Refresh my memory, how did his management spell go at Hull City as I thought he got them relegated.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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You call that shit-show of barely surviving thanks to De Gea heroics, us being very lucky, and Chelsea's finishing being trash a "quality solid performance"? You are drunk, mate. If not on alcohol then on euphoria.
I am super happy with the result, but quality of our game was same old "let's get lucky and let's hope moments of brilliance saves us" garbage.
You can’t help but feel excited finally, hopefully, we reinforce our midfield in January to give him a chance.
It’s a purely financial decision in my opinion. They just got extensions and I don’t think they’re prepared to write off their investment. We know how desperate the board were to keep Ole despite the fact that it was all burning down.
I have nothing against the coaches individually but this lack of accountability has been widespread throughout the club for years. Undeserved contract extensions and nepotistic/unqualified appointments have been all too frequent and I think it’s a culture we’d do well to get rid of.
Ralf Rangnick said: “I am excited to be joining Manchester United and focused on making this a successful season for the club.
“The squad is full of talent and has a great balance of youth and experience. All my efforts for the next six months will be on helping these players fulfil their potential, both individually and, most importantly, as a team.
“Beyond that, I look forward to supporting the club’s longer-term goals on a consultancy basis.”
Chelsea and AC Milan certainly tried last year but didn’t succeed and for the past decade, he’s been running the Red Bull clubs, to the point when he left last year, both Leipzig and Salzburg are now considered regular Champions League teams, and undoubtedly Red Bull have compensated him a lot during that time.
Someone has to wear the shorts.
Exactly, plus they all got bumper new contracts a month or so ago, so no suprise. If Ragnick thinks they are no good he will have them on cone stacking duties until the summer.
And more recently he was coauthor of Ole's demise. It is also very telling that Carrick was put as interim over Phelan. Made no sense other than Phelan is an empty space
Coach.. just because Ole didn't work out, doesn't mean every inexperienced coach is bad. Again, like I said, Carrick and Mkenna were here before Ole.
They dont have to become Manutd managers.
Its like saying just because very successful managers and coaches in LVG and Jose failed, we should stop hiring coaches who have been successful.
We saw all of them. Fail.
Sounds like you expected a whole change of tactics and miracles just because Ole left
Yeah, I'm not sure where this idea everyone had to be fired comes from. The coaches do what they're told by the manager. From what we've heard McKenna in particular is highly rated and Carrick isn't in the role that long so I'd be surprised if they were incapable of working with Rangnick and following his instructions. Besides, the new permanent manager will bring his own staff in anyway.
I'm glad the appointment is finally official and hopefully the visa's sorted quickly so he can get to work.
The following are people with the safest job in the world:
- McKennot
- Michael Carrot
Well yeah, but there's no point creating the divide before the guy has even arrived, that's my point.
It's the Goldbridge/Scholes meta.
So finally we get there, the pattern.
SAF's coaches apparently did what SAF told them, but the same coaches for Ole did what? Whatever the feck they liked? Don't be fecking stupid. And what, they will do whatever the feck they like even when Ralf tells them? And what, Ralf won't sack em if they just start coaching shit however they fancy?
Can you even hear yourself?
A top manager will make his coaches look good, and vice versa.
Won't surprise me if it is the club that won't pay out Phelan's contract.
Refreshing to see the club finally making sensible footballing decisions
I think it's a fair assessment. They are coaches who have lasted through two different managers, both of whom failed. I think it's understandable that they receive a fair degree of scrutiny. Not saying that they should all get the boot, but there's probably a good case for saying they all still shouldn't be there.
I hope we retain Carrick, even if he is coaching the reserves, he handled himself well as the interim and there is something about his demeanor that strikes me well.
I hope Visa does not reject Ralf.
I don’t understand why anyone would not be alarmed by it tbh. It only makes sense financially and does not seem to be for pure footballing reasons. I say this because... First it not usually the done thing for a manager to leave and then leave his coaching staff behind...it suggests some sort of disharmony in the first instance. Second it is an odd move for a new coach to assess existing coaches while simultaneously implementing an new style of play- that’s quite risky no? Third these coaches have been part of a very suspect regime in terms of creating an genuine favouritism among certain cohorts within the squad and surely a clean slate is best...all young players and out of favour players working their socks off because they feel with a new managerial team they have a real shot at turning things round...keeping the majority of that team is a bit flakey and you risk losing that new manger “bounce” that so often occurs...finally...if Carrick and co stick around...that surely has implications for any new prospective full time coach being that the vast majority will want their own trusted men in place to take on one of the most highly scrutinised jobs in world football...
It makes no sense other then to save a few bob on wages. We are talking first team coaches here...not admin assistants. It also smacks of good vibes and dna shite which does not have to mean that you litterally have an ex player in every dug out.
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Hes 59, so not exactly bound for the retirement home just yet.
Though he should really be a bit more ambitious and try his hand at management again. I know his stint at Hull was very poor, but no reason why he couldn't give it a go in the championship.
This is encouraging.
Seems to me he has been making a living out of putting everything in place for nothing clubs to become established big clubs.
We are a big club for long being run like a nothing club, so could do with a bit of that.
He can use Mastercard if it does.
Is demanding they be sacked "scrutiny"? 'Cause to me it just sounds reactive. The manager sets the terms, the staff work to them. Glibness aside I find it hard to hold Mpurinhos reign against anyone other than Mourinho. Ole, I can perhaps see more of the other side, but Carrick to me has shown some astuteness this week in stabilising the absolute Trainwreck we've been on the field (though I know others disagree).
As I said upthread, if Rangnick is truly this wizard, then let him work out what he can get from them and their usefulness.
There was nothing particularly good about our last 2 games. We were more pragmatic and defensive but still gave up 24 shots against Chelsea and would have lost if Lukaku started Even Villareal could have went the other way. Phelan has no use anymore, it’s not a disrespect more so the game passing him by.
Looks like the Glazers found their new SAF. Rangnik asked for a lot of power and got it. Similarly, SAF, was known as serial club builder for his job at St Mirren and Aberdeen before appointment at United.
This is definitely a step in the right direction and I would speculate that if we now go on a run in CL and finish top 4 he will end up as our permanent manager. Conversely, if we lose four games in a row playing badly he will be gone -it’s a tough old game
There's different kind of managers and this is something you seem unable to get. Some are more hands-on, some are more hands-off. Ole is the latter. Rangnick is the former. But that still doesn't mean McKenna and Carrick are good enough at this level. Nothing much has changed since Carrick took over as interim - we still play the same dour football and the tactics are beyond negative, which points to the fact that Ole wasn't the only problem.
A top manager might make the coaches LOOK good, but he won't make them good. There's a bit of a difference there. This is the third coach Carrick and McKenna have been under. It certainly didn't take Guardiola this long for his genius to come through or SAF's. If Carrick still can't get it at this point, then he's simply not good enough.
Wonder who he'll get in January.
The fact that Rangnick was in a job and had no need to accept our offer, makes me think he got what he wanted in negotiations and might actually see Carrick, Phelan and McKenna's experience of a) winning titles in a league he has no experience in and b) knowledge of the players and the ways to get the best out of them, quite useful. No?
Mckenna doesn't fit with that
Hmm, consultant for Lokomotiv Moscow, or interim manager for one of the biggest clubs in the world before moving onto a long term backroom position. Tough one, this...
Charity FC. We've even got teams like Lokomotiv taking pity on us and given us staff for free so he can't be world class.
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