Same as with Lingard's leaks about the toxic state of the dressing room. He and Rangnick are the heroes Manchester United needed. They spoke the truth and had to be removed.
Ralf Rangnick's consultancy role has been scrapped
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Of course it has. You can’t tank as badly as this season and then expect the club hierarchy to listen to you as the “expert”.
He said he'll change his style to suit these players.
In what way?
That also applies to Klopp and Conte as well, who were both called out by the Dutch coach you've quoted, who said Klopp and Conte were destroying their players. Are Klopp and Conte dinosaurs?
Nothing wrong with going back on a decision if it didn't work out. None of us have a clue what Ralf did behind the scenes, and on a bigger scale. For all we know, he might not have contributed anything and might have made matters worse.
What is sure is that he was an absolute disaster on the field, and potentially cost us CL football next season. People love to call Jose toxic for naming and shaming a few players, but this guy was doing it every week.
Our players might actually be shit, or toxic, but calling everyone out before games won't help with anything. At the very least, he could have easily just benched them or not even include them in the squad and played more youth instead. Actions speak louder than words, and none of his actions convinced me he was good.
What is sure is that he was an absolute disaster on the field, and potentially cost us CL football next season. People love to call Jose toxic for naming and shaming a few players, but this guy was doing it every week.
Our players might actually be shit, or toxic, but calling everyone out before games won't help with anything. At the very least, he could have easily just benched them or not even include them in the squad and played more youth instead. Actions speak louder than words, and none of his actions convinced me he was good.
Great! The guy was useless.
Darren Fletcher has just as much contact with the squad during training sessions and matchdays.
There can't be anything that Rangnick's is saying during press conferences that Fletcher won't already acting upon behind the scenes.
Ultimately, Fletcher is the Technical Director that Rangnick would have been reporting to anyway. So if his consultancy was about having a spy reporting on his experiences in the dressing room, it was unneeded. Especially since the dressing room dynamic will soon be completely different after the summer departures.
People who think that Rangnick was some kind of prophet for saying things in public are missing the obvious reality: far more gets said off mic than in front of the camera. None of what we read in the papers could be used as proof of his usefulness to the board.
There can't be anything that Rangnick's is saying during press conferences that Fletcher won't already acting upon behind the scenes.
Ultimately, Fletcher is the Technical Director that Rangnick would have been reporting to anyway. So if his consultancy was about having a spy reporting on his experiences in the dressing room, it was unneeded. Especially since the dressing room dynamic will soon be completely different after the summer departures.
People who think that Rangnick was some kind of prophet for saying things in public are missing the obvious reality: far more gets said off mic than in front of the camera. None of what we read in the papers could be used as proof of his usefulness to the board.
Man spoke the truth and had demands. A big no-no if you want to work here. Murtough, Fletcher and Arnold are just as useless as Woodward. Just keep the reality show working, this isn't a football club anymore. Zlatan was right 100%. And so was LVG. And Jose. Will be interesting to see how long Ten Hag lasts.
What truth? That everyone else is useless? That's not the truth, it was a lie. The truth is that Ralf was the most useless guy in this team.
So you're saying Manchester United can't sign Nkunku this summer unless Ralf Rangnick is a consultant a few days a month?
No he ended up with a poor record.
But he was not backed by anyone in United from the board to the players.
But hopefully all the knowledge he gained during his time has been handed over to ETH, so he will know which players to kick and hopfully have a better overview of how to handle the board etc.
But he was not backed by anyone in United from the board to the players.
But hopefully all the knowledge he gained during his time has been handed over to ETH, so he will know which players to kick and hopfully have a better overview of how to handle the board etc.
When all's said and done, it's hard to feel this is a good sign. Things obviously haven't worked out, in which case either the club is ignoring input it should heed, or hiring RR was an even worse decision than the on-field results indicate. Cumulatively I'm a little worried by the corporate silence over the failures of the past season, with no sense that they consider this to be a situation requiring something more than carrying on down the same path with just a few adjustments.
Surely it’s going to be harder. He was just voted as BL player of the year, above Lewandoski and Haaland. It won’t be easy to persuade him to come join us, especially when we don’t have any connection with his club.
Guys, enough with this "consultancy" myth!
You can be hired as a consultant if you have some kind of highly specialized knowledge that the company does not have. For example, in IT, you may work on hardening the company's computer network, set up guidelines, and so on.
Ralf does not have any "specialized knowledge". He was a nobody in Russia, he was extremely lucky he found this gig with us to escape from Russia just a few months before the war. And he used us as a stepping stone to become the manager of Austria, which is a crap team. The guy was useless for us.
You can be hired as a consultant if you have some kind of highly specialized knowledge that the company does not have. For example, in IT, you may work on hardening the company's computer network, set up guidelines, and so on.
Ralf does not have any "specialized knowledge". He was a nobody in Russia, he was extremely lucky he found this gig with us to escape from Russia just a few months before the war. And he used us as a stepping stone to become the manager of Austria, which is a crap team. The guy was useless for us.
I could be wrong, but Fletcher does look like a “yes man” to me who wouldn’t go anything against hierarchy of the club. I thought we might need some different voice from higher rank, especially after many years of failure under our management.
No, no it's not. We're Manchester United, not Red Bull whoever. Ralf Rangnick is most certainly not the be all and end all in signing a player like Nkunku!
People need to step back and take a breath here.
What kind of whataboutism is that? One would have to look at the individual criticisms not just say "well he criticised manager x so manager y whom he also once criticised is now justified". In this case his criticism about overtraining players was absolutely right, especially aging players already susceptible to injuries. We wouldn't actually need his authority to deduce that much. It's now accepted to take a more measured approach to workloads of injury prone players. I also don't know if Klopp has ever been in the media talking about "overtraining" but if he has then the same would apply to him
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I feel like this has more to do with Ten Hag.
Nothing about his first press conference suggested that he'd appreciate the opinions of an ex-interim-manager for 6 days of the month and take any action from anything that would be said. And fair enough, really.
Nothing about his first press conference suggested that he'd appreciate the opinions of an ex-interim-manager for 6 days of the month and take any action from anything that would be said. And fair enough, really.
What a fecking mess we are. What did he experience that made him not want to do the job he asked for in the first place?
I was really hoping he would stay and help link the football side with the boardroom. If ETH thinks he doesn't need him he could be in for a shock when he first deals with that nest of vipers upstairs.
I was really hoping he would stay and help link the football side with the boardroom. If ETH thinks he doesn't need him he could be in for a shock when he first deals with that nest of vipers upstairs.
This is not whataboutism but rather asking you to be consistent. You cited a fitness coach to point out why you think Moyes was a Dinosaur, which was fitness related and not coaching or tactical. But the same Dutch fitness coach also called out Klopp, Conte and Pochettino for adopting outdated fitness methods. So if Moyes is a Dinosaur in that regard, so are the likes of Klopp, Conte and Pochettino.
People, even rich people, don't tend to just give up on money so easily. Also, there's the football side - players want to play in the CL.
The downing tools is an easy excuse for me. When teams are mismanaged they crumble.
He was never going to be well received was he? He wanted to make changes, big big changes from the top.
The whole point of Ralf was to be interim manager until a full time manager was appointed, while also analysing the set up behind the scenes. He's constantly highlighted areas of improvement in the media and spoke of long term change.
Our whole background set up is probably 10yrs behind where it needs to be and we have a toxic dressing room. Was anyone going to like a strong character like Ralf coming in and ripping it up and talking like it is?
I think ultimately Ralf didnt feel the club was upto implementing what he wanted, and Ten Hag seems a strong personality who wants things his way.
While it doesnt look like it now, I think the long term plan for Ralf was sound - it just didnt work out for various reasons
Yup. When nobody knows what their direction is supposed to be they’ll all go in separate directions and look lost. They’ll also lose motivation.
It's not consistency, you're just trying to apply a broad stroke to a situation that calls for specificity. You think something he said about klopp is going to make something he said about moyes overtraining a player any less dated. If you're so sure then post what he said about Klopp and let's see how it compares to something as specific as Moyes saying he overtrained Van persie to get him fit.
Your point doesn't even seem to realise the message is valid with or without said coach saying it. Load and fatigue management is already the norm in modern training methods. It's rather trying to hinge on the individual rather than the message. Throw away the quotes and the point stands firm on its own. We're really here defending Moyes doing something foolish just because Murtough was his sports scientist.
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Yep many couldn't wait for Carrick and McKenna to leave once Solskjaer was sacked so convinced were they that Ole and his incompetent coaches were holding us back. Some of those same posters have now spent the last few weeks telling anyone that will listen that Ralf failed because those same coaches left.
It doesn't make anything he said about Moyes anymore or any less relevant than what he said about Klopp, Pochettino, Conte in the context you're referring to when it comes to fitness.
Yes he was, but Austria is not a crap team. They're upper mid-tier in Europe.
Would a manager as successful and by all accounts, intelligent listen to the likes of rangnick after the past few months of sure performance? Maybe get 10% out of the report at best
The problem was he was recruited into the wrong role. He was much better qualified for a football director type role than the two people we have, however we aren't interested in appointing competent people to those roles only yes men who won't rock the boat too much
If ETH needs Ralf Rangnick to asses a squad of players for him then we are in trouble. Thankfully he obviously doesn't need or want that advice, he's an experienced and fairly successful coach in his own right. He'll form his own impressions of the players when he gets started as any manager worth their salt would.
Hopefully yesterdays news can finally put to bed these nonsense ''Assessment'' and ''Dossier'' myths that have been floating around for the last 6 months. Ralf was here to manage the first team, nothing more. That was the real ''Big Picture'' that some just couldn't see.
As mentioned above, you lose expert status in a situation that you have been placed in, and failed to substantially improve the Team (a thing).
RR would be like a bad smell around the place, a reminder of lacklusterness. Glad he has gone.
RR would be like a bad smell around the place, a reminder of lacklusterness. Glad he has gone.
Just to be clear.
My judgement is based on what he has said about what needs to happen at United.
Ralf - Came in for 6 months. Ask the players to run. Got thrown under a bus.
I agree with you that he was recruited for the wrong role. That was a stupid decision from the club. It was a stupid decison from Ralf as well to accept it (although you could argue most people would like to have a crack at the job).
What I meant was that maybe his consultation role was not up to the mark (speculation here), and it's better that he left. He's not exactly had a huge amount of experience with big clubs. Maybe he was out of his depth. If this is the case, and we chose to move decisively, that's better than just sticking with him for no reason. Only time will tell I suppose.
This is clearly not the case. We were told he would take on a longer term consultancy role, which is presumably ‘upstairs’, and this now isn’t happening. Whatever the plan was, it has changed, and it doesn’t reflect well on Murtough and those in charge of footballing operations.
I would have preferred he was kept at the club. He’s not the man to manage but as a football director he’s got good credibility. We’ve already got that position filled however.
Also taking the Austria job didn’t help his case. I think having Ralf as a behind the scenes troubleshooter will allow ETH to focus on getting this team up to speed.
Also taking the Austria job didn’t help his case. I think having Ralf as a behind the scenes troubleshooter will allow ETH to focus on getting this team up to speed.
No one is suggesting he is the “be all end all” factor in signing these players. But he would make things easier to convince him to come/ RB team to let him go with his connections over there.
THe whole consultancy role was always very dubious. giving the impression that there was a plan. I assume ETH not that interested in working with him. But again really concerning to see nothing has really changed, stumble from one short term fix to the next. We really lacking in top level experience in the DOF role, which will sadly hamper the team and club over the next few years.
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