Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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It's not sudden is it? Starting players like Shaw, AWB, our midfield weren't good enough then not good enough now. Yes we got 2nd, in a season where Liverpool and Chelsea were a mess. Is the Ole finishing 2nd going to be held like some grand achievement like Jose's 2nd now?

I 100% think some of these players are better than what we're seeing and will be better under Ten Hag, but I also think some utterly stink and should never wear the shirt again, unfortunately there's a crossover there, because some of these players will try for a bit, then down tools once again.
You say Ole not good enough and our players not good enough yet we ended second. Thus there is quality in our team.

Shaw had a really good season and is a good player.

No the biggest problem for us is poor managers. SAF would win the league with this Squad and 2-3 signings.
 
Ralf isn't blameless, he should have read the room better on these bunch of cnuts and at least pretended to be their friend until the season ended before sticking the dagger in, but my word this lot will get absolutely any manager in the world sacked. Cowards of the highest order
He definitely isn't but I don't think he fully realized what he was getting himself into but he can definitely rectify a lot of that by helping to make these cnuts feck off from our club , if he does so a lot of United fans will be indebted to him for a long time.
For now though he will go through hell till the season ends .
 
Will never understand why we brought him in a manager position. If he is so competent in other areas, we should have offered him a different position at the club, but not management.
There were much better options out there and the season wasn't over when he came.
We have basically shot ourselves in both feet by hiring him:
- Terrible results, no CL football next season
- We are a disaster under him the image our of club suffers a lot
 
You say Ole not good enough and our players not good enough yet we ended second. Thus there is quality in our team.

Shaw had a really good season and is a good player.

No the biggest problem for us is poor managers. SAF would win the league with this Squad.
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That's a fecking stretch!

They won't even put a tackle in. All SAF's side's had fight and determination. Keane even said yesterday he didn't recognise the club anymore after that performance. These players would get Fergie sacked.
 
Because we're looking past these results and more interested in the long term effect he has on the club. I am tired of short fixes and stop-gap methods. We need to change everything from the core.

It’s funny we are now over 400 pages of talking about RR’s performance. He clearly is more of an architect than a coach at this point. He could not galvanise the team that is clear but let’s not be lazy in that analysis. He should take some of the blame but look at the context or the pile of dung he was dropped into. Player power rampant, deficient management structure, wrong culture from the top, everything all of us have been saying for years. Is it a wonder the players never rallied around an interim? What amazes me is how so many on here say he is wank but do not look at the entire dynamic which he operates in.
 
You say Ole not good enough and our players not good enough yet we ended second. Thus there is quality in our team.

Shaw had a really good season and is a good player.

No the biggest problem for us is poor managers. SAF would win the league with this Squad and 2-3 signings.

Sigh amazing that there's still Utd fans who can't see what's happening right in front of them. You'll be blaming Ten Hag when the same bunch of useless wasters try and get him sacked, if, crucially, they're kept around and allowed to.
 
Will never understand why we brought him in a manager position. If he is so competent in other areas, we should have offered him a different position at the club, but not management.
There were much better options out there and the season wasn't over when he came.
We have basically shot ourselves in both feet by hiring him:
- Terrible results, no CL football next season
- We are a disaster under him the image our of club suffers a lot

Hindsight is 20/20 and I’m not defending RR. But aside from Conte, who was available at the time who fit the bill? PSG were not going to let Poch go. ETH would not have abandoned Ajax. Conte would have been a Jose version 2 and would have been short term.
 
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That's a fecking stretch!

They won't even put a tackle in. All SAF's side's had fight and determination. Keane even said yesterday he didn't recognise the club anymore after that performance. These players would get Fergie sacked.
I say our biggest problem is not effort it is tactics and strategy. The players look lost and confidence is destroyed. SAF would raise confidence levels for sure.
 
Hindsight is 20/20 and I’m not defending RR. But aside from Conte, who was available at the time who fit the bill? PSG were not going to let Poch go. ETH would not have abandoned Ajax. Conte would have been a Jose version 2 and would have been short term.
Conte would have quit by now or battered the entire dressing room :lol:

If you think our squad would have been professional enough to follow Conte's training and diet regime? if they think Rangnick is bad they've got another thing coming.
 
I say our biggest problem is not effort it is tactics and strategy. The players look lost and confidence is destroyed. SAF would raise confidence levels for sure.

Why didn't they buy into Ralf's tactics and strategy then? He basically said they abandoned the plan within 10 minutes last night? I used to say the stuff you are now, but enough is enough. Some of these players are just totally rotten, and they might just be the player we all used to like and think were the good ones.
 
I say our biggest problem is not effort it is tactics and strategy. The players look lost and confidence is destroyed. SAF would raise confidence levels for sure.
Mate, Ralf come's out every week and talks about tactics on the fly, the guy knows this stuff inside out, and if you don't believe him then look at what Klopp, Tuchel and Ten Hag have all said about him. The players either can't do it, don't understand or refuse to do it. And it doesn't matter where you tell a player to stand or run, or which zone to occupy if they're not even willing to fight. We didn't even pick up a single yellow until late in the game yesterday, that's at Liverpool away and 3-0 down...

SAF wasn't even a tactician anyway, he relied on his leaders on the pitch to put performances in and bring the game down to a fight if that was our best chance of winning. If you think Ten Hag is magically going to get this group of players winning things you're going to be super disappointed come January.
 
He’s not done the business but I don’t mind him going upstairs. I think you can tell he thinks these players are a bunch of clowns and knows the rebuild ahead. We need someone like that who wants to build the football team rather than just keeping all the overpriced shit we’ve bought because we don’t want to make a loss on them.
 
If the club's goal was always to hire a poch or eth type manager over a Conte type then hiring Ralf made a lot of sense and still does.

The options for interim manager was small and any interim manager would have struggled with this squad. Yes you could have put Ralf immediately upstairs and had a different interim manager but when you look at the options that were available for interim manager I don't think anyone can be confident that they would be doing better than Ralf with this group of players.

For me as long as we at least get europa league im fine. The biggest advantage is that Ralf will have intimate knowledge of these players to help ETH and the DoF to make decisions this summer. Yeah its easy to get swept away by someone like Micah Richards saying why didn't we hire Conte, but to me hiring Ralf made and still makes sense.
 
I'm sure there is a stats site somewhere that can give us solid data but off the top of my head, he's given almost everyone excluding the goalkeepers a fair chance no?

Off the top of my head:

DDG (Henderon no chance given)
Dalot/AWB both featured under Rangnick
Maguire/Linelof/Varane (when fit) featured under Rangnick
I'll give you Bailly, can't remember him playing under Rangnick
Jones, I'll let this one pass without a comment
Shaw/Telles, both featured
McFred/Matic/Pogba/Lingard/Fernandes all featured heavily
Elanga/Rashford/Ronaldo/Sancho all featured

Unless I'm missing anyone obvious, I think everyone has played significantly enough under Rangnick to counter the "oh why is X not playing instead of Y", thats disregarding injuries as well.

The issue is that badly performing players suffer no consequences. We have players like Maguirre claiming he's playing well because he isn't getting dropped - clearly the players aren't getting the message. There is no reason to believe that we would be any worse off if Rangnick dropped players after bad performances, we have been far too shit for that to be possible.

We don't really know this for a fact. He's basically been given a terrible squad and been asked to do anything he can with it.

In the majority of matches I've seen we make counter-productive decisions in player positioning and substitutions. We are not able to deal with the opposition's tactical changes, and often end up overwhelmed. Now the players could work a lot harder, and some of it is probably down to player performances, but some of it is also definitely on the manager and his staff as well

Not to be pedantic but Ole lost at home, with 1 goal more.

Hence worse performance wise and not results wise.

I don't think anyone was expecting us to challenge with only 3 or 4 quality signings. Our squad bar Ronaldo wouldn't get on the bench for City/Liverpool. I know its a tough read but we have to be honest with ourselves, who do you take from United and put him on City/Pool's bench? Not even saying starting 11, just the bench.

Who said anything about competing against City and Liverpool? We're not even capable of top 4 at this point - and that is with two world Cup winners, one of of the greatest players of all time who can still get you a hatrick at the age of 37, and seasoned internationals with finals under their belts.

It depends what his job requirements were. If it was get top 4 at all costs, he would have been given authority to sign at least 1 or 2 players in January. It was clearly stated when he was signed, he was signing for 6 months only. He's here to assess the problems and provide input to the new manager.

I hate to point out the obvious, but he could have done that without being the manager. I'm not necessarily negative towards that part of his job, it could prove very beneficial long term to land ten Hag and replace most of these players, what I do have a problem with is that people seemingly think there is no way anyone in the world could do better than what Ralf has done. Personally I'd rather see Ten Hag come in sooner rather than later so that he can begin work on fixing this mess before this lot go on vacation.

Ralf is a talker and has always been one. His credentials as a DoF are well documented and impressive, but as a manager it's not been great. Truth is we have a sub-par manager with a MLS level coaching team leading a sorry lot of mentally weak and physically unfit players who probably should not have been signed in the first place.

I just hope that this mess will give the board the incentive to give Ten Hag everything he needs, both in staff and player recruitment, because that is the only way this season will have any value going forward.
 
Why didn't they buy into Ralf's tactics and strategy then? He basically said they abandoned the plan within 10 minutes last night? I used to say the stuff you are now, but enough is enough. Some of these players are just totally rotten, and they might just be the player we all used to like and think were the good ones.

We played a low block, but Maguire had a nightmare. Should have dropped Maguire ages ago.

Putting Maguire to stop Salah was silly tactics on the manager.

There may not be a recovery for Maguire. Crazy how confident he was in Euros to this.
 
Conte would have quit by now or battered the entire dressing room :lol:

If you think our squad would have been professional enough to follow Conte's training and diet regime? if they think Rangnick is bad they've got another thing coming.
Conte would have been a disaster. He'd have made the club spend money in January, we'd have gone big this summer. Then we'd still have this disjointed squad but with 4 Conte style players also. Then he'd get sacked and we'd be back where we are now.
 
It’s funny we are now over 400 pages of talking about RR’s performance. He clearly is more of an architect than a coach at this point. He could not galvanise the team that is clear but let’s not be lazy in that analysis. He should take some of the blame but look at the context or the pile of dung he was dropped into. Player power rampant, deficient management structure, wrong culture from the top, everything all of us have been saying for years. Is it a wonder the players never rallied around an interim? What amazes me is how so many on here say he is wank but do not look at the entire dynamic which he operates in.
And frankly, what other options did we have? Carrick perhaps? Maybe McKenna? Conte was also an option. But we have to keep in mind that our interim manager was also going to short term. Our target was hiring a proper top-class manager for the next season and none of them were going to switch mid-season (Poch or ETH). Conte was never going to be hired as a permanent manager. And even if the interim manager performed well and finished 3rd/4th let's say... a big part of the fanbase would be rooting for THAT manager to be given the permanent role (just as they did with Ole).

The imminent appointment of ETH shows us what our objective was.
 
Conte would have been a disaster. He'd have made the club spend money in January, we'd have gone big this summer. Then we'd still have this disjointed squad but with 4 Conte style players also. Then he'd get sacked and we'd be back where we are now.

Exactly. I'd rather be where we are with Ten Hag coming in than hiring Conte for some short term short sighted potential success. Feck that.
 
Exactly. I'd rather be where we are with Ten Hag coming in than hiring Conte for some short term short sighted potential success. Feck that.
Yep, the club need a purge and we can either keep kicking the can down the road or just move Ralf upstairs and bring Ten Hag in and get to work.
 
We had Moyes, LVG, Mourinho, Ole and RR but some had good qualities and lacked others.
It's very evident that RR never had a first class side and his experience is limited.

If ETH will not be backed by our club (and most of the other managers were not too) then we are destined to repeat the story of failure.
 
Hindsight is 20/20 and I’m not defending RR. But aside from Conte, who was available at the time who fit the bill? PSG were not going to let Poch go. ETH would not have abandoned Ajax. Conte would have been a Jose version 2 and would have been short term.

Well, besides Conte who I'm sure would have done a better job THIS season, there were Blanc, Zidane, Valverde, Low, Jardim, Rudi Garcia and many others who could of least save this season. The reset with ETH could of waited till summer.
 
Exactly. I'd rather be where we are with Ten Hag coming in than hiring Conte for some short term short sighted potential success. Feck that.
AND, there is no guarantee that Conte would've succeeded with this lot. Yea, perhaps we could've strolled 4th and gotten into the UCL QF... but that literally would've been it. And, as I posted a little earlier... Conte would've wanted the permanent job.
 
AND, there is no guarantee that Conte would've succeeded with this lot. Yea, perhaps we could've strolled 4th and gotten into the UCL QF... but that literally would've been it. And, as I posted a little earlier... Conte would've wanted the permanent job.
The worst thing we can do now is finish 4th. It papers over the cracks and allows some people to hide for another year. Anything below 4th calls for an inquest.
 
Well, besides Conte who I'm sure would have done a better job THIS season, there were Blanc, Zidane, Valverde, Low, Jardim, Rudi Garcia and many others who could of least save this season. The reset with ETH could of waited till summer.
We would've needed to sign at least 2 players to suit their needs in January. The club wouldn't have given them that to save money for the new manager. None of them would've been able to turn things upside down without signings.
 
Hindsight is 20/20 and I’m not defending RR. But aside from Conte, who was available at the time who fit the bill? PSG were not going to let Poch go. ETH would not have abandoned Ajax. Conte would have been a Jose version 2 and would have been short term.
I’ve been dropped into situations that needed mending and watched several COs and XOs transfer in and take things over. Every situation is different with different challenges.

This was a bad situation that took years to create. Im surprised people thought an interim manager with no money and no changes was somehow going to fix it.

Guys like Ralf are excellent at measuring and documenting the problems. He is no nonsense, straight talker. Everything is matter of fact with him. His press interviews are interestingly candid. I am certain his report will be dispassionate and accurate.

As one old master chief told us, “You earn the grades. I just report them.”

I think that’s going to be a valuable report from Ralf when it comes to turning this around in less than 4 years. I would rather finish under the top 4 this year and be back in it in a year or two, instead of watching another 4 years of this misery.

I really wonder where he thinks the problems lie.
Who is uncoachable
Who is unfit
Who is lazy
Who is a dressing room cancer

Y'all probably have a pretty good idea. Maybe
Time to start a lottery on who stays and who is gone. It’s going to be an interesting summer.
 
Conte would have quit by now or battered the entire dressing room :lol:

If you think our squad would have been professional enough to follow Conte's training and diet regime? if they think Rangnick is bad they've got another thing coming.
RR said as much that 10 players should go. I hope that happens. I don’t think it has sunk in that we are as low as we have been since SAF retired. We have seen so bad performances this past year with atrocious score lines that it’s almost we have been desensitised to how dire we really are. I can’t believe the Glazers are getting away with this.
 
Exactly. I'd rather be where we are with Ten Hag coming in than hiring Conte for some short term short sighted potential success. Feck that.

Long term it was the right move. Conte would have performed better this season but ultimately achieved little in the grand scheme of things. Hopefully the wait for ETH will be worth it, as Christ it’s been a painful journey.
 
Can't believe some posters here are actually saying we would of been better off keeping Ole. We are mainly in this mess because of his bad buys and lax attitude indulging these players.

Ralf could of done certain things better tactically as the coach there is no doubt, but he knows the issues with this club and will rectify it if the Glazers and the yes men back him. His hands have been well and truly been tied as the coach working with this lot.
 
You say Ole not good enough and our players not good enough yet we ended second. Thus there is quality in our team.

Shaw had a really good season and is a good player.

No the biggest problem for us is poor managers. SAF would win the league with this Squad and 2-3 signings.
Shaw has had about 2 good seasons in 8 years. He's another player that should have question marks over his head
 
I’ve been dropped into situations that needed mending and watched several COs and XOs transfer in and take things over. Every situation is different with different challenges.

This was a bad situation that took years to create. Im surprised people thought an interim manager with no money and no changes was somehow going to fix it.

Guys like Ralf are excellent at measuring and documenting the problems. He is no nonsense, straight talker. Everything is matter of fact with him. His press interviews are interestingly candid. I am certain his report will be dispassionate and accurate.

As one old master chief told us, “You earn the grades. I just report them.”

I think that’s going to be a valuable report from Ralf when it comes to turning this around in less than 4 years. I would rather finish under the top 4 this year and be back in it in a year or two, instead of watching another 4 years of this misery.

I really wonder where he thinks the problems lie.
Who is uncoachable
Who is unfit
Who is lazy
Who is a dressing room cancer

Y'all probably have a pretty good idea. Maybe
Time to start a lottery on who stays and who is gone. It’s going to be an interesting summer.

Chief, are you really from the Navy? You offer an interesting take from a military organisation’s management standpoint. I obviously don’t know a lot about how military units run and I will assume just like all other organisations they are not perfect. Admirals, like senior execs can be all BS but at least they need to impose some accountability and correct culture. But in my experience replacing the “troops” and the captain in this context will not address the problem. This leadership is completely lacking and until we fix that, again using your parlance, at least with the junior to mid-ranking officers who can maintain discipline and execute a plan (whatever that is), we are not going to right the ship.
 
We have papered over cracks for too long. What Ralf is doing now is exposing each and every player for what they are, below average at best.

He knows we need 7/8 players this summer, he knows none of the current group are good enough.
 
He is an intelegent and knowledgeable football man, but not a manager. But we need people like him behind the scenes instead of people who know nothing about football.
 
Funny how we've been complaining about the squad for the last few years... De Gea not good enough, Shaw is lazy, AWB can't attack, Lindelof isn't good enough, McFred is terrible, Pogba is overrated, Matic is old, etc etc. Remember all that?

And yet, when results don't go our way, we blame the manager. This entire squad has been here since 2020 (barring Sancho). What did you expect will change with RR?
Just look at the starting XI from yesterday -
De Gea - here since 2011
AWB - Here since 2019
Jones - here forever
Lindelof - 2018
Maguire - 2019
Dalot - 2018
Pogba - 2016
Matic - 2017
Bruno - 2020
Rashford - 2015
Lingard - 2015

What has changed from 2020? And, why are we expecting RR to perform miracles without giving him a single player?
 
Can't believe some posters here are actually saying we would of been better off keeping Ole. We are mainly in this mess because of his bad buys and lax attitude indulging these players.

Ralf could of done certain things better tactically as the coach there is no doubt, but he knows the issues with this club and will rectify it if the Glazers and the yes men back him. His hands have been well and truly been tied as the coach working with this lot.
Who is indulging Bruno these days? He has just got a massive pay increase and now is unsellable. Stuck with him for years now if his poor form continues. If he signed that contract last Sep the mob would be blaming Ole for it.

Its these sort of idiotic decisions that make the players toxic and give the managers zero chance of going anywhere. Why not wait till the new manager comes in and see what he thinks.
 
Why do people keep acting like he said the whole team is going to be replaced, as if it was some sort of threat? We know that there are at least 5 players leaving in the summer, it's a perfectly reasonable suggestion to state that we need to replace all of them and add a few new players for the incoming manager.
 
I really like Ralf, his analysis of our issues is absolutely spot-on and I firmly believe had we made him DoF in 2014/15 we would be a major force in European and domestic football again now.

That being said, I don't think he is managing the team particularly well. I understand his options are limited but keeps making the same mistakes i.e. Rashford at CF, Pogba in CM. We know from experience that this just doesn't work.

Also, his insistence on being 'progressive' and his style have probably been negative 'expected value' so far i.e. we would have picked up far more points by just playing the cowardly 4-2-3-1 counter until the end of the season. He's right that his is the style we should aspire to, but what's the point in forcing players to do it who can't do (and won't be here soon)?
 
Chief, are you really from the Navy? You offer an interesting take from a military organisation’s management standpoint. I obviously don’t know a lot about how military units run and I will assume just like all other organisations they are not perfect. Admirals, like senior execs can be all BS but at least they need to impose some accountability and correct culture. But in my experience replacing the “troops” and the captain in this context will not address the problem. This leadership is completely lacking and until we fix that, again using your parlance, at least with the junior to mid-ranking officers who can maintain discipline and execute a plan (whatever that is), we are not going to right the ship.
I’m recently retired.
And you make a good point. If it’s truly a cultural problem, that’s the most difficult to fix. Culture is a group think problem from the top down. It’s leadership and discipline and if it goes on long enough it’s a loss of knowledge and then combat readiness suffers. The group forgets how to perform, how to win. It’s a miserable experience and you want to be anywhere else. I think being paid millions softens the blow…

I actually liken this situation to when a Commanding Officer gets relieved for cause such as a collision.
They get him out ASAP and bring in a complete stranger. Usually a senior and experienced guy who has two jobs when he reports aboard.
Get the ship safely home and gather evidence.

You want a guy like Ralf seems to be. Cut to the chase. Get straight to the heart of the problem. Those guys almost never stick around long after. They get the ship home and report back as to what happened and recommendations on how to fix it.
Then the admirals have their say.

Inevitably several people receive various levels of discipline. Many are replaced and end up at a desk for the rest of their short careers.

Edit: I almost forgot, there is almost always a courts martial, usually for the Commanding Officer. Everything is made public. It’s ugly.
 
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Why do people keep acting like he said the whole team is going to be replaced, as if it was some sort of threat? We know that there are at least 5 players leaving in the summer, it's a perfectly reasonable suggestion to state that we need to replace all of them and add a few new players for the incoming manager.

I don't think many think that the whole team is going to be replaced, what people are saying is the whole team should be replaced.

We have Matic, Lingard, Mata, Martial, Pogba, Bailly, Jones, Cavani leaving this summer. Most of these players don't even play, so we need to replace a few of them.

Then we have the likes of Rashford, Maguire, Shaw, AWB, Dalot who should leave but hard due to their contracts. If we can sell 2 of those, it would be a good summer.

We then have to go buy a new spine, CB,CM,ST at the least. We also need a RW, RB, CM.

In reality, I only see us signing 5 players so ETH has to find youth players to promote.
 
He hasn't been great but please stop with the revitionism, we lost 5-0 to them just this season when Ole was in charge

The poster you replied to is technically correct. Ralf has the worst win% of any PL manager at Old Trafford
 
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