Rangnick - "Apart from goalkeeping we need to improve all areas of our squad" | Muppets amass
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Thank feck.
I can't believe we are still using Mourinho era players in our centre midfield. And you wonder why we get dominated by any half decent team.
I think our budget will be quite significant due to the amount of wages we're clearing off the books.200m
I love how they pull these figures out of their arses.
We'd be lucky to get 100m.
I would say we only have a handful of players that you could say have a future with us, from outfield players that would be Fred, Sancho, Varane with Bruno/Shaw give or take. The rest are simply not good enough for high intensity football or lack too much in the technical department.
Neither Kane or Rice fit the timeline of a proper rebuild, if either of those are still targets we’ve learnt nothing. In a different era both are United players but we honestly need to looking for the next Kane & Rice.
Agreed. Players like Rice and Kane would've been perfect during Ferguson's era when we had strong teams and only needed one or two players to come in and upgrade certain positions. They aren't what you buy when you're needing almost an entirely new team
I'd be happy if we signed Rice as he would improve our midfield drastically, but, not for the money being touted for him. If we ever sign him it should be only when he is in the last 6-12 months of his contract at West Ham. No one is paying £100m+ for him. I just hope with Ralf (and Erik) that there will be some common sense to our transfer approach over the coming windows.
If we have the funds, spend wisely on players who are committed and want to actually play for us and make an impact, and have the right coach and system in place, then we have a chance. Our aim now is to be on the up for when Pep and Klopp leave their positions to try and take advantage of any instability at the pair of those clubs. We have 2-3 years to be close enough to try and pounce and take advantage.
If we have the funds, spend wisely on players who are committed and want to actually play for us and make an impact, and have the right coach and system in place, then we have a chance. Our aim now is to be on the up for when Pep and Klopp leave their positions to try and take advantage of any instability at the pair of those clubs. We have 2-3 years to be close enough to try and pounce and take advantage.
I wonder if United could sign Tchouaméni and Caqueret for the price of one Rice.
Whilst I agree on Kane I think Rice could be exactly what we need if you remove the price tag.
He's just entering his peak and is you g enough to be around for a long time yet.
If we really are focusing on youth he'd be ideal as a steady reference in the centre of the park and potential captain material if he kept progressing on his current trajectory.
Just looking at players currently looking to break through Mejbri and Garner would both benefit from having someone like him in the middle of the park with them.
But you can’t removed the price tag. He’d cost an insane amount of money.
As below your post, you have to consider the price tag. I rate both players & would love to have them but blowing the majority of our budget on one player is nonsensical.
His personal timeline is slightly ahead of ours, he’s ready for a step up where as we need to dismantle & start all over again. I think as a fanbase we need to take a step back & realise a few of the best talents are out of our remit currently. I hate to do it but look at Liverpool, VvD was the icing - we’ve a ways to go before we’re at the marquee signing point.
Whilst I do agree on the price tag being a big consideration, and the analogy with VVD. The key difference is age for me. Van Dijk is at his peak at the same time as the rest of that Liverpool squad, and I'd expect Rice to be at that level in 2 or 3 years meaning we could build with him.
I'm fully in favour of some cheaper signings that fit the style of play, but that DM is absolutely key for me and I believe it's key for the way Ten Hag will want to play.
His DM at the moment regularly switches between DM and CB either stepping out from defence or dropping back from midfield and Rice would be perfect there. I also think he'd make a lot of our current players look a lot better, for instance...
Fred - He's very Kante-lite. Not amazing on the ball, but lots of energy to close players down. Not the best positional sense hence why neither work as the sole DM. Just to clarify as I know it will get called out, I'm not saying Fred is as good, but that he has similar qualities. With a DM like Rice he'd have more license to close down more without worrying as much about the space behind & he'd have license to get forward more were we've seen his dribbling can be effective at times.
Maguire & Varane - Neither have looked solid this season and we regularly concede from Maguire stepping forward to close someone down that really should be the job of the defensive midfielder. Just look at his positioning for almost all the goals against Liveroool, he's regularly caught in front of his other defenders as he has midfielders running at him with no protection in front.
As much as I'd like us to replace Fred and Maguire it isn't going to happen straight away and we'll have to tailor our gameplan to work with what we have in some areas.
Caqueret has 14 months left on his contract. We could probably rebuild half of the team for the price of one Rice, if it was spent efficiently.
This has to be false. Kane (almost 29) would cost our entire transfer budget, why would we even entertain the idea of chasing him?
I'd love Rice at the club, but only at a fair price.
Fried Rice? Two for one?
Is he the only DM in the world? Surely there are DMs who are as good of not better than him in the world?
If West Ham win the Europa League they will be playing Champions League football next season.
If they lift the trophy in May then there is no way Rice will leave for anywhere.
Basically we're missing most of the parts of well run, successful club. What a shocker
It's clear that we haven't moved with the times, and hence why we are behind the likes of City and Liverpool.
Our recruitment policy has simply been one of signing individuals.
If we want to move with the times then our recruitment policy has to be signing players that are suitable to a style of play of the team.
...of course we have to implement a style of play and stick with it before we can identify player's that will be suitable for it.
Granted we didn't spend anything this winter, many players will leave and clear the wages bill, we might get close to 200 million, unfortunately no champions league might hurt as as much as 50 million. On the other hand we may as well let go Henderson and Martial for say 22 + 8 million. Which I think could make 180 million transfer budget if we are realistic.
This could be seriously 3 very good starters. Neves (60) Tchouameni/DM (70) Nkunku (50) + a smart deal from Ajax, a youngster ready to make a step up
+ Garner, Van de Beek (free) + Laird (with a good preseason in mind)
+ Hannibal (squad)
This can give us enough spine, other useful players expected to be improved..
This could be seriously 3 very good starters. Neves (60) Tchouameni/DM (70) Nkunku (50) + a smart deal from Ajax, a youngster ready to make a step up
+ Garner, Van de Beek (free) + Laird (with a good preseason in mind)
+ Hannibal (squad)
This can give us enough spine, other useful players expected to be improved..
Mata and Matic both look like they need fecking walking sticks out there. Its an absolute shambles that both are still on our books.
if ever there were a case in stats being misleading….and 3 years, when Mane was Bruno’s age, he wasn’t showing any of the worrying signs that Bruno is now displaying. And according to a google search (so full acknowledgment on the pinch of salt required), Mane is now on 100k/week, so 3 years ago he was obviously clearly outperforming his contact and deserved a new one. Can we really say the same of Bruno?
I think Mata has looked more effective than Bruno recently, which I suppose says as much about Bruno as it does about Mata.
Only Origi, Milner and Henderson are still there because they know when to get rid of players. At our club we still have the likes of Mata, Shaw, Jones, Lingard etc it’s pure madness I hope ETH puts and end to this type of thing.
Ralf should 100% be kept on at the club.
Fair point but I suspect he was referring more to the likes of Pogba, Rashford and co.
He’s clearly wrong cause De Gea is a super limited goalkeeper who sets the whole team back with his passive, static, shy goalkeeping style.
And people hate it when we call Bruno "Stat padding".
It won't be Kane and rice.The mirror is making up so much nonsense. Rangnick says we need 7 players, the mirror says we're going to spend over 200M on Kane and Rice.
Can we please ban the Mirror as a source? It's utter bullshit and as bad a source as any.
Source : used to read the thing
Source : used to read the thing
What's about Macguire?
And is 200m including sales? Assuming we could sell some of those players
Have you stopped to consider that the fact that he’s just gone and done it and still has a job at the club might be an indication that it in fact is his job, as opposed to what esteemed redcafe poster acnumber9 says that his job description is?
Agreed. It’s concerning that so many don’t see De Gea’s weaknesses as an issue as well. I hate it when the ball is passed back to him because either allows the defence to be pressed or he boots it straight out to anywhere but a United player.
He’s told us himself that his job was to get results and finish top 4. Not every manager gets sacked for saying things they shouldn’t to the media. It’s not the evidence Anustart off Redcafe thinks it is to prove it’s part of his job. Was Mourinho ranting about respect part of his job too? Or was it something a manager shouldn’t be doing?
So what has Ralfie said: many will need to go? 5-6? 7-8? 10?
Looking at the squad, and what Rangnik has said about ideal size, and what Ten Hag usually works with, I expect 12-13 out the door.
One of De Gea and Henderson. De Gea is back in the elite for a keeper his profile. Ten Hag has used different kind of keepers before, so I’m guessing he’ll stick with De Gea until an obvious world class modern keeper becomes available, and Henderson is likely not it, and will at least go on a loan, but probably push to leave.
Phil Jones will likely move on somewhere he can play. Eric Bailly is not the disciplined CM Ten Hag seems to need. I expect both gone. Tuanzebe likely too, but his profile is a bit more Ten Hag friendly. Maybe he could be fourth choiche if he learns fast.
I’m guessing Williams will get another loan or get sold. On right back, neither Dalot (too many weakneses, to few strengths), AWB (too huge weaknesses, missing a few crucial strengths) nor Laird (not good enough defensively yet), are to me starter candidates for a Ten Hag-like team. I wouldn’t be surprised to see AWB leave because of his profile more than his quality.
Matic leaves, Pogba pretty certainly.
Juan Mata and Jesse will leave. Cavani too. Greenwood’s a gonner. Martial could be useful, but he seems tired of United and is the most unlikely -defend-from-the-front-player in Europe. I expect him sold.
Cristiano. I think he’ll weigh his options and find a way to move on. If we buy a pressing striker candidate, he will play second fiddle in no time, I don’t think he wants that.
If I’m guessing correctly (Henderson, Jones, Bailly, Bissaka, Matic, Pogba, Mata, Lingard, Cavani, Greenwood, Martial and Ronaldo) that is 13 exits. That is a whole lot, more than anyone has hinted at. Probably a few of them will stay.
People expecting anyone not mentioned to disappear - I’m quite certain they’ll be disappointed.
Expecting a practical firat team squad of about 25 players, that would leave us 7 players short. We are not buying 7 starters in one window. I expect a couple of Garner, Mejbri and Diallo to make out squad size. A new second keeper. That leaves four new starter candidates. The holes at this point is RB/CB, DM, RW and S. With four holes like this, I’m not expecting a super expensive buy like Rice or Kane.
RB/CB: Timber? Not too clued up on candidates.
DM: Philips, Tchouameni, Palhinha?
RW: ETH seems to prefer LF RW, so Antony not a bad guess. Not many to choose from.
S: NKunku fits the profile. I won’t be surprised to see another attempt at schooling Rashford into a striker role.
First eleven come August: (4-3-3)
De Gea
New/Dalot - Varane - Maguire - Shaw
Bruno - New - Fred
New - New/Rashford - Sancho
Looking at the squad, and what Rangnik has said about ideal size, and what Ten Hag usually works with, I expect 12-13 out the door.
One of De Gea and Henderson. De Gea is back in the elite for a keeper his profile. Ten Hag has used different kind of keepers before, so I’m guessing he’ll stick with De Gea until an obvious world class modern keeper becomes available, and Henderson is likely not it, and will at least go on a loan, but probably push to leave.
Phil Jones will likely move on somewhere he can play. Eric Bailly is not the disciplined CM Ten Hag seems to need. I expect both gone. Tuanzebe likely too, but his profile is a bit more Ten Hag friendly. Maybe he could be fourth choiche if he learns fast.
I’m guessing Williams will get another loan or get sold. On right back, neither Dalot (too many weakneses, to few strengths), AWB (too huge weaknesses, missing a few crucial strengths) nor Laird (not good enough defensively yet), are to me starter candidates for a Ten Hag-like team. I wouldn’t be surprised to see AWB leave because of his profile more than his quality.
Matic leaves, Pogba pretty certainly.
Juan Mata and Jesse will leave. Cavani too. Greenwood’s a gonner. Martial could be useful, but he seems tired of United and is the most unlikely -defend-from-the-front-player in Europe. I expect him sold.
Cristiano. I think he’ll weigh his options and find a way to move on. If we buy a pressing striker candidate, he will play second fiddle in no time, I don’t think he wants that.
If I’m guessing correctly (Henderson, Jones, Bailly, Bissaka, Matic, Pogba, Mata, Lingard, Cavani, Greenwood, Martial and Ronaldo) that is 13 exits. That is a whole lot, more than anyone has hinted at. Probably a few of them will stay.
People expecting anyone not mentioned to disappear - I’m quite certain they’ll be disappointed.
Expecting a practical firat team squad of about 25 players, that would leave us 7 players short. We are not buying 7 starters in one window. I expect a couple of Garner, Mejbri and Diallo to make out squad size. A new second keeper. That leaves four new starter candidates. The holes at this point is RB/CB, DM, RW and S. With four holes like this, I’m not expecting a super expensive buy like Rice or Kane.
RB/CB: Timber? Not too clued up on candidates.
DM: Philips, Tchouameni, Palhinha?
RW: ETH seems to prefer LF RW, so Antony not a bad guess. Not many to choose from.
S: NKunku fits the profile. I won’t be surprised to see another attempt at schooling Rashford into a striker role.
First eleven come August: (4-3-3)
De Gea
New/Dalot - Varane - Maguire - Shaw
Bruno - New - Fred
New - New/Rashford - Sancho
Do you think there is any reasonable likelihood of United firing Rangnick in late April because they don't like some things he's said to the media?
Ralf making statements that Ole never would which I'm happy about.
He knows we need 6+ this summer.
If he was repeatedly and publicly saying stuff that his bosses didn’t like I’d reckon that he’d be told to reign it in or be fired if he persisted with it, if observing and saying those things were not part of his job description.