I guess so which suggests that his original appointment was even dumber than its seemed recently.
Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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I guess so which suggests that his original appointment was even dumber than its seemed recently.
Probably quit.
Rangnick himself asked for the consultancy clause during negotiations.
You have to remember that he was contracted to Lokomotiv Moscow at the time. So he wanted some job security after the 6 month interim period would be over. United never really cared either way.
As things turned out, he got a job with Austria instead. So there was no need for him to waste everyone's time as a consultant. It suits both Ralf and United for us to part ways.
Obviously we need to hire interim consultant
possible? Sure. You’d be shooting in the dark to suit your own reading of the situation though, tbh
I think he was pushed similar to what happened at AC Milan. At Milan, Rangnick had sold the idea of a revolution which the board had agreed with, and he was all set for a 3 year stint as manager/director of football with Stefan Pioli the head coach getting the sack. But there was a push back from elements from within the club, and the same AC Milan that Rangnick wanted to gut in the 2020/21 season, went on to win the league in the 2021/22 season.
The quotes below are pretty damning and it seems Rangnick has repeated the same shenanigans here as he did at Milan with Maldini particularly being incensed by a perceived lack of respect he showed.
From the below article: "At the start of the new year cracks began to appear. AC Milan were annoyed by German’s continuous comments in the media and Rangnick’s strong character started to become a problem. The 62-year-old admitted talks with Milan and openly pressured the club to have full decision making power."
"There has been interest from AC Milan but with the Coronavirus situation there are other things to consider, besides thinking if Ralf Rangnick is the right man for them or vice versa. If theoretically I have to think about going somewhere else, I should to be able to do things my way”, he declared in an interview with Mitteldeutsche Zeitung."
"Paolo Maldini immediately blasted Rangnick for commenting on a club he wasn’t part of. “Speaking of a role with full managerial powers in both the sporting and technical areas, he invades areas where professionals with regular contracts work. I have some advice for him, before learning Italian he should review the general concepts of respect, as there are colleagues who, despite the many difficulties of the moment, are trying to finish the season in a very professional way, putting the best of Milan before their professional pride”, declared Paolo Maldini. Elliot started to reflect."
https://www.acmilaninfo.com/the-true-reasons-why-ac-milan-pulled-the-plug-on-ralf-rangnick/
If it's so obvious why the feck haven't we been doing it then??
Ralf is either not intelligent/detail oriented or he simply doesn't care.
I mean, it's quite obvious that if you will to take up a national job with Austria, there would be implications involved based on his Austria job and man utd job. So either he's not intelligent/detail oriented enough to look through the contract or he simply don't care and wants a way out. Maybe both.
He's quite a joker. He used the same tactics that got Ole sacked, 4222 for the nextfew games, then 4231 the same old tactics, refused to VDB because Ole doesn't play him too!
I mean, it's quite obvious that if you will to take up a national job with Austria, there would be implications involved based on his Austria job and man utd job. So either he's not intelligent/detail oriented enough to look through the contract or he simply don't care and wants a way out. Maybe both.
He's quite a joker. He used the same tactics that got Ole sacked, 4222 for the nextfew games, then 4231 the same old tactics, refused to VDB because Ole doesn't play him too!
Its funny because the same fans complaining now and blaming the club, would be the same ones saying " anyone with sense would have known that an ex-manager who failed would cause problems". In the history of the league, how many times have we seen an ex manager work alongside a current manager with no issues.
Reading some of the posts here you'd think Ralf had been a great tactical manager + gegenpressing magician + best scout in the world + best DOF in the world + great investigative journalist + great writer of exposés + would have single-handedly changed the fortunes of United from his part time consultancy role.
We have been doing that to a certain extent.
It is just that we just didn't have success with all the managers we have been hiring.
Another way of looking at it is he came here with good intentions but after working with the Glazers he wanted the feck out so found anther job!
Bingo. And this is a real problem.
Tbf, no manager after SAF got authority over decisions. It was why the likes of Jose and RR seemed to talk shite in the press.
You just hope that whoever makes decisions now gets most of them right.
Rangnick has demonstrated he can build a club from scratch. That's a different skill to developing an already established club and team. With respect to Rangnick, why the hell would ETH want him around pass his initial assessments of the team?
People are acting as if the only hope we have of becoming successful again rested on Ralf Rangnicks role as a consultant working a couple days a month? Give over. It's not that deep. Had he actually got a few results on the pitch the conversation might be different, but he was truly terrible, so why should anyone listen to him in regards to the first team? It's not like he's giving out groundbreaking snippets is it? By in large he said the team is made up of mismatches and some players aren't upto it/wanting to leave. Do we really need a consultant to tell us that? Do we need Ralf Rangnick to tell us the club hasn't been run properly for years and that's trickled onto the field? No, we don't. It's bleeding obvious.
Thanks for the effort Ralf but the truth is, you're not needed. Sure another opinion from a footballing person can only be a good thing, however Ralf fecking Rangnick not being at United is most definitely not the be all and end all.
People are acting as if the only hope we have of becoming successful again rested on Ralf Rangnicks role as a consultant working a couple days a month? Give over. It's not that deep. Had he actually got a few results on the pitch the conversation might be different, but he was truly terrible, so why should anyone listen to him in regards to the first team? It's not like he's giving out groundbreaking snippets is it? By in large he said the team is made up of mismatches and some players aren't upto it/wanting to leave. Do we really need a consultant to tell us that? Do we need Ralf Rangnick to tell us the club hasn't been run properly for years and that's trickled onto the field? No, we don't. It's bleeding obvious.
Thanks for the effort Ralf but the truth is, you're not needed. Sure another opinion from a footballing person can only be a good thing, however Ralf fecking Rangnick not being at United is most definitely not the be all and end all.
If this is true, it makes me wonder how much due dilligence Murtaugh did with him in the first place.
Bingo and based on virtually nothing, I wasn't against him being a consultant it could have been useful. But it might also be useful to keep Mike Phelan on as a consultant. But both of them leaving I doubt will have much of a negative effect (probably none) on the fortunes of Manchester United going forward.
Lets see what more comes out. Club didn’t like him talking so openly about issues with the club. I think that was behind it. He was basically saying what most local fans already know or were speculating. How badly run this club is. Now there are rumors that Ten Hag will only have 100 million pounds to spend. We saved 50 million pounds annually only by Pogba, Cavani, Mata, Lingard, Bailly and Matic leaving. Now Ten Hag will have basically no money to spend. At least not what Ole, Jose and vGaal had in their first summer. Glazers are so royally screwing our managers and fans. They already payed 25 million for dividens and another 25 million on board bonuses. Loan that was taken out last year went to Red Football plc.
Also, why did the likes of Milan and Chelsea decide not to hire him? Because, after some research/interviews, they found out that he didn't fit what they looked for?
I am saying this because, in December, some people brought up those clubs going after him before to show that he was still a class manager. But it might have been the opposite and we were the fools who bit the bullet (as usual)?
The fact he was such an utter disaster as manager must have played a part in him going.
If he'd come in and had us playing nice football, and made top 4 he'd have surely stayed on as consultant.
If he'd come in and had us playing nice football, and made top 4 he'd have surely stayed on as consultant.
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I imagine they thought Ralf would come in steady the ship, gets the players confidence back and finish 4th. They obviously didn't envisage him failing so badly.
You've got the second name right
Damn, and here I was thinking we finally had a plan and had sorted ourselves out. We never change, do we?
Previously, we hired LVG and Giggs as assistant, with a view to Giggs succeeding him. LVG gets sacked, Giggs follows, new plan altogether.
Then we hire Ole as an interim and say we'll take our time and hire a permanent manager in due course. Then we go all in on Ole after a complete fluke of a result.
I trust ETH as a manager but I said the other day I feel like he may be overconfident and naïve to think he can sort all this. That's after saying he thinks there's loads of potential in the squad. He obviously decided not to listen to Rangnick and has probably said he can do it all alone. This only reinforces my feeling so far. Hopefully it's not like the decision from Moyes to scrap all Fergies backroom staff, where we all look at that as the decision that probably set him up to fail.
Previously, we hired LVG and Giggs as assistant, with a view to Giggs succeeding him. LVG gets sacked, Giggs follows, new plan altogether.
Then we hire Ole as an interim and say we'll take our time and hire a permanent manager in due course. Then we go all in on Ole after a complete fluke of a result.
I trust ETH as a manager but I said the other day I feel like he may be overconfident and naïve to think he can sort all this. That's after saying he thinks there's loads of potential in the squad. He obviously decided not to listen to Rangnick and has probably said he can do it all alone. This only reinforces my feeling so far. Hopefully it's not like the decision from Moyes to scrap all Fergies backroom staff, where we all look at that as the decision that probably set him up to fail.
He was only appointed as the head coach at the club for around 6 months. The Milan role entailed him being both the head coach and sporting director.
Murtough's job was to try and put a plaster on the wound for 6 months, until a permanent solution was found. And the permanent solution was at Ajax who was already in a job.
Well we continually hire managers who are wrong fit for the club, these managers then move to sign players who aren't a fit for next manager.
It's the impression that just because RR summarised his thoughts on the club to the press, it means that's all he saying to the board... Basically sign Haaland & Mbappe...
I’m not an expert but the players got rid of him
A team of players come together and says he upset the dressing room. Close thread
Moyes and LVG both had full control. Moyes was too much of a ditherer to do much with it and Van Gaal gutted an experienced and replace them all with shite it took years to shift. That's why Jose never got full control.
It's not even arguable.
In an alternate universe maybe.
I really don't care whether Rangnick stay or leave. This guy fails miserably and shouldn't has any roles in the club anymore.
The most worrying part is that we are supposed to be under a new football structure but the mess of Rangnick appointment makes me feel deja vu again.
We got the interim manager appointment totally wrong, no plan to support him to give him a chance to succeed and throw away a season in Nov. I mean the football structure can be wrong sometime with manager appointment but this appointment was a total disaster. Players style not matching the coach, not allowed player reinforcement and the coach is well known for DOF instead of coaching. And there was no DOF/consultant roles after all.
No top club operates the way we do. It's shameful. The Adult Disneyland is here to stay Woodward or not. Arnold and Murtough have been part of the catastrophic failure for the last decade. If they were capable I don't think Man Utd can be the laughing stock in world football for a decade. These guys have been working in the football side of things in the club for a decade with unprecedented failure albeit in different structure. We may really need a total revamp from top to bottom in the club.
We all need to pray hard that we may hit jackpot with ETH. I don't really see anything has changed in the club apart from sacking some people here and there. The decision making for such an important appointment of manager/consultant is still appalling.
The most worrying part is that we are supposed to be under a new football structure but the mess of Rangnick appointment makes me feel deja vu again.
We got the interim manager appointment totally wrong, no plan to support him to give him a chance to succeed and throw away a season in Nov. I mean the football structure can be wrong sometime with manager appointment but this appointment was a total disaster. Players style not matching the coach, not allowed player reinforcement and the coach is well known for DOF instead of coaching. And there was no DOF/consultant roles after all.
No top club operates the way we do. It's shameful. The Adult Disneyland is here to stay Woodward or not. Arnold and Murtough have been part of the catastrophic failure for the last decade. If they were capable I don't think Man Utd can be the laughing stock in world football for a decade. These guys have been working in the football side of things in the club for a decade with unprecedented failure albeit in different structure. We may really need a total revamp from top to bottom in the club.
We all need to pray hard that we may hit jackpot with ETH. I don't really see anything has changed in the club apart from sacking some people here and there. The decision making for such an important appointment of manager/consultant is still appalling.
I think this decision of scrapping his consultancy role was taken way before not now ever since we decided to appoint ten hag and were holdings meetings with him. It was a mutual one as it wouldn’t have been good neither for Rangnick nor for ETH since their footballing philosophies are different. That’s why Rangnick decided to take the Austria job and that’s why we didn’t consult him for ten hag. He was never involved in any of the process from interview to meeting him etc.
I think it was all kept under the wraps till the season is over and ETH is appointed to keep the furore in check. As the season approached the end I never got the feeling from his press conferences that he is totally committed and knows what to do and how is gonna do it. It was always like the club need to do this, I would tell the board, hopefully we have conversations (with ETH) etc etc.
I think it was all kept under the wraps till the season is over and ETH is appointed to keep the furore in check. As the season approached the end I never got the feeling from his press conferences that he is totally committed and knows what to do and how is gonna do it. It was always like the club need to do this, I would tell the board, hopefully we have conversations (with ETH) etc etc.
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Rangnick originally had a contract with Lokomotiv Moscow until 2024.
Murtough offered a contract with Manchester United until summer 2022. Rangnick insisted on an extended role until 2024 to give him the job security he was giving up at Lokomotiv. Murtough said 'yes'. United didn't care either way.
As things turned out, Rangnick got a role for Austria until 2024. He no longer needed the job security at United. Rangnick and Murtough agreed not to bother with the extended role. United still don't care either way.
The consultancy would have been ceremonial at best. The club has already been through a massive restructure in the last few months. We'll stick with that structure for at least 2 years regardless. Rangnick would only have been talking to a brick wall. It would have been a waste of everyone's time and he knew it.
Murtough offered a contract with Manchester United until summer 2022. Rangnick insisted on an extended role until 2024 to give him the job security he was giving up at Lokomotiv. Murtough said 'yes'. United didn't care either way.
As things turned out, Rangnick got a role for Austria until 2024. He no longer needed the job security at United. Rangnick and Murtough agreed not to bother with the extended role. United still don't care either way.
The consultancy would have been ceremonial at best. The club has already been through a massive restructure in the last few months. We'll stick with that structure for at least 2 years regardless. Rangnick would only have been talking to a brick wall. It would have been a waste of everyone's time and he knew it.
Ten Hag isn't going to publicly put the players down.
It's just silly reading too much into his 'potential' remark.
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This comes off like you're comparing Ralf Rangnick to Sir Alex Ferguson.
Ultimately it comes down to two things:
1) His shitshow the past six months -- from having no filter in front of the press (whether being defensive in protecting his reputation or emotionally being immature) to such poor team performances considering Ole's sack timing was planned to coincide with the best 10 matches any incoming manager could ask for. His footballing brand or credibility was just bankrupted.
2) The current in-coming management and probably Murtough etc just lost faith in Rangnick -- and couldn't see any point of having him as the consultant. (And if there is one thing a consultant needs in order to get his ideas across is credibility. A consultant that has nothing in the (credibility) bank is just pointless.
Why have a consultant in meetings where he would not be believed or listened to? It would be disruptive in any meetings.
1) His shitshow the past six months -- from having no filter in front of the press (whether being defensive in protecting his reputation or emotionally being immature) to such poor team performances considering Ole's sack timing was planned to coincide with the best 10 matches any incoming manager could ask for. His footballing brand or credibility was just bankrupted.
2) The current in-coming management and probably Murtough etc just lost faith in Rangnick -- and couldn't see any point of having him as the consultant. (And if there is one thing a consultant needs in order to get his ideas across is credibility. A consultant that has nothing in the (credibility) bank is just pointless.
Why have a consultant in meetings where he would not be believed or listened to? It would be disruptive in any meetings.
We don't need Rangnick to become a competitive team again. Michael Zorc has retired as the Sporting director at BvB, and the replacement is former player Sebastian Kehl. Rangnick wasn't even considered.
Rangnick was a head coach in Germany that was given total control of clubs who were financially doped up by Dietmar Hopp and then Dietrich Mateschitz who is worth a reported £20b. But those clubs were built from scratch by the owners, which pissed a lot of German football fans off due to how those clubs came about.
Rangnick was a head coach in Germany that was given total control of clubs who were financially doped up by Dietmar Hopp and then Dietrich Mateschitz who is worth a reported £20b. But those clubs were built from scratch by the owners, which pissed a lot of German football fans off due to how those clubs came about.
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You've made some really good points, I think I agree with everything you said.
Rangnick had no power at the club, he inherited a team in termol and only a experienced manager could come in and turn our team around especially with the season Maguire was having.
Point blank our players are not good enough. We have a world class striker and don't get him the ball even in the final 3rd, forget Ronaldo's age, he is a beast, give him the ball and he will score. I saw a vid of him making 4 runs in the box in 15 secs and they missed him everytime with their crosses.
Rangnick was not good enough (as a coach) for the job, we need to look at who put him in the seat, if we're pointing the finger. I don't have a problem with Rangnick protecting his rep, it's a harsh world.
But we should have honoured our agreement and kept him in as a consultant.
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