Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped

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Rightnr said:
OGS did not get CL in his first season, barely made it in his 2nd due to Leicester collapsing and would have missed out last year if we were crazy enough to keep him.

So none of your points make sense.
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You don't get my point, do you? The club was shit and out of CL often before, but players still joined us. Now not anymore with added reason of the club being unstable. I believe that added reason became a thing suddenly this summer most likely because of the consequence of hiring Ralf in that role.
 
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The United said:
You don't get my point, do you? The club was shit and out of CL often before, but players still joined us. Now not anymore with added reason of the club being unstable. I believe that added reason became a thing suddenly this summer most likely because of the consequence of hiring Ralf in that role.
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You are seriously beyond help here. We've had 10 years of crap ownership and it's catching up with us, it's not because a competent person called out the idiots at the club
 
Rightnr said:
You are seriously beyond help here. We've had 10 years of crap ownership and it's catching up with us, it's not because a competent person called out the idiots at the club
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Wreck-It proved to be anything but competent! :lol:
 
Rightnr said:
OGS did not get CL in his first season, barely made it in his 2nd due to Leicester collapsing and would have missed out last year if we were crazy enough to keep him.

So none of your points make sense.
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To be fair I think we were 8-9 points off 4th when Ole took over back in 2018 vs 3 last season.
 
I guess this is bumped cause he was right about the club. Problem is he was hired as a manager and acted like he's everything but the manager while we were playing crap.
 
Ralf must have felt like he was going crazy. Working with and dealing with these cnuts in charge.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
He's a DOF we hired as a manager. Then sacked as a DOF because he wasn't a good enough manager.

Stupid club.
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He never was the DOF nor was he hired to become the DOF. The facts are he was only going to be a consultant, a role that was his idea not United's and he was only gong to be be working 2 days a month. Still to this day people have wild ideas that Ralf was brought into somehow oversee a rebuild of the club and run the football operation and/or recruitment. He wasn't going to be doing anything like that and in all likelihood the club simply wanted an experienced Interim manager asap and gave him the 2 year consultancy gig just to get him on board.

It was a poor decision all round from the club.
 
stevoc said:
He never was the DOF nor was he hired to become the DOF. The facts are he was only going to be a consultant, a role that was his idea not United's and he was only gong to be be working 2 days a month. Still to this day people have wild ideas that Ralf was brought into somehow oversee a rebuild of the club and run the football operation and/or recruitment. He wasn't going to be doing anything like that and in all likelihood the club simply wanted an experienced Interim manager asap and gave him the 2 year consultancy gig just to get him on board.

It was a poor decision all round from the club.
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I understand he was brought in to be a consultant in his second year. But ultimately he was supposed to have a more strategic role, similar to a DOF, rather than be on the front line I.e. a manager, which is the point.
 
stevoc said:
He never was the DOF nor was he hired to become the DOF. The facts are he was only going to be a consultant, a role that was his idea not United's and he was only gong to be be working 2 days a month. Still to this day people have wild ideas that Ralf was brought into somehow oversee a rebuild of the club and run the football operation and/or recruitment. He wasn't going to be doing anything like that and in all likelihood the club simply wanted an experienced Interim manager asap and gave him the 2 year consultancy gig just to get him on board.

It was a poor decision all round from the club.
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You are correct. He was never going to be the DOF. However, the club could have used his knowledge and contacts to plan our operations and recruitment strategy which the actual DOF would then implement.

As you point out though, that was probably never their actual plan.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
He's a DOF we hired as a manager. Then sacked as a DOF because he wasn't a good enough manager.

Stupid club.
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Completely wrong! He took the Austria job.....as MANAGER? He even said himself at the beginning that he would even consider putting himself forward as the permanent manager replacement depending on how things went. It soon became apparent that this was never going to happen.
 
Ralf was a better manager than people realized. We won this exact corresponding fixture with him in charge and Brighton still had Bissouma and Cucurella. He never got benefit of a pre-season or even a single player of his choice and we still finished 6th with this lot.
 
Mr PG said:
Ralf was a better manager than people realized. We won this exact corresponding fixture with him in charge and Brighton still had Bissouma and Cucurella. He never got benefit of a pre-season or even a single player of his choice and we still finished 6th with this lot.
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He was not.. He was useless. ..
 
stevoc said:
I think it's a myth with no basis in facts personally. I've never heard one fan from another team say their team did well/poor that season because there were no fans in the stadiums.
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then you explain how we went from where we are to our position now. and let's take Bruno as a prime example...
 
Looking at how shocked EtH came across during the game and after it, wonder if he's thinking he should've sat down with RR to at least listen to what he had to say.
The club and EtH really came across as too dismissive towards anything RR wanted to share. I understand why the club would do that, RR would just expose how incompetent they were, but it would've been in EtH interest to have a meeting with him. Perhaps he was wary of the players presuming his presumptions about them and complicating their relationship even before it started, especially because the players knew what RR thinks of them. But in hindsight, it does look like a bad move from EtH.

I made this point when we were talking about how they did not have this meeting, what EtH could've learned from RR was how the players react under pressure and when they're out of form, when the honeymoon period of the new manager is over, not how skilled they are, I'm sure EtH and his coaches will make their own minds up on that. But I expected RR's information to be useful later on in the season, didn't expect it to happen in game 1.
 
Its clear that Murtough didnt want him around because he was a threat to his own job. Why we didnt keep him when we knew we had fired our scouting team and were scrambling for Michael Keane's brother at the middle of the window...just horrible all round.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
He's a DOF we hired as a manager. Then sacked as a DOF because he wasn't a good enough manager.

Stupid club.
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He was sacked because he made his own position within the club completely untenable. Being opinionated, arrogant, and highly critical of all aspects and personnel within the club, in public, isn’t going to win over your colleagues, or prospective managers for that matter.
 
stevoc said:
How?

Genuinely interested.



Indeed it's a fascinating theory that no one that I can recall has been able to explain with anything tangible.
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It just takes United having more key players that perform better without fans than other clubs. It’s a well known phenomenon that certain players looks amazing in training but struggle to maintain those standards on match-day (with others thriving on playing in front of crowds) If we have an unusually high number of players in that first category (or one or two of our most important players) then we will benefit more than other clubs.

And it doesn’t mean we benefit more than all clubs. Just the few that finished just below us. Nor does it need to be a huge benefit. A few points we wouldn’t otherwise win can make a huge difference.
 
stevoc said:
No, no one has an explanation for why they think we uniquely benefitted from no fans in the stadiums.
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Well, I have put forward my theory and I will do so again. I admit I haven't analysed the numbers, but sometimes its just a gut feeling.

Playing for Man United puts more pressure onto players than pretty much every other club. They are struggling after a period of dominance and in the recent past there has been problems with cliques and factions and leaks from the dressing room, leading to a lack of team cohesion. Evidence for this? like I said it is conjecture, but we know the new manager is trying to improve team ethos (meals together etc.) we often see United players perform better for their countries (so they have the talent but not the pressure) and finally in the pre-season games abroad they played with confidence and fluidity that was missing on Sunday. Against Brighton they were quite nervous and the fans and the expectation of the fans must have had something to do with that.

Now, going back to the lockdown matches, as I said, I haven't got all the stats to hand, but I remember many games where United went behind, but turned things around. I would argue that had they gone behind and then had 70,000 people on the edge of their seats adding extra pressure (the players must feel the pressure from so many fans) booing them even, several of those matches wouldn't have been won. We'd have been 5th/6th and not 2nd so I do believe playing to empty stadiums did help Man United, more so than most of the other clubs.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Club still lacks vision, the appointment was then totally useless.
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The club should have a vision for the future before Ferguson's retirement. There suppose to be a process, a preparation that needed the plan to find the right manager after his retirement. The club never thought of it!!?
All appointment was an eye-opener for this club, not useless, sir. Can you do anything with that?
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
I understand he was brought in to be a consultant in his second year. But ultimately he was supposed to have a more strategic role, similar to a DOF, rather than be on the front line I.e. a manager, which is the point.
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Who ever said that though?

Certainly no one from the club.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
You are correct. He was never going to be the DOF. However, the club could have used his knowledge and contacts to plan our operations and recruitment strategy which the actual DOF would then implement.

As you point out though, that was probably never their actual plan.
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I agree they could and probably should have done but obviously a decision was made to sack him. What prompted that decision I don't know but personally I suspect Ten Hag wasn't keen on working with him.
 
stevoc said:
I agree they could and probably should have done but obviously a decision was made to sack him. What prompted that decision I don't know but personally I suspect Ten Hag wasn't keen on working with him.
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I just saw a tweet in the other thread saying ten hag is the driving force in the transfer window and gave a detailed dossier which blew away murtogh and fletcher. I reckon rangnicks list of players and ten hags list of players differed greatly and the board decided to not antagonize the new manager and bid farewell to rangnick.
 
mitchmouse said:
then you explain how we went from where we are to our position now. and let's take Bruno as a prime example...
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The difference in fortunes between 20-21 and 21-22 are fairly obvious to most United fans I would have thought.

We had a manger who overseen the construction of a bloated squad with too many overpaid egos that he didn't know how to keep happy, discontent spread and morale was low. At the same time he tried to change the style of play but didn't have the experience/knowledge nor some players in vital positions to achieve that goal, and it snowballed from there down hill sharply.

He was sacked and replaced by an over the hill coach who'd never managed a outside of Germany or a club the size of United. He had about as much of a clue as Solksjaer in how to manage the squad, needless to say man management doesn't seem to be one of Ralf's strengths.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It just takes United having more key players that perform better without fans than other clubs. It’s a well known phenomenon that certain players looks amazing in training but struggle to maintain those standards on match-day (with others thriving on playing in front of crowds) If we have an unusually high number of players in that first category (or one or two of our most important players) then we will benefit more than other clubs.

And it doesn’t mean we benefit more than all clubs. Just the few that finished just below us. Nor does it need to be a huge benefit. A few points we wouldn’t otherwise win can make a huge difference.
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I understand the theory mate but it's a stretch. We finished 3rd the season before when fans attended most of the games. In 20-21 Liverpool fell apart due to injuries in defence and Chelsea had a rough season when Lampard struggled. Those two factors way more than any far out theory about fan attendance contributed to United moving up a place from the season before.
 
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VidaRed said:
I just saw a tweet in the other thread saying ten hag is the driving force in the transfer window and gave a detailed dossier which blew away murtogh and fletcher. I reckon rangnicks list of players and ten hags list of players differed greatly and the board decided to not antagonize the new manager and bid farewell to rangnick.
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The likely explanation in my opinion, there were quite a few reports a few months back when Ralf was sacked that the types of players he was recommending didn't gel with what Ten Hag wanted.
 
So RR, recommended four players to the board in january:

1. Julian Alverez
2. Laimer
3. Nkunku
4. "Must buy at all cost" Josko Gvardiol.

Alvarez signed for city, Nkunku signed a new contract. Laimer is of interest to Bayern (who rarely make mistakes) and utd ignored Gvardial.

I do wonder if the board had listened to him and signed all four whether we would have been in a better position going into this summers transfer market.
 
dinostar77 said:
So RR, recommended four players to the board in january:

1. Julian Alverez
2. Laimer
3. Nkunku
4. "Must buy at all cost" Josko Gvardiol.

Alvarez signed for city, Nkunku signed a new contract. Laimer is of interest to Bayern (who rarely make mistakes) and utd ignored Gvardial.

I do wonder if the board had listened to him and signed all four whether we would have been in a better position going into this summers transfer market.
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I think watching that list it's pretty clear we would have been a much much better team, a DM away from being a complete team.
 
kthanksbye said:
Looking at how shocked EtH came across during the game and after it, wonder if he's thinking he should've sat down with RR to at least listen to what he had to say.
The club and EtH really came across as too dismissive towards anything RR wanted to share. I understand why the club would do that, RR would just expose how incompetent they were, but it would've been in EtH interest to have a meeting with him. Perhaps he was wary of the players presuming his presumptions about them and complicating their relationship even before it started, especially because the players knew what RR thinks of them. But in hindsight, it does look like a bad move from EtH.

I made this point when we were talking about how they did not have this meeting, what EtH could've learned from RR was how the players react under pressure and when they're out of form, when the honeymoon period of the new manager is over, not how skilled they are, I'm sure EtH and his coaches will make their own minds up on that. But I expected RR's information to be useful later on in the season, didn't expect it to happen in game 1.
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Think either the Athletic or ESPN reported EtH did speak with RR for hours in late May. But they never actually met in person.
 
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