I don't think we were the only ones. what is clear some benefitted more than others while it caused problems for some. Sometimes that gap was big enough to make a difference in games - often by some margin. maybe our players just aren't good at handling pressure - after all, coaches have seen them do well in training which isn't that different to playing without supporters watching
Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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except that, like Woodward, those deals seem to take 10 times longer than any other club's transfer business
VDS is doing rather nicely at Ajax, and guess who he was working with until recently. Arnold may have stuff on his CV but he doesn't seem, in my admittedly not that experienced opinion, particularly great at the actual getting things done bit. Promoting from within isn't working for us. Fletcher is a gamble that doesn't seem to bearing much fruit either
What I don't understand is why the glazers don't appoint a proper DoF. It feels like they only want yes man in the club.
very true
This.
except he was also hired in a consultancy role and never given a day to see if he could do it
I sure we have loads of 'consultants' working for us. It wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. He took another full time job at Austria.
I’m not sure that’s true. The FdJ saga is genuinely a one-off, and it might be just that we as United fans get immersed in the detail of our club’s transfers and don't follow others’ so intently.
Malacia took no time at all; Martinez and (to a lesser extent) Eriksen took not much longer, though in both cases the delay between ITK journalists saying they were done deals and the club announcing them was weirdly long.
Eriksen took ages given that there was no club to negotiate with. FdJ can hardly be passed off as a "one-off" given our history and then there's the Serbian who is coming/isn't coming/has already agreed a deal with someone else. and then there's the fact that the major gaps in the squad - which are blindingly obvious - haven't been addressed at all
Maybe United just isn’t as attractive as we think it is? Maybe players need some persuading? That’s hardly the fault of the new regime, though I agree they aren’t doing enough to change that perception.
Bah. Liverpool took ages to sign van Dyke.
Can’t argue with that! Though there are a number of explanations:
- EtH genuinely believes (or did until Brighton) that players already at the club can step up
- The Glazers simply won’t sanction the expenditure
- The funds are there but Murtough and co simply can’t get their arses into gear
I've been picking option three since about June! I don't recall Liverpool takes ages of van D - but I tend to take as little notice of that lot as possible! I think you might be right that ETH was fooled during pre season but most of all I hope option 2 is wrong otherwise we are f@cked for decades to come because the b@stards won't sell. Shame we weren't owned by a Russian who was forced to sell - chelsea seem to have grabbed all the luck
You find hard to believe DDG, Maguire can't play with high block? It was no coincident that RR and Ole wanted to control the game with these set of players when they first got here but ended up switching back to counter attacking football real quick.
We have too many one dimensional players. They can play with different style but very bad at it and the new system will only expose their weakness not contain it.
I don't disagree with some of your assessments there and certainly some players just aren't suited to certain styles of play. But still the majority of this squad could play different styles effectively, to varying levels.
I think it's a myth with no basis in facts personally. I've never heard one fan from another team say their team did well/poor that season because there were no fans in the stadiums.
So you are telling me that a GK like David Degea can only play one style of play?
Has he played the same style of play under Ferguson, Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Soldkjaer?
Same with Maguire, England under Southgate play the same style as Leicester under Rodgers or United under Solskjaer?
they don't play with high block so the answer is yes. Why do you think Spain dropped DDG?
Many of our first teamers ain't first choice for their NT for a reason.
I believe 100% that the board realised that keeping him meant spending serious money and they didn't want to believe how dire the situation is. Ten Hag wanted his own players that he can trust but no BIG club allows the manager to dictate who they buy. They all plan with the managers about what positions is needing improving. Then the club target players with specific profile. Enzo Fernandez (CM, Scored 2 wondergoals for them already) and Julian Alvarez (LW/CF) for £32 Million would have been perfect for us. Laimer and Gvaridol for about £70. Would meant we brought in 2 quality CM's and Left footed Centre Back and another Forward. Martinez looked not even close to a £50 million player but that is us in a nutshell. We won't get anywhere close to Europe and Ten Hag will be sacked by this board for not IMPROVING a squad that isn't. Throwing money at a problem isn't everything we needed his know how of getting relatively unproven gems and turning them into superstars. We can't compete with City, Liverpool and Chelsea for Europe's Elite anymore. Yes he might not be the best coach but I 100% if the board backed him in the role that he was meant to take then we would've had a brilliant summer window. Ten Hag's downfall with be the same as Ole's trying to give these players ANOTHER chance. THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
What a completely ignorant post.
Why even reply? With a comment like that he clearly doesn't know feck all about the world of football.
How is that ignorant?
He was linked with Bayern, AC Milan and got none of those jobs.
He was given the role of interim and couldn't even motivate a squad for more than a 30 minute new manager bounce.
He recommended players that wouldn't come to United, people act as if he is such an amazing talent finder but the names mentioned are Nkunku, Haaland who are big name players or command a big fee.
Finally, when a person talks about type of football, you'd think they can get a team playing that way, he showed he was a very poor manager, what makes people think he would have been any different at any other level?
Ten Hag didn't even get 30 minutes out of them. Guess he's even worse.
Well even if that were true which is debateable, so what?
I asked can they only play in one style of play, obviously they can and have played in different systems under different managers over the years.
But that's not true is it?
The club made a mistake. He should have been hired in a consultancy role and no more than that.
Spectacular failure to not make CL.
Spectacular failure to not make CL.
Lets see, Rangnick's record was the worst of any United manager. If you dont think Ten Hag is a good manager then you are entitled to your opinion.
From all the reports in respects to Rangnick and his coaching staff to Ten Hag, I have seen a big difference.
I suppose you think Rangnick is a better manager.
Sure it is. Unless you're being foolish and counting friendlies, but no sane person would do that. Ten Hag's first competitive match was a miserable failure where his side were comprehensively outplayed by Brighton at home right from the kick-off. A very poor manager and no mistake. I mean, he must be, because it's definetly not the players. I mean, they've only failed, what, three or four managers now, depending who you pick on? All have been very poor managers of course. It's not the players. Rashy and Shawsy and Slabsy and McTsy will come to life and make it clear that Rangnick just failed to motivate them. Once they're working under a competent manager of course.
Thats not true though. He recommended Nkunku before he signed a new deal. Laimer and Alvarez. (last two before Bayern and City got involved) The only one demanding a high fee at the time was Haaland.
Surely even you will have to admit that Laimer, Alvarez and Nkunku where better targets then Rabiot and Arnautovic.
Ofcourse its not true. Nkunku was 20m right? We were in for Alvarez and pulled out, 1 week later City signed him, you think City scouted him and got the deal done in a week right?
If you read reports, Laimer is going to Bayern, next season on a free. But ofcourse you know more.
I am not arguing about who are the better targets, the issue is naming targets that are not willing to come is pointless.
The squad was, and still is, crap. I said on our pod back in January we wouldn't get top 4. It was bad not to get CL of course, but hardly a spectacular failure.
He was poor as a coach, no doubt. But the vast majority of players are either not good enough / have lost their drive to play for us and he was right about needing several new players. Going into this season with the three players we had signed and no one else was utterly mental. It's going to be another tremendously tedious and tough season.
Saying he's never worked in a top 4 league and calling him a nobody is completely ignorant in my opinion and to be honest you saying. "people act as if he's an amazing talent finder" isn't much better when he's discovered players like Haaland ( the first time around) Mane, Firminho, Werner, Upamecano, Alba, Neuer, Kimmich, Keita, Konate and took Smith Rowe on loan because he can recognise talent.
I can understand people slamming his interim period with us but not giving him credit on what he's achieved in the football World is just completely agenda driven. Given the choice between him or Murtough as football director I'd be voting for Ralf everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Some supporters deserve the suffering we've been going through the way we're run as a club. Ralf is just another example in a long list of feck ups and if people can't see that then there's nothing anyone can do to help them.
See the below from romufc, it'll help both of you to understand why you can't refute the reality of what I've said.
Contrary to popular belief, the world of football isn't about quoting xG, or having a hipster name for a way of playing. The world of real football is based upon performances and results, measurable to those that know the game in terms of what you can see with your own eyes, and most importantly the number of points you get. Whoever appointed Rangnick is a big part of the mess at United, no one with any idea about football would have picked him from his obscurity. Sure, people liked him for calling a spade a spade when it came to assessing our squad, but this was merely self preservation.
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Ragnick is a good manager. Way way better resume than ETH currently has. He is even more experienced in building structures to make a club successful. The very fact that he failed at this club should be a stark warning. The fact that LVG and Mourinho weren’t able to replicate their form in the earlier clubs should be warning signs. The transfer windows being a mess for so long, no structure, frequent manager change, player discontent etc etc. It’s there for years. You expect one person in ETH to change and resolve everything wrong with the club when Ragnick could not? How hilarious is that. No, blaming an ex manager is easy. Blaming ourselves and accepting that is tough. Who is bigging up ETH as the next big thing. Tomorrow same fans will treat him like Mourinho and Ragnick. If anything, it is important to direct the anger at the right people which is owners and CEO. Manager just cannot suceed in such a structure. The dressing room is a mess and you want Rabiot. Is that even sane? FDJ will not transform united just as pogba, sancho, ronaldo etc couldn’t. Same sort of unreasonable hopes were attached to the players. Giving blanket powers for recruitment to manager is a mistake. Not having a recruitment team or an analytics team is a mistake. The people there are either not competent or their opinion is ignored. You can decide whatever options suits your arguments. ETH may turn out to be great or he may be average. Judging him, criticising him or defending him to be like Pep or Klopp is nonsense. He is just in from a league comparable to championship. He will need time and many more competent people around him to manage at this club. I don’t see those competent people unfortunately. Finally it’s down to the CEO to recruit competent people. It down to DOF to recruit and manage football structure. None of it looks like happening. Blaming players is easy. Who brought them in? Who recruited people for club positions? Who is responsible for structural changes? Who is responsible to manage football teams? As of now it’s just a chaos of people and egos and leftover waste from previous years without anyone owning responsibility to clean up and start again.
Well did he ever work in a top 4 league? Looks like he never worked in England, Spain, Italy or France to me.
Who knew about him outside of Germany/Germans? I guess he got an interview or two, so maybe that's a fraction too harsh.
You may want to check your notes again. Bundesliga is a top 4 league unless you live under a rock.
It's 50/50 for 4th place with Ligue 1.
You'd really put France above Germany as a top 4 league?
And to answer your other question anyone who follows football knows/ knew of him outside of Germany.
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