players in their place because they're "committed". Makes you think about the manager.
That's him and Sancho out of the reckoning, and some decidedly mediocre players in their place because they're "committed". Makes you think about the manager.
Reports are Ten Hag and Varane fell out after the City game. You've got to ask how the manager is managing to keep falling out with players at an alarming rate
Varane is a problem regardless of Ten Hag though. As good as he is at his best, he's also an aging, injury prone player on massive wages. And he's not great on the ball. The smart move would be to ship him out and replace him with a younger CB.
So it's clear now that the 'tactical' reasons excuse was bullshit.
It's a shame, he's our best defender and now we won't be seeing him play for us again.
It's a shame, he's our best defender and now we won't be seeing him play for us again.
Are you suggesting Sancho has been less mediocre than anyone else playing in his position? He’s easily one of the worst signings we’ve ever made.
As for Varane, if he was getting played, you’d be on here complaining about how the manager has no balls to drop names even though they’re not performing. He has had a very average season interrupted with injuries so far and if he really is looking to go to the Saudi League, he has no place in the starting lineup.
I’m not pro ten Hag at all, in fact I thought he’d be sacked by now but this isn’t the stick to beat him with
Another one on Eth's list. And it is strange that ETH has issues with players who he praised all the time as a true leader and shit.
Ten Hag doesn't rate his ball playing ability so that's probably what they've fallen out over. He's not great at it but he's our best defender so it doesn't make sense to fall out with him because he can't play the ball forward well.
Im not sure, Varane I think can only play RCB. Ten Hag wants Maguire at RCB despite what Maguire wants. Lindelof has played LCB quite a bit. So I think that's the logic behind it, maybe compounded by a fall out.
Varane the other day costing us a goal with that certainly doesn't do Varane any favours.
Really like Varane and think he was our best CB last season, but very poor this season and think has lost a yard.
I'm not even a big fan of Varane and I think he's been a fairly meh signing, but he's our best defender while Martinez is out and it doesn't make sense to just fall out with him because he can't play the ball out well enough, especially when your backup is Maguire, Lindelöf and Evans. I have no problems with him being sold but maybe try and make it work with him until the summer? I don't see how falling out with our only decent defender in November is conducive to winning football games.
He's never shown an elite level whilst he's been here, I think United fans need to wake up and realise he's not been good enough. Martinez was better than him, and he isn't a world class player.
Evans and Maguire starting over Varane in 2023. Unbelievable. It is like starting Sorloth over Haaland because Sorloth is "better in the air". ETH is losing a plot.
We don't know if/why they've fallen out. Like I said I am a huge fan of Varane but who knows what's going on. I do think there could be a genuine footballing reason behind it.
Last year he was excellent. With both Lisandro and Lindelof.
Might be wrong but didn't he imply that he just doesn't rate Varane on the left side of defence because of passing options?
On a side note, didn't Maguire used to play the left centre back role for us when Ole was manager or am i not remembering that right? Or was it Lindelof? At any rate some managers are very particular about this.
I still think it's probably more of an argument that's happened behind the scenes judging by his 'performance' on Wednesday.
Yes but Ten Hag has always been reluctant to move Maguire back
Maybe because they question his authority? I would feck off the lot of them because of that. No matter what they think of his coaching ability, what he says goes, if someone doesn't like it, they can feck off out of the club.
I wouldn't say excellent. He had excellent periods, but also poor/average periods, in amongst also missing a lot of games through injury. Overall he was no better than 'good' last season, even ignoring the injuries.
So you'd run the club like a school from the 1950's? You're allowed to disagree or ask questions regarding feedback you've received or the tasks you've been asked to perform. The result in doing that shouldn't be "get the feck out then". The manager also has a responsibility to listen to the feedback he's receiving from his players.I doubt he is falling out because of regular "feedback". He probably thinks he is above them all because of all his Real Madrid trophies and should be guaranteed first team spot.
Yes well Antony for one. Sancho has had spells where he's been a very good player, I think he's the sort of player who makes others better too even when he's not scoring/assisting unlike Antony who is selfish and takes a lot of unnecessary shots. He's been disappointing overall no doubt, but there's a player in there which you can't say about some other players.
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Varane has been poor his last few game. Basically he was really bad against Galatasaray, missed Brentford due to injury, came off the bench against Crystal Palace, was average against Copenhagen, then was left on the bench against City (which is what the rumours say he got upset about). Missed the Newcastle game (supposedly due to illness), came on at the end against Fulham, then was shit against Copenhagen.
Behind Evans, Maguire, Lindelof and assumably Martinez now. Not sure how you fall out with a guy like Varane but I imagine he leaves in January.
Erik is probably just pissed with how often Varane is injured. You can't plan with a player like that. Clear the likes of him and Casemiro off and rebuild. Properly.
Another crock. Needs shipping out ASAP. The retirement home is shutting up shop!
Tried saying in summer we needed to replace him with Kim Min-jae but got told otherwise.
So did EtH.
Another clean sheet without him. Not missed.
So a single season is now years is it?
Ego.
Yeah just ship off £100m worth of talent and pay what another £150-200m to replace them. No worries, United have unlimited transfer funds. It's not like we're struggling with FFP or anything.
Sancho, now Varane. Who else?
He did, indeed I think Maguire has played way more games for us at LCB than RCB and of course that's where he plays for England as well
Do you make up a scenario in your head then get angry about?
He's been injured for the most part of this season. Whenever he plays he doesn't exactly look like 4UCL winner either. He played last match against Copehagen and gifted them goal
He's been injured for the most part of this season. Whenever he plays he doesn't exactly look like 4UCL winner either. He played last match against Copehagen and gifted them goal
Fairly certain that both will rightly be replaced in the summer.
Everyone will ignore his horrible form and suggest it's all the managers fault for reasons.
EtT: We need a new CB with pace, agility and ability to play from the back.
Board: Maybe. But are close to the limits of P&S/FFP and have two CBs with a annual cost of £25-30m each. That is waaaaay more than any other club in the PL. We can not invest further without getting rid of one of those two.
A player like Todibo would likely cost £15 mill a year (depreciation and salary). You could almost get two Todibo for one of Maguire or Varane. And neither has the agility or ball playing ability a manager like EtH would prefer.
Varane do not have the ability we need in a CB and he is constantly injured. He needs to get rid of one of them. Preferably both. Furthermore, Varane could probably be attractive to Saudi. Trying to force him out is the rational move. I am sure Ferguson would have done the same.
Perhaps but that's what I'm worried about. We haven't even completed the current rebuild and it looks like we'll be embarking upon another one in the near future. Not least because the manager it seems keeps falling out with players.
Going into this season we still needed a top RB, a top CB and another striker. Now we might need to replace all of Sancho, Varane and Casemiro on top of that.
Don't know about you but I don't see United spending £350-500m in one window.
As I posted before in this thread maybe. He most likely plays Evans because he's a talker and organiser, Varane isn't, Maguire isn't, Lindelof isn't. So he's plays Maguire and Evans because they are familiar with each other.
Evans is still the best defender of the 3.
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