Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[Robbie Boy]

Of course, it can be talked about and yes it should have been handled earlier but whats the point in talking about it now. Posters are impatient and are bashing the club for not sacking and now cause RR doesnt have a visa already as if its the clubs fault. Its like there always has to be some reason to cry about.
As for Ole's managerial spell, we dont agree but its not an appropriate thread anyway.

Because it's a forum and people are entitled to air their grievances. I'm not going to go bitching about it, but if others do, I have no issue with that.

Well, yeah, my views on his managerial stint are pretty balanced I would say. If you don't agree, I ain't got an issue, it is what it is.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

It's already been said, but it doesn't get any less baffling that the club opted to not use the international break to source a replacement and sort out all of the admin involved. In no way should Watford have been the make or break game. A win would have proven nothing. Looking like a lower league team on our turf against our two biggest rivals should have been it. If not before.

They didn't even use that time to prepare for the supposed make or break game. They sent the man on holiday. Bonkers.

 

[TsuWave]

It's already been said, but it doesn't get any less baffling that the club opted to not use the international break to source a replacement and sort out all of the admin involved. In no way should Watford have been the make or break game. A win would have proven nothing. Looking like a lower league team on our turf against our two biggest rivals should have been it. If not before.

They didn't even use that time to prepare for the supposed make or break game. They sent the man on holiday. Bonkers.

If United had one of those all or nothing documentaries, it would win best comedy at the academy awards.

 

[Foxbatt]

We waited two weeks, lost 4-1 against Watford and then sacked our manager. Have a word with yourself.

It was daft, Rangnick would have been a couple games in with likely same or even better results, with better team cohesion in for the subsequent games. In a league where top 4 gets decided by the finest of margins, its daft to insinuate sacking AFTER internationals is not a feck up.

Didn't we lose the 4th place under LVG due to goal difference?

 

[Foxbatt]

If Arsene now comes back as a coach in the PL he would also have to go thru the same process? I mean it is ridiculous. You have people who is not even fit to lick the shoes of these people deciding on their competency.

 

[Godfather]

Logic would suggest it’s not United twiddling their thumbs

We defy logic at times though. Not suggesting we are delaying things this time but feck me how have we not done all that during the internationals. Mind boggling. Let's just hope he'll be ready for the weekend.

 

[ChaddyP]

They're not going to go through his phone and laptop Under what authority? I'm assuming they'd need proof that he's been working before they can try determine if that actually was the case, otherwise I find it hard to believe that for no reason other than you applying for a work visa, these border services have complete authority to go through absolutely anyone's private phone and laptop with the aim of proving you were working so that they can reject your application

This happens all the time especially in the USA. Know multiple people that have lost visas due to that very issue. Going through MIA airport traveling on a B1/B2 visa , immigration interrogates them , finds them extremely suspicious confiscate phone and laptop and find work related emails. Deported next flight back visa cancelled.

 

[BrilliantOrange]

Agreed, I think Pogba will mostly be a sub til the end of the season. In all honesty, most other managers wouldn't even have taken him into this season, it was a weird blind spot for Ole. I suspect he'll be a backup for Bruno, and even then, might share that time with VDB.

This is bulsshit right...
Kessie is playing a lot for Milan
Mazraoui is playing a lot for Ajax
Brozovic is playing a lot for Inter
Mbappe is plyaing a lot for PSG
Dybala is plyaing a lot for Juve

They are all in the same boat as Pogba and being played by their managers..

EDIT:
See here: https://www.transfermarkt.nl/statistik/endendevertraege

Rudiger, Denis Zakaria, Nicolas Sule, Ousmane Dembele, Remo Freuler.. The list goes on...

 

[matherto]

This is bulsshit right...
Kessie is playing a lot for Milan
Mazraoui is playing a lot for Ajax
Brozovic is playing a lot for Inter
Mbappe is plyaing a lot for PSG
Dybala is plyaing a lot for Juve

They are all in the same boat as Pogba and being played by their managers..

EDIT:
See here: https://www.transfermarkt.nl/statistik/endendevertraege

Rudiger, Denis Zakaria, Nicolas Sule, Ousmane Dembele, Remo Freuler.. The list goes on...

How many of them are actively causing issues with their agent and dallying over contracts with near permanent off the field shenanigans over their future?

Mbappe is the only one I can think of that is similar.

 

[Salford_Red83]

We waited two weeks, lost 4-1 against Watford and then sacked our manager. Have a word with yourself.

It was daft, Rangnick would have been a couple games in with likely same or even better results, with better team cohesion in for the subsequent games. In a league where top 4 gets decided by the finest of margins, its daft to insinuate sacking AFTER internationals is not a feck up.

Sacking a manager after an international break, when he should have been sacked before or during, is akin to a manager making a substitution when the opposition team has a corner.

Short sites and stupid.

 

[largelyworried]

This is bulsshit right...
Kessie is playing a lot for Milan
Mazraoui is playing a lot for Ajax
Brozovic is playing a lot for Inter
Mbappe is plyaing a lot for PSG
Dybala is plyaing a lot for Juve

They are all in the same boat as Pogba and being played by their managers..

EDIT:
See here: https://www.transfermarkt.nl/statistik/endendevertraege

Rudiger, Denis Zakaria, Nicolas Sule, Ousmane Dembele, Remo Freuler.. The list goes on...

And if I was only talking about the length of their contract, that would be a valid point! But I'm not, so.

 

[BrilliantOrange]

How many of them are actively causing issues with their agent and dallying over contracts with near permanent off the field shenanigans over their future?

Mbappe is the only one I can think of that is similar.

Dont know about most indeed...

But Ajax currently has this issue with Onana (big soap, doesnt want to renew after he was caught with illegal substance and suspended for a year.. Ten Hag has now taken him in again and played him against Besiktas). Ajax also has the same thing with Mazraoui who's agent is Raiola who is lobbying for him abroad. Ten Hag still plays him almost every match.

But I can imagine that for most of the players I mention the club wants to renew but the player/agent are weighing out their options across Europa.. (which is basically what is happening now with Pogba).

And if that I was only talking about the length of their contract, that would be a valid point! But I'm not, so.

Ok, fair enough.. What's your additional point, Im curious. .

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

The Watford result gave them no option. What do you think the holiday out of the country was for? It was to give them and ole breathing space and thinking space. The Watford result simply got the whole board on the same page, they were split up to that point

We should stop banging on about the international break, a decision hadn’t been made. Once the decision had been made I have to credit the club with what they’ve come up with. We just need to have patience and let the work permit process take its course

I enjoyed this post.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

If he liked Poulsen so much at Leipzig, he might love Lingard as a forward.

 

[smi11ie]

It's Ralf Rangnick, the ultimate ideologue in German football, he's not a very pragmatic football manager. He'd rather lose by a ton than compromise on his ideas. I'd be very surprised if we don't see changes quite immediately. He's had his teams playing one brand of football since the 80s, at all levels of German football. He doesn't sit back, he doesn't take a step back and he does not rest. He demands complete authority and uses that authority from day one. The football will be high pressing, high intensity attacking probably coached with a giant countdown clock at the training ground - you have 10 seconds to score, if you fail start over again out of possession. There will be a much needed professionalism to the training, but this will not be easy on players and it would be surprising to say the least if Rangnick plays anything other than high-octane football from day one.

We'll be hearing tons of stories of diet changes, saliva, blood and urine tests, high intensity training sessions, weirdly specific bans on various foods and behaviours. Heck he might even ban the players from driving fancy cars because that makes them too lazy and entitled when they haven't achieved anything yet this season. Some players will live it and love it, and some will probably fall apart completely. To be fair that is what should be required at an elite club. It is long overdue but it is risky to throw that in there mid season.

If rumours are true that Ole was too friendly with the playing staff, they are about to have a rude awakening. Rangnick is generally well liked by his players, but he's known as a strict and meticulous control freak in football. Which to be fair is not something new for ManUtd. We're throwing a live grenade into this squad and hoping it blows up the right way. If it works we reboot the training culture, level of professionalism, demands players are under and create an environment for elite sports analysis and performance.

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Nice post. I guess alot of the training sessions will be Press-Counter Press. I hope to see Ralf use the full squad which he probably will due to fatigue, etc.

 

[L1nk]

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

So let me get this right...

His expertise and competency is being judged by a few apes wearing FA suits (probably paid for by Pogba's sending off) who probably can't even spell gegenpress.

Okay.

 

[Cloud7]

It's Ralf Rangnick, the ultimate ideologue in German football, he's not a very pragmatic football manager. He'd rather lose by a ton than compromise on his ideas. I'd be very surprised if we don't see changes quite immediately. He's had his teams playing one brand of football since the 80s, at all levels of German football. He doesn't sit back, he doesn't take a step back and he does not rest. He demands complete authority and uses that authority from day one. The football will be high pressing, high intensity attacking probably coached with a giant countdown clock at the training ground - you have 10 seconds to score, if you fail start over again out of possession. There will be a much needed professionalism to the training, but this will not be easy on players and it would be surprising to say the least if Rangnick plays anything other than high-octane football from day one.

We'll be hearing tons of stories of diet changes, saliva, blood and urine tests, high intensity training sessions, weirdly specific bans on various foods and behaviours. Heck he might even ban the players from driving fancy cars because that makes them too lazy and entitled when they haven't achieved anything yet this season. Some players will live it and love it, and some will probably fall apart completely. To be fair that is what should be required at an elite club. It is long overdue but it is risky to throw that in there mid season.

If rumours are true that Ole was too friendly with the playing staff, they are about to have a rude awakening. Rangnick is generally well liked by his players, but he's known as a strict and meticulous control freak in football. Which to be fair is not something new for ManUtd. We're throwing a live grenade into this squad and hoping it blows up the right way. If it works we reboot the training culture, level of professionalism, demands players are under and create an environment for elite sports analysis and performance.

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This is intriguing. This sort of manic, obsessed with the game type of manager, like Pep, is probably what we need after two managers in succession that poorly coached the team.

 

[golden_blunder]

We defy logic at times though. Not suggesting we are delaying things this time but feck me how have we not done all that during the internationals. Mind boggling. Let's just hope he'll be ready for the weekend.

We have not done it during the internationals because we haven’t made up our minds yet to sack him. It was a split board. Really quite simple to understand. Now if you’re asking instead why didn’t we make up our minds to sack him during the internationals that’s a different question, but not everyone comes to decisions at the same pace

 

[crossy1686]

If Arsene now comes back as a coach in the PL he would also have to go thru the same process? I mean it is ridiculous. You have people who is not even fit to lick the shoes of these people deciding on their competency.

Probably has a UK passport now.

 

[crossy1686]

So let me get this right...

His expertise and competency is being judged by a few apes wearing FA suits (probably paid for by Pogba's sending off) who probably can't even spell gegenpress.

Okay.

No, they're just turning up to sign some papers over a brew to justify the £20k they're getting paid.

 

[crossy1686]

If he liked Poulsen so much at Leipzig, he might love Lingard as a forward.

Can't see past a forward line that contains at least 3 of Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood or Lingard. Fred's already proven in the last two games that if you play him higher up and tell him to press, he's possibly our best player at doing it also, McTomminay isn't bad at it either.

We might actually find ourselves in a position where our "better off the ball" midfield actually look good.

 

[sugar_kane]

Feel strangely flat about all of this, the whole Ole sacking was fairly bruising (justified, but depressing all the same) and this feels like another about turn in club strategy - and all the associated PR is just wearing, as is all the social media buzz from people who almost certainly know nothing about Rangnick, and will probably be the first ones moaning about him being washed up in a few months.

I’m intrigued to see how he will set us up, and what sort of impact we might see tactically, but our squad is still completely unbalanced and full of lazy, low football IQ players just happy to take home a fat salary for minimum effort. I reckon it’ll only be a few months before we start hearing about unhappy players.

The visa stuff just adds to the tedium.

 

[crossy1686]

Feel strangely flat about all of this, the whole Ole sacking was fairly bruising (justified, but depressing all the same) and this feels like another about turn in club strategy - and all the associated PR is just wearing, as is all the social media buzz from people who almost certainly know nothing about Rangnick, and will probably be the first ones moaning about him being washed up in a few months.

I’m intrigued to see how he will set us up, and what sort of impact we might see tactically, but our squad is still completely unbalanced and full of lazy, low football IQ players just happy to take home a fat salary for minimum effort. I reckon it’ll only be a few months before we start hearing about unhappy players.

The visa stuff just adds to the tedium.

I disagree with the stuff in bold.

Reports from people close to the club are that the decision to appoint Rangnick was made by football men, not Woodward or the Glazers.

Murtough spent 2 months at Leipzig when Rangnick was there to get the low down on what United felt at the time was the best academy in European football. He tried to convince him then to come to United and do the same but he didn't want to leave Leipzig at the time, he was said to have super impressed with Rangnick and recommended him for the job after Solskjaer.

Fletcher and Murtough apparently did the interviewing and Fletch was the one who said that Rangnick interviewed the best and was the best candidate for the role. He put him forward as his first choice. This is absolutely a move away from what the club have done before, which was appoint the man with the biggest rep or best CV.

I agree that the social media buzz is lame, especially if he starts badly but I honestly couldn't care about what rival fans or any social media warrior says. If they ever had a season ticket at United they would know about real fan culture.

The squad isn't lazy, stupid or overpaid, they're just mismanaged and frustrated at how things have gone. Sure, there's a few players that aren't good enough but we're in a better place than we were post LVG or Jose.

 

[Leftback99]

Feel strangely flat about all of this, the whole Ole sacking was fairly bruising (justified, but depressing all the same) and this feels like another about turn in club strategy - and all the associated PR is just wearing, as is all the social media buzz from people who almost certainly know nothing about Rangnick, and will probably be the first ones moaning about him being washed up in a few months.

I’m intrigued to see how he will set us up, and what sort of impact we might see tactically, but our squad is still completely unbalanced and full of lazy, low football IQ players just happy to take home a fat salary for minimum effort. I reckon it’ll only be a few months before we start hearing about unhappy players.

The visa stuff just adds to the tedium.

I feel similar. I think it will be a slow process with these players who have been cruising for too long. Many won't like it.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Can't see past a forward line that contains at least 3 of Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood or Lingard. Fred's already proven in the last two games that if you play him higher up and tell him to press, he's possibly our best player at doing it also, McTomminay isn't bad at it either.

We might actually find ourselves in a position where our "better off the ball" midfield actually look good.

If McT can rediscover his goalscoring touch, that'd be nice.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I disagree with the stuff in bold.

Reports from people close to the club are that the decision to appoint Rangnick was made by football men, not Woodward or the Glazers.

Murtough spent 2 months at Leipzig when Rangnick was there to get the low down on what United felt at the time was the best academy in European football. He tried to convince him then to come to United and do the same but he didn't want to leave Leipzig at the time, he was said to have super impressed with Rangnick and recommended him for the job after Solskjaer.

Fletcher and Murtough apparently did the interviewing and Fletch was the one who said that Rangnick interviewed the best and was the best candidate for the role. He put him forward as his first choice. This is absolutely a move away from what the club have done before, which was appoint the man with the biggest rep or best CV.

I agree that the social media buzz is lame, especially if he starts badly but I honestly couldn't care about what rival fans or any social media warrior says. If they ever had a season ticket at United they would know about real fan culture.

The squad isn't lazy, stupid or overpaid, they're just mismanaged and frustrated at how things have gone. Sure, there's a few players that aren't good enough but we're in a better place than we were post LVG or Jose.

Agree with this.

Though, the social media buzz is to be expected, as this is the kind of forward thinking strategy that many had been longing for. I don't expect a massive instantaneous upturn in performances, though I think we will certainly look better than Ole's final months at the helm.

The appointment of Rangnick is obviously with the longterm in mind, and I for one, am delighted we are finally looking at a proper longterm vision. It took Pep and Klopp time to instill their respective philosophies, and it will take Rangnick time too. I still expect some will have the knives out early on if he doesn't instantly transform us, but those fans clearly aren't aware that this is a longterm strategy.

 

[Rightnr]

If McT can rediscover his goalscoring touch, that'd be nice.

How do you rediscover something you've never discovered in the first place?

 

[Seven Seas Sardines]

If he liked Poulsen so much at Leipzig, he might love Lingard as a forward.

Yeah, great target man our Jessie.

 

[Paxi]

 

[stefan92]

As this is news from Falk, in reality Rangnick probably called Tuchel to just mock him for Werner's finishing or something like that.

 

[L1nk]

I learned the hard way, this is the guy that said around the Liverpool game that Rangnick still wanted the job, then days before he signed he said Rangnick didn't want the job because discussions went bad in 2019, then had to crawl back saying his source was wrong when it came out we were hiring him, wouldn't trust him with a barge pole. I'd actually want Timo Werner here for the record, if he can recapture his Leipzig form it would be a hell of a signing

 

[spiriticon]

Timo Werner...yikes.

Heard Benteke's coming into form too.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Yeah, great target man our Jessie.

I don't know understand where this comment even comes from, Poulsen is not a target man.

 

[Stobzilla]

I don't know understand where this comment even comes from, Poulsen is not a target man.

ugg, Poulsen tall =Target man ugg.

 

[crossy1686]

Agree with this.

Though, the social media buzz is to be expected, as this is the kind of forward thinking strategy that many had been longing for. I don't expect a massive instantaneous upturn in performances, though I think we will certainly look better than Ole's final months at the helm.

The appointment of Rangnick is obviously with the longterm in mind, and I for one, am delighted we are finally looking at a proper longterm vision. It took Pep and Klopp time to instill their respective philosophies, and it will take Rangnick time too. I still expect some will have the knives out early on if he doesn't instantly transform us, but those fans clearly aren't aware that this is a longterm strategy.

Exactly.

I’m pretty sure at some point there will be the cries of “he’s won nothing!” from the usual suspects but the hysterical are less and less acknowledged these days.

 

[hasanejaz88]

I don't know understand where this comment even comes from, Poulsen is not a target man.

Poulsen is a target man. He gave them an option to hit long half quickly on the counter from him to either head on or hold on the ball and then distribute.

Absolutely nothing like Lingard. Lingard would actually be attractive as a midfielder for him, his energy on and off the ball would be vital under Ralf.

 

[crossy1686]

Timo Werner...yikes.

Heard Benteke's coming into form too.

Think I’d prefer Benteke over Werner. He just isn’t a goal scorer, no where lethal enough in front of goal to be at a top club.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

How do you rediscover something you've never discovered in the first place?

He scored 7 last season and 5 the year before, which is fine for a midfielder who plays deeper but he is yet to scratch so far. He has the ability to get some goals if he plays further up the pitch in a box to box role.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Poulsen is a target man. He gave them an option to hit long half quickly on the counter from him to either head on or hold on the ball and then distribute.

Absolutely nothing like Lingard. Lingard would actually be attractive as a midfielder for him, his energy on and off the ball would be vital under Ralf.

At least for Denmark, he plays further forward because he is energetic and hard working. His finishing and passing is actually poorer than Lingard, although he is more physical in his play.