Rangnick - "Apart from goalkeeping we need to improve all areas of our squad" | Muppets amass

amolbhatia50k said:
If there was ever a game to park the bus this was it. Players like Dalot and Maguire are not going to avoid gifting goals in the form this team is in against Liverpool. Such a bad goal to concede and set the tone.
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Sounded like that was the plan.

Yeah, it was a hard 90 mins to endure.
 
tenpoless said:
He should be and it makes sense. He won't be the manager for next season and changes are imminent, if there's one person to shake the players it's him. You would think for someone with a firm for consultancy job, he's not that much of an idiot to pick a fight with almost all the players if he's not specifically instructed or allowed to do so in order to make the next manager's job (and his next job) easier. It has to be done.
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Aye, it's not a massive leap of faith to assume he's not gone rogue.
 
groovyalbert said:
All this talk about shipping out and in, but it's hardly new and the major hurdle will always remain - the players we want gone are genuinely fecking shite and as close to unsellable as players can get. Look at how our loaned players are doing, how the feck do you begin to sell Martial? Who on earth would be mad enough to even think about matching Maguire's wages?

With the exception of those whose contracts are up, expect the squad rot to remain. We would be better off building from absolute scratch than off the back of what we currently have.
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The reality might actually scare them off that they start performing. It happens in corporations. Lazy ungrateful bastards start putting in the efforts when they're about to get fired. So far we've tried protecting their value (by extension, Ole bigging them up etc) and it still goes down and they still struggle to find a buyer.
 
groovyalbert said:
All this talk about shipping out and in, but it's hardly new and the major hurdle will always remain - the players we want gone are genuinely fecking shite and as close to unsellable as players can get. Look at how our loaned players are doing, how the feck do you begin to sell Martial? Who on earth would be mad enough to even think about matching Maguire's wages?

With the exception of those whose contracts are up, expect the squad rot to remain. We would be better off building from absolute scratch than off the back of what we currently have.
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Why don't we just stop playing for a couple of years? It'll clear all the contracts. We'll keep old trafford entertained, by putting a weekly show of Ten Hag doing managerial things - signing papers, walking around & other stuff on fan demand - our version of onlyfans (onlymans).

Then we come back in 3 years time when all the contracts have expired fresh and cleared out.
 
Judge Red said:
It’s been argued that we need to improve the goalkeeping as well. De Gea has returned to his shot-stopping best but fallen behind the world’s best goal keepers in other areas.
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He is at most behind Ederson and Becker.

His shot-stopping has been phenomenal though. Ronaldo and De Gea keeping us from utter embarrassment and a relegation battle!
 
Leftback99 said:
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Said the same thing in the thread about the rumours of him signing a née contract, it's just daft! We had him tied down until he was 31 (almost 32) - we just decided to give him a payrise whilst we're at the lowest point as a club for decades.

Would it have made him sulk and unhappy? If yes then simply sell him, no point keeping players here if they only play for the money, that's a sure fire way to get regular performances like tonight, where they genuinely couldn't give a feck and find it easier to say sorry to the press after the fact rather than fighting on the pitch.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
If there was ever a game to park the bus this was it. Players like Dalot and Maguire are not going to avoid gifting goals in the form this team is in against Liverpool. Such a bad goal to concede and set the tone.
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We started the game with a 541 and not pressing past the half way line for a lot of the first half. Parking the bus was probably the plan. We were just shit. If one defender pushed forward 2 others stepped back. You'd have Matic run past 3 teammates to press one of the defenders and all sorts of nonsense. Maguire seemed to be desperate to avoid touching the ball for most the game. You couldn't go 60 seconds of the match without multiple players doing inexplicably stupid things. We were lucky it was only 4-0.
 
I don't the he means every position, but rather defence, midfield and attack.

I don't like him as a manager, think he could have performed better. In truth he has clearly not meshed with the squad.

However, he is absolutely right in this regard. 3 year rebuilds are nonsense. Teams can change in quality over night. Serie A in the 90s and 2000s were a clear reflection of how simply adding a few players or losing a few players could change the entire narrative surrounding a club. Inter was always behind because they always made rubbish decisions. Whilst Milan could go from being non competitors to winning the Champions League just by getting Pirlo and Seedorf in the exchange with Inter.

A club like ours shouldn't have such scarcities in midfield, attack and at full back. This doesn't mean we should spend on 10 players this window, but it does mean that we need to ensure that the majority of players currently in the squad are no longer here in 2 years. It also means that these players need to be replaced with players that have shown enough quality to demand the attention of Man Utd. These players don't have to be expensive and should not take up a huge part our transfer budget like Pogba and Maguire did. We can't afford to sign players that have limited first team exposure when we sign them like Martial or Amad. We need consistent quality.

In my opinion, below is a list of players that actually have the quality to play in any capacity at United currently. This does not mean they should start, but they are at least the quality a United player should have:

De Gea, Maguire, Shaw, Pogba, Ronaldo, sancho, Fred, Bruno, Varane, Wan Bissaka, Cristiano Ronaldo and Rashford.

De Gea Varane Shaw Bruno Pogba Sancho and Ronaldo are the only players who have the quality to start for United in terms of talent.

Neither Pogba or Ronaldo are going to be here next season. Rashford has a lot to prove as well as I'm only including him based on hope that he will return to a form of what he was 2 years ago. Even then, I have never felt he had the quality to consistently start for United. At best, being in the mould of Kalou, Duff and Cole, where he rotates with other wingers .

The irony with our squad is that the individuals I picked as having the quality to start in our team are also the only players of age ( Matic and Mata are semi-retired) who were actually bought based on their consistent performances at other clubs. Out of the 30+ players we have in our squad, only 7 of them were brought into the squad using the criteria we should always use to sign players....showing consistent quality in performance. That says a lot. Most good teams have at least 14 or 15. What's outstanding is that if reviewed, it can be claimed that outside of Di Maria and Pogba, most of our flops should have been expected.
 
Its good to hear him state what most fans have been saying for a while now. Whether or not the board actually listen, or trying and bring in another big name player to appease fans in the short term, is what actually matters.

We really are at a bit of a cross road right now, with our next manager appointment and signings likely to indicate if we have learnt, or just going to repeat the last three years with the same mistakes.
 
Leftback99 said:
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As much as many people were like yaay / well deserved / best thing to happen since SAF, im not why we extended his contact. When the team is playing this poorly surely you only extend a contract where you have to? And everyone is on close watch/judgement? We just give off stupid vibes - you're playing like shit but here's a nice contract extension! You're not playing but well give you another three years!.

Hoping this is not a sign of the new Murtaugh era.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
As much as many people were like yaay / well deserved / best thing to happen since SAF, im not why we extended his contact. When the team is playing this poorly surely you only extend a contract where you have to? And everyone is on close watch/judgement? We just give off stupid vibes - you're playing like shit but here's a nice contract extension! You're not playing but well give you another three years!.

Hoping this is not a sign of the new Murtaugh era.
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We essentially outbid ourselves in every contract situation. I wonder if Matt Judge is still around.
 
The Mitcher said:
He keeps picking him though. Shaw may not be having the best of seasons, but he's miles better than Dalot at his worse.
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You know Shaw has just had pins removed from his leg and will be out for the rest of the season? It's really fecking easy to say "why is he picking them?" then you realise there is literally no one else left to pick unless you want Telles back out there defending with reckless abandon.
 
In Rainbows said:
We essentially outbid ourselves in every contract situation. I wonder if Matt Judge is still around.
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You gotta wonder if some shady financial stuff is going on. Give out big contracts, take a small % , everyone is happy except the fans.
 
He’s right but will anyone listen, remember Ole calling out players implying there would be a big clear out after we lost 4-0 to Everton. 3 years ago. 9 of that starting 11 are still here.

There is a reason he will be a Consultant, can pick his brains for anything useful but then ignore what don’t like sound of and saying need 10 new players is definitely the latter.
 
acnumber9 said:
I’m over it thanks. What I’m not over is the blind love Rangnick gets for doing a shit job and mouthing off constantly about how shit we are.
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What the feck. So you think these shower of shite players are good enough? Fans like you are the problem.
 
acnumber9 said:
Jesus Christ. Put aside your Redditesque first line, explain to me how telling the world everybody you work with is shit is incredibly positive?
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How is mummy coddling and pandering to these players any help? You have a crap mindset if you think people shouldn't handle public criticism
 
Judge Red said:
It’s been argued that we need to improve the goalkeeping as well. De Gea has returned to his shot-stopping best but fallen behind the world’s best goal keepers in other areas.
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agreed. doesn't dominate his six yard box let alone area, isn't brave enough and I'm afraid he's not good enough with his feet and sweeping: goalkeeping has moved on dramatically in the past 5-6 years and he hasn't kept up. The gap between him and top, top keepers is now almost the same as between Peter S and Bosnich in this area. He has also lost the art of keeping clean sheets
 
Just listened to his most match analysis, very honest and damning of these players, he pretty much admits they don’t try. The board has to listen, surely they can see these players aren’t good enough? Time to start making ourselves heard at OT
 
ForeverRed1 said:
Just listened to his most match analysis, very honest and damning of these players, he pretty much admits they don’t try. The board has to listen, surely they can see these players aren’t good enough?
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That's what you want from manager, really! Have the team performing horribly every game and then tell the fans and public how the team and club are shit in between games. So refreshing!
 
Hansi Fick said:
That's what you want from manager, really! Have the team performing horribly every game and then tell the fans how the team and club is shit in between games. So refreshing!
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I don’t actually place the blame on him. These players have been toxic way before him. It isn’t tactics that constantly lose us games it’s lack of effort and trying which should never ever be allowed. Klopp finished 8th in his first season in the PL because of the team he inherited, not because he isn’t a good manager. Ralf is working with his hands behind his back but he’s getting a front view seat of this squad and the mentality.

he needs to be honest and they need to listen. We need pretty much a whole new team. This team his the worst bunch we have had.
 
The Mitcher said:
He keeps picking him though. Shaw may not be having the best of seasons, but he's miles better than Dalot at his worse.
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At some point or another every player in the squad has started, and been shit. But still it doesn't stop people like you coming out with things like "why didn't X start instead of Y" as if that alone would change the entire fortunes of the club.

Our squad is trash, they don't care, they have no pride, they don't want to be here. If you think Rangnick can wave a magic wand and change that, you're living in cloud cuckoo land. He'll be gone soon anyway so it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of him as a manager. But the best thing we can take from his time here is to listen to what the man is saying and trust his damning assessment of this group of players. It should at least unite the entire fan base to support Ten Hag and allow him time to rebuild.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
At some point or another every player in the squad has started, and been shit. But still it doesn't stop people like you coming out with things like "why didn't X start instead of Y" as if that alone would change the entire fortunes of the club.

Our squad is trash, they don't care, they have no pride, they don't want to be here. If you think Rangnick can wave a magic wand and change that, you're living in cloud cuckoo land. He'll be gone soon anyway so it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of him as a manager. But the best thing we can take from his time here is to listen to what the man is saying and trust his damning assessment of this group of players. It should at least unite the entire fan base to support Ten Hag and allow him time to rebuild.
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Funnily enough, Fred and McT are among the rare players who play with intensity and pride. We know they're not good as a pair but I can never fault them tbh when everything is considered
 
MUFC OK said:
Worst manager in Manchester United’s history..
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That would be Ole by a long margin, he brought us to the point the the whole team is completely and utterly useless and that has been obvious for anyone with the pair of eyes on them since the day 1. Ffs he lost 5-0 to Liverpool at OT with the full strength team, today we were missing the whole midfield, Shaw, and Greenwood since that occasion. He assembled the most embarrassing group imaginable not suitable for any style of play. They can’t sprint, they can’t cope with physical aspect and stamina required to play any high intensity football and they don’t have the redeeming footballing qualities to make up for it either. Rangnick has been totally calculated and spot on with his assessments since his arrival. Hopefully he can be moved upstairs to implement the necessary changes. We don’t need top 4 just to paper over the cracks what we need is complete reset.
 
The Mitcher said:
His remit was also to get top 4, to get results. Not just to analyse the squad, stop re-writing history. He's failed to get top 4 because he's failed to change anything and now doesn't bother to.

Chelsea didn't have a better squad when he replaced Lampard, and they haven't exactly lit the league on fire in his first full season either. He still managed to make his mark quickly, fat Spanish waiter did it in the same club, loads of managers who have been successful interims have managed to change things and get results.
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The Chelsea squad was miles ahead defensively. Chelsea had Rudiger, Thiago Silva, Azpilicueta, Reece James, Christensen, Chilwell, Kante. that's 7 players very good at defending. I'd say United have... aaa.... i'm sure they've got one...
 
I will quickly lose interest in the coming season if I see most of these playsrs here.
 
As bad as the whole fanbase is feeling right now and rightly so. I’m begrudgingly glad that it’s tanked properly. The house of cards have crumbled in front of the whole world and maybe it was necessary. This whole situation around the club from upper management to recruitment to performances on the pitch has been going on for a decade and an exposure, humiliation and utter incompetence of this proportion and was much needed.

Maybe Ralf Rangnick isn’t a top manager, maybe Conte would have been a better appointment to salvage the season but it would have been another band aid job yet again given the deep rot that has set in. With no where to hide and no doubts left, the club have no choice but to act now and act right. And if so they do then maybe a decade from now we would see Ralf’s failed tenure as a success and one of the biggest turning points in club’s history after the last forgetful decade. Fingers crossed.
 
I completely agree with Rangnick if he indeed did say what is quoted.. However he should be saying that at the end of the season not now.
it is hardly a statement to motivate the current players.
He should be motivating the current squad to try and finish in a champs league spot, the team are simply not playing for him no effort or fecks given and they havent been trying for weeks. If we had won a couple more games against the crap teams we would be comfortably 4th..

RR has failed to get the team playing, hes demoralised them with his “your not good enough” stance. It started months ago when it was reported he had a dossier on players not good enough, Maguire and co.. yes he is spot on in his assessment but he has badly managed it.
 
He's the DoF that we need simply. One of the best move the can can do this summer is to fire Murtough and put Rangnick + Mitchell in the DoF positions.

But since when our board can take good decisions ?
 
Chaky_Best said:
He's the DoF that we need simply. One of the best move the can can do this summer is to fire Murtough and put Rangnick + Mitchell in the DoF positions.

But since when our board can take good decisions ?
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Murtough hasn’t even really started in his new role yet. Bit harsh.

Ralf and Murtough could work. Can’t afford a slow summer I know that much.
 
Leftback99 said:
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That’s the worry for me too, is anything going to change? There was no need to tie Fernandes down, it was monumentally stupid to do so before a new manager comes in. We’re apparently in talks with Rashford and Shaw too, what if they get shiny new contracts before a new manager is appointed and when he is appointed he doesn’t fancy them? This ridiculous job security gives our players 0 incentive to actually work for their next contract. Rashford’s last contract was over 200k, what’s he going to want this time? Nothing has and will change.
 
Not getting top 4 is actually a good thing in the long run in my opinion. If we'd got it, you can imagine the crack papering that could be done when Ralf suggests most of these chancers need to be 'managed out of the organisation' over the next 18 months. Much easier for the higher ups to say - well, they got top 4, so surely there's many who might be salvaged under a new manager.

Unable to get top 4 with the run of fixtures we had, while the rivals for that 4th place were all dropping loads of points too..... nothing to be salvaged here.

People have moaned that he hasn't dropped the underperforming players and keeps playing those who are out of contract in the summer. I think he did this to give them the rope to hang themselves. imagine he dropped Pogba / Maguire / Rashford etc permanently after 3 games, instead of us seeing how awful they have been despite being played most weeks, imagine how that might be spun by their 'people' - "he hasn't played, the manager never gave him a chance, Paul can be great for the new manager". "Rashford just needs matches to get sharp again". "Maguire was just out of form after a difficult summer, he needs games to get his confidence back"

They all got plenty of games, and they all stank the place out.

Those that think Ralf's #1 priority was getting top 4 are understandably going to argue he's failed, and be correct in this.

Those who think Ralf's #1 priority was to undertake a frank and honest appraisal of the club and the playing staff with a view to a possible summer rebuild, will argue his best work is likely to come and being manager was a means to an end, may also be right in the long run.
 
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I don't believe the Mirror but I really wouldn't be shocked to see Rashford leave, I think that'll be the biggest indication that we're changing how we do things. It looks like Rangnick doesn't rate him at all.
 
After watching the Man City vs Liverpool match esp the vintage, top quality performances by both teams I was very worried for Man Utd and I can't say I was surprised by last night.
 
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