That's not the point though. Would those players work for ETH's system? The reluctance to spend money last january was because it wasn't certain who would be our next permanent manager. We moan about having an unbalanced squad from various different managers, and we didn't want to further add to that. Not to mention we would've had to draw from the summer budget.
Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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And look at what been cheap bastards has cost us, no cl, players DON'T want to come here other than players no one wants and lets be honest we be lucky to get 5/6th, so again next summer we will have issues signing the top players.
As that french guy, who actually wants him and the bullshit that comes with him, going on benders the night of a defeat, his mammy bitching all the time, a back-up, LB and a CB, yet we were soooo smart not backing Ralf and keeping the money for, oh yeah the yankee wankers pocket, yup great idea keeping the money for the summer.
Oh yeah, agree that those two factors were more important. They would explain why those teams had fewer points than usual. I was just explaining why absence of fans might also have gained us a few more points.
that doesn't explain how we went from 2nd to absolutely nowhere. that explains arriving at nowhere
Amazing that people are still complaining he's gone. He gets such an easy ride for the shambolic management which is one of the key reasons we're in this mess with no CL.
It's like when you ask someone what time it is and they say "It's 2pm."
You then check your watch and find out it's 10AM and say "Nah it's 10am Mate".
Then that person comes up 4 hours later points at the nearest clock and says "I told you it was 2pm."
There is no point in arguing with it.
He was here for 6 months, called out all the problems at the club, was sacked for it and has since been proven right. He has nothing, whatsoever, to do with the mess we are in.
I find it hard to see any of those players being incapable of being moulded into ETH players. Very few good players are a perfect foil for your system, that's why you get paid to properly coach them. All they need is the right skillset, which those players have.
Except for his actual job of managing the team.
Apart from being absolutely abysmal at management.
He was in a bit of a catch-22 situation though. What was he supposed to do when he first came in, say everything was A-OK and try to massage the players egos in the hope they got top-4 and then turn on them and say 10 new ones are needed, leaving only the summer to do so.
No, he tried to be honest, he said Ronaldo should go in January and he told the board to start planning for new transfers months ahead of time. Almost immediately he wanted improved body-language and no doubt more fitness work to help with a pressing style of football; the snowflake players turned against him and we came sixth.
The sad thing is, most of the players who basically downed tools are still here, whilst the guy who said they weren't good enough has gone! I know since the Bosman ruling player power has become the thing, but this is taking it to extremes.
Oh and we are still trying to deal with the Ronaldo issue - ETH has been weak on this though, he shouldn't have been named in the squad for Sunday, make him train with the kids - anything to force him out, because on and off the pitch he is a problem.
Absolutely. Given that Rangnick's career has predominantly been in management, I'm yet to see an explanation for the worst win percentage since Frank O'Farrell 50 years a go. Sure the players are toss, but under him it got worse and worse.
It's quite remarkable that Austria took him as manager - let's see how that plays out, at least it's much more like his previous level.
I note though that so far no other 'big' club has seized upon the availability of this world renowned technical director. Maybe all the big clubs have no vacancies or maybe he's just resisting the approaches given his managerial job. I'm sure he'll pop up in a top half club in England/Spain/Italy at some point, cause quite clearly he's the one that got away for us.
You can add Tchoumeni to that list - RR wanted him and Alvarez in January. United said "no". Obviously, he's now joined Madrid.
Mitten's piece:
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/lifestyle/article/manchester-united-season-over-erik-ten-hag-2022
So at what point did the players buy into Rangnick as coach and try and play for him?
And he wasn't hired for his management skills, he was hired for his club building skills, that was his role, starting with an interim management position, but the real value was always in the his knowledge beyond management.
Not this absolute nonsense again.
That sounds like a total failure of management to me. It’s also not true, given things did actually pick up at first, so it’s not like he didn’t get a crack at the whip.
Can you point me to where in his announcement it said “he ain’t actually here for his management, the real quiz is this nebulous role that will never be defined”
Agreed. But he wasn't given a chance to do the thing he was actually good at (club building). He is not a coach, didn't want Carrick and McKenna to go and didn't get the coaches he wanted to replace them.
Keeping him as manager would have been ludicrous. he was absolutely right in his diagnosis of the failings of the squad though. He was right about the treatment, too - United do need 10 new players.
He was initially hired as a manager - he failed and was rightly not kept on in that role. This is a thread about his (now defunct) consultancy role. He would likely have had a lot more to contribute in that area, but was reportedly barely on speaking terms with Murtough after his "10 new players" press conference in April.
Three of these players are still at their clubs so what makes people think they would be here even if we were interested. Nkunku signed a new deal and Gvardiol has been priced out of any move by RBL this summer.
Alvarez to City was pretty much done.
It's easy to list players, getting them is another thing. I could list ten Hag's wishlist
1. Frenkie de Jong
2. Darwin Nunez
3. Jurrien Timber
4. Antony
5. Christian Eriksen
That also looks great on paper but only one of those playera is here. Not necessarily directed at you but the Rangnick worship due to players he targeted is strange.
Just because you didn't know something doesn't mean it isn't true. I honestly don't have time for the anti-Rangnick crowd, they just don't know enough about the game.
Damn. How did he manage to find out about that unearthed gem Tchoumeni. Maybe if he recommended realistic January targets the board would have acted on it.
The guy was hired to manage the first team and completely failed at it. Everything he said in press conferences could have been done privately with the board and scouts. Maybe then the players wouldn’t have given up and we would have Champions league, and a slight hope of signing his unrealistic targets.
Club building skills? Which of Europes major clubs has he built?
His ‘club building’ is developing a feeder club structure at the football equivalent of a startup with cash to burn.
His ‘club building’ is developing a feeder club structure at the football equivalent of a startup with cash to burn.
And they are two solid clubs, that are successful, play good football and produce top level talent that they sell to the rest of the world.
Coming from someone who’s username is after Kevin bleeding Strootman tells me all I need.
Yeah, they’re a feeder club.
Always excuses...
Guarantee that if I went back 9 years to when I set up this account and the vast majority of United fans were desperate to get Strootman, that you probably were one of them. Great player, but his career was hindered by injuries.
Coming from someone who’s username is after Kevin bleeding Strootman tells me all I need.
That consistently play in the champions, are more succesfull in their respective leagues, play better football and produce better players. I don't care what you call them, just know that we are below anything you can say about them at the moment.
Oh please enlighten us more about the game with your vast knowledge.
Are there any other managers currently out there in world football not hired to manage the team but some mysterious 'club building' role instead?
I can absolutely promise you I wasn’t. I seem to remember using the term “knees like a poorly handled pack of jammy dodgers”
It was an odd arrangement, but I didn't make it.
Maybe you didn't, but most United fans wanted him.
And most United fans, including you oh so wise one, were wrong.
And yet we sacked him before what you say was the most important part of it (his few day a month consultancy). Very odd.
I'm sorry, have you not seen how poorly our club is run?
Yeah, I guess I should have anticipated him having a major knee injury that would effect the rest of his career. You got me there, fecking hell.
You’re the one saying you have special football knowledge that those normal folk could never do much as perceive the worst manager in United’s history’s actual excellence.
He was hired as a manager/coach to get us CL football, it's simple as that. The consultant role was just to keep him happy for the long contract he was giving up, we probably have loads of 'consultants' on the books. Any bigger role is in your head.
Yeah OK mate. He was hired for 30 months initially, with only 6 months of that planned as manager for United. The majority as a consultant.
https://theathletic.com/news/manche...gnick-to-become-interim-manager/g7E5wItHFj3L/
"Rangnick has agreed a six-month deal until the end of May. He will have a further two years in a consultancy role."
I agree with the bold. But he had good reason. The board then ignored his request for a January signing, as in, did not even tell him no, just blanked him.
Our club is run by charlatans. They are, self evidently, clueless and Ralf saw that, when they didn't listen to him he told the press/fans. I do agree that will not win over collageues/ownership, but he had already realised they would not listen to him anyway.
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