Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[VP89]

They sack them hoping a new manager will keep them up. Doesn’t mean they’re likely to anyway.

Not the point. He came with backing in January of whoever he wanted and the remit of survival. He decided to buy a LOT of new players, all of whom flopped and needed to be moved on by the next guy.

He failed. Hard. Hes a shit manager and seems to leave a turd behind for the next guy.

 

[Kostov]

Whats the alternative? And dont say play the kids, he has already explained why that is not a good idea and I agrre

He has explained what exactly? That it is not a "pre season friendly" that's not an explanation to me. And don't say it's a toxic time or environment, it's toxic to sit on that bench and watch someone like Pogba and Lingard get minutes while being absolute shit, and how they don't give a damn.

 

[acnumber9]

Because we're looking past these results and more interested in the long term effect he has on the club. I am tired of short fixes and stop-gap methods. We need to change everything from the core.

And the long term rebuilding of the club is hampered by failing to qualify for the Champions League. Change can be made while still getting acceptable results on the pitch.

 

[stevoc]

I’m recently retired.
And you make a good point. If it’s truly a cultural problem, that’s the most difficult to fix. Culture is a group think problem from the top down. It’s leadership and discipline and if it goes on long enough it’s a loss of knowledge and then combat readiness suffers. The group forgets how to perform, how to win. It’s a miserable experience and you want to be anywhere else. I think being paid millions softens the blow…

I actually liken this situation to when a Commanding Officer gets relieved for cause such as a collision.
They get him out ASAP and bring in a complete stranger. Usually a senior and experienced guy who has two jobs when he reports aboard.
Get the ship safely home and gather evidence.

You want a guy like Ralf seems to be. Cut to the chase. Get straight to the heart of the problem. Those guys almost never stick around long after. They get the ship home and report back as to what happened and recommendations on how to fix it.
Then the admirals have their say.

Inevitably several people receive various levels of discipline. Many are replaced and end up at a desk for the rest of their short careers.

Edit: I almost forgot, there is almost always a courts martial, usually for the Commanding Officer. Everything is made public. It’s ugly.

What's the protocol if the guy you bring in to get the ship home safely, instead starts sinking the ship as Rangnick seems to be doing?

 

[acnumber9]

Not the point. He came with backing in January of whoever he wanted and the remit of survival. He decided to buy a LOT of new players, all of whom flopped and needed to be moved on by the next guy.

He failed. Hard. Hes a shit manager and seems to leave a turd behind for the next guy.

Is the point. They were going down regardless. I’m not saying Ole was good enough. He wasn’t. Just that he’s won more Rangnick. Which he has.

 

[VP89]

Is the point. They were going down regardless. I’m not saying Ole was good enough. He wasn’t. Just that he’s won more Rangnick. Which he has.

They weren't going down regardless. If they hired properly and gave the manager the same backing theres a fair chance they could have stayed up.

Oles Norway triumphs are immaterial. What Rangnick achieved in Germany with 3 clubs is far more impressive.

 

[acnumber9]

They weren't going down regardless. If they hired properly and gave the manager the same backing theres a fair chance they could have stayed up.

Oles Norway triumphs are immaterial. What Rangnick achieved in Germany with 3 clubs is far more impressive.

Rangnick also got sacked when Stuttgart were in the relegation zone. Saved a relegation from his CV.

 

[Berbaclass]

Ragnick is the dark knight. A hero.

Doing the dirty work so others don’t have to.

 

[VP89]

Rangnick also got sacked when Stuttgart were in the relegation zone. Saved a relegation from his CV.

He didnt hide from the league and go to somewhere non relevant though. He rebuilt Hoffenheim, Shalke and built RB from upstairs and in the managers seat.

Dont compare him to Ole. The latter is basically as good as a kid on work experience.

 

[Adisa]

Imagine using Ralf's stint to defend Ole.

 

[Berbaclass]

Imagine using Ralf's stint to defend Ole.

Like blaming your babysitter for your kids behaviour.

 

[Lee565]

I think he got it wrong in January, he let beek and martial go out on loan whilst keeping lingard and pogba here, yes neither beek or martial have looked good in the past few seasons but at least keep these two at the club as they are least committed and have a future to fight for where as lingard and pogba could not care less about helping the club achieve anything this season as they have their eyes set on big signing on fees as a free agent

 

[Tom Cato]

They weren't going down regardless. If they hired properly and gave the manager the same backing theres a fair chance they could have stayed up.

Oles Norway triumphs are immaterial. What Rangnick achieved in Germany with 3 clubs is far more impressive.

Im just not sure what Ralf did in Germany is relevant to our season. Champions League is slipping away and Ralf is the man that was hired to ensure that did not happen.

So whats going on? Why isnt he getting a reaction out of the squad?

 

[L1nk]

I think he got it wrong in January, he let beek and martial go out on loan whilst keeping lingard and pogba here, yes neither beek or martial have looked good in the past few seasons but at least keep these two at the club as they are least committed and have a future to fight for where as lingard and pogba could not care less about helping the club achieve anything this season as they have their eyes set on big signing on fees as a free agent

The thing is i'm just not sure how much choice he had over making these decisions, being an interim and all. Not only that but if players are absolutely adamant on wanting to go what can he do? Lingard would have gone too if Greenwood didn't put us in that situation

 

[OleksUsykUD]

He didnt hide from the league and go to somewhere non relevant though. He rebuilt Hoffenheim, Shalke and built RB from upstairs and in the managers seat.

Dont compare him to Ole. The latter is basically as good as a kid on work experience.

Ole was miles better for us, and this is all i care. He also come here in the middle of the season, and have done a better job compare to Rangnick. Yeah Ole is a terrible below average manager, but that just speaks how bad Ralf actually is.


I don't get how can anyone actually trying to defend this guy that has been proven to be a fraud.


The guy is sitting as the worst manager post SAF. His stats are 41.67%, which is beyond pathetic. Even Moyes has 52.94%. Ole is far far ahead with 54.17%.


Just 10 wins, 9 draws and 5 loses, and he got a very easy fixtures infront of him, yet failed miserably. Any excuses with the current players is exactly this - excuses !!!

 

[acnumber9]

He didnt hide from the league and go to somewhere non relevant though. He rebuilt Hoffenheim, Shalke and built RB from upstairs and in the managers seat.

Dont compare him to Ole. The latter is basically as good as a kid on work experience.

He managed a team in the second division of his home country. After getting them promoted he was sacked as they were on their way down again. Saving another relegation from his CV. He’s done quite well at Hoffenheim and at Shalke at first. When he went back to Shalke he lost as many games as he won. His CV is chequered at best.

 

[devilish]

He seems like such an average manager of a team that can only get top 4 at best even in Germany.

He seems like manager that doesn't care about any sort of technical ability or any footballing ability of a player because he primarily and only really values the work rate and fitness ability of a player.

He seems like he will build a club first team 11 of players with a perfect fitness ability but no other ability in Football.

Some fans are absolutely loving this right now - talking about how it's showing lazy or incompetent players; whilst this maybe true - I do think he is such an average manager that has almost zero ability to get the best out of his players in any other way.

There are certain managers that can only work with their "tactical style of players" and then there are managers that are atleast to some standard, adapt and try get the best out of his players.

I can neither see this nor can I see tactics in a football match. He talks about Gegenpressing when at max 2 out of our front 4 (usually just 1) seems to press at all any time of the match. The same players who doesn't press for some reason may track back instead but why not press forward?

I do think that some of our players are feeling this "average manager, average tactics" right now and after a disappointing season just waiting for his time to finish as our interim manager.

I feel the same to be honest - I'm just waiting for this season to finish so we can have finally have a new manager again.

Rangnick is not an average manager. His tactics influenced heavily the likes of Nagelsmann, Klopp and Tuchel. However he's a manager whose more comfortable managing a small side and tbh he has no experience managing a top club let alone a club like ours whose in total disarray. To make matters worse gegenpressing requires players with extraordinary work rate and attitude, something, the team built by Ole and Murtough lack heavily in. Its a known thing that Liverpool struggled to adapt to Klopp and yet our geniuses expected a 60 year old something manager to come in during mid season and change the way of our game in a radical way and that these lazy bunch would just go on board with it with a smile on their face.

What United should have done was to hire Rangnick but as a sporting director. Meanwhile we should have given Conte a 1+1 contract something he was on board since he accepted similar terms at Spurs. Conte's game can easily adapt to counter attacking football which is what this team is more suited for and he know the EPL inside out.

 

[VP89]

He managed a team in the second division of his home country. After getting them promoted he was sacked as they were on their way down again. Saving another relegation from his CV. He’s done quite well at Hoffenheim and at Shalke at first. When he went back to Shalke he lost as many games as he won. His CV is chequered at best.

Not really, he did very well at RB too. He had an established style and I fully agree hes no manager for a top club, but hes brought in for a wider remit than that here.

What I am finding hilarious is dome daft comparison with Ole who might as well have left a turd on the pitch in 3 years and it be just as useful.

 

[VP89]

Im just not sure what Ralf did in Germany is relevant to our season. Champions League is slipping away and Ralf is the man that was hired to ensure that did not happen.

So whats going on? Why isnt he getting a reaction out of the squad?

The answer to your question has been answered 100 times. Im not entertaining it anymore.

 

[plex]

I know Rangnick from his time in Germany and I think he‘s an excellent manager or consultant, respectively. He did a great job at Leipzig (he’s a better manager than football coach). The thing is, you‘ve hired a consultant/manager mid-season, without a preseason preparation and not to mention the fact that the current ManUtd team is more or less dysfunctional. Players have been bought without a clear vision - in contrast to Liverpool for example. Apart from that, it is well known to the players that Rangnick will be replaced anyway by the end of saison, which further undermines his authority. ManUtd is a big club, with a lot of potential, but a clueless management board.

 

[horsechoker]

Spoiler: Rangnick teaching the United squad to gengenpress

Also that gif of the dog laying on the floor trying to play fetch with the ball but too lazy to move

 

[crossy1686]

Ragnick is the dark knight. A hero.

Doing the dirty work so others don’t have to.

I'm starting to think he was hired just to do an audit, hence the reason no one has called him out yet. If he really was full of shit and he didn't have any backing the players agents would have crucified him by now.

 

[UncleBob]

Please educate us all as to why I don't have a clue and you do because you think the players need to be 'motivated' to play against Liverpool. This should be good.

Not entirely sure it is possible to educate you on this, you've already decided there's no alternatives, only your own conviction. You have the second most posts in this thread and you'd do well to find one that offers a decent summary of the situation. It's mostly 2-3 lines based on little else than your imagination, often contradicting yourself, pretending it's facts.

It's a two way street, of course the manager motivates, of course they're meant to inspire, but surely you don't think it should all come from them? What the feck are these mugs even playing the game for if they don't want to win? It's not all about money, some players do actually love the game and want to be successful.

Why do Chelsea have success even when their managers are player powered out of clubs, because they had/have a motivated group that even if they don't believe in the bloke in charge, they still want to achieve. Our bunch don't, clearly.

It shouldn't all come from the manager, and you'd do well to find a Manchester United player that didn't want to win yesterday, or in general for that matter, but it hardly means certain matches are self motivating enough so that the manager isn't needed. Confidence is shot, we play one of the best teams in Europe, they battered us the last time, we struggle with injuries and are missing key players, we're lined up in a formation we rarely ever play and when we've played like this it's usually been a disaster, yet supposedly since it's Liverpool it's so self motivating that Ralf should've just stayed in the dressing room, or at home for that sake. The margins here aren't that big, performing at 85% vs 90% and so on. Liverpool and City are two of the best teams in the world, yet you rarely see Gurdiola and Klopp sitting down instead of addressing things happening on the pitch to keep the players performing.

It's easy to get the impression that people have just read stories about Ralf. He has a big mouth, big ego and likes to brag, him announcing himself as Milan manager was a fun one given how it all went to shits, he's been trying to get jobs as a manager for a long time and hasn't achieved it, in the past he even interviewed for Everton. He might like to pretend that Klopp is a student of his gegenpress, but it's far from the truth. Fans like him because of his press conferences, which are far more entertaining than the actual performances on the pitch, he states the obvious and fans lap it up as if he's some sort of genius. A bit like our fans, he'll just say whatever suits him then and there but will happily contradict himself later on. Manchester Uniteds recruitment policy has been shit, that's a shocker, how have we missed something that obvious, we've spent more than most and have feck all to show for it, maybe our recruitment policy has been shit. Genius.It's been debated for years.

I don't doubt that Ralf can, and will, be an important part of restructuring how the club operates, it's besides the point. The point right now is how he's performing as a manager and the effect he's having on the players, which isn't going very well. It's fairly easy to state the obvious, you don't have to be a genius to point out our flaws, rectifying them however is an entirely different prospect (sadly). He took over a squad that was close to rock bottom, instead of managing to inspire that group of players it's been a mini-booster and then downhill again. He seems tactically naive, practical vs theory, unable to understand the players and old fashioned (his take on physios and recovery). Like the stuff with Martial and Lingard, where both players went public contradicting Ralf and we had a lot of noise about something that turned out to be feck all. Completely pointless do create debates in the media like that and more often than not it has nothing but negative consequences in a group.

The matches were lined up nicely for him when he took over, people instantly lapped up his take about making us more solid but the stats were hardly conclusive. Like the Norwich match, the loss vs win, the stats in open play for xg and xa are pretty much identical, but people simply look at the result which was the opposite, more often than not Norwich would've won their latest match instead of losing it. You'll do well to point out clear improvements since Ralf took over, we look equally clueless in terms of positioning, patterns, approach, players are still underperforming. It's a bit too easy to simply blame it on the group of players, some players completely losing faith is one thing, losing an entire group of players usually fall on the manager. There's an upcoming world cup, getting into the NT squad and a place in the WC squad after this summer is going to be difficult, so it's not like they don't have other things to be concerned about as well. They are also well aware that Ralf is supposed to have a role within the club afterwards, so it's not like their future at the club won't be linked to Ralfs assessment either.

 

[Long Time Red]

We really should hire Sean Dyche until the end of the season and move Ralf into his consulting role early.

• Dyche has played against our remaining opponents multiple times and knows their strengths and weaknesses.
• Has proven he can get excellent results and performances from Championship level players.
• He couldn't possibly do any worse than Rangnick.

Give him a £5m bonus for top 4 and he also gets to chance to prove he can do a job at a better club than Burnley, that's a pretty big incentive for him.

I can't think of any downsides.

 

[r0663664]

Everything is wrong with this club. I don't think we should play Lingard or Pogba, these 2 are on their way out. Win or lose doesn't really matters to them. RR look around and he doesn't see anyone ready to step in. It is a dysfunction management. VDB should never be bought if Ole has no plan of playing him, Martial should be let go probably 2-3 years ago. Amad and Pellestri money could have got for someone serviceable. DM should brought in instead of Ronaldo. Sancho was supposed to solve our right side issues but we stick him on the left. Everything is wrong, this where a company goes bankrupt and goes out of business. We are in so much trouble but Glazers think hiring a new coach will solve their problem.

 

[Long Time Red]

Rangnick is not an average manager. His tactics influenced heavily the likes of Nagelsmann, Klopp and Tuchel. However he's a manager whose more comfortable managing a small side and tbh he has no experience managing a top club let alone a club like ours whose in total disarray. To make matters worse gegenpressing requires players with extraordinary work rate and attitude, something, the team built by Ole and Murtough lack heavily in. Its a known thing that Liverpool struggled to adapt to Klopp and yet our geniuses expected a 60 year old something manager to come in during mid season and change the way of our game in a radical way and that these lazy bunch would just go on board with it with a smile on their face.

What United should have done was to hire Rangnick but as a sporting director. Meanwhile we should have given Conte a 1+1 contract something he was on board since he accepted similar terms at Spurs. Conte's game can easily adapt to counter attacking football which is what this team is more suited for and he know the EPL inside out.

Think that has been massively overstated but even if it is true it doesn't mean his tactics are remotely applicable to today's game.

Arrigo Sacchi influenced a number of top coaches but there's a reason why he hasn't had a job since 2001.

 

[acnumber9]

Not really, he did very well at RB too. He had an established style and I fully agree hes no manager for a top club, but hes brought in for a wider remit than that here.

What I am finding hilarious is dome daft comparison with Ole who might as well have left a turd on the pitch in 3 years and it be just as useful.

Neither are good enough.

 

[grahamo]

I hope here rangnick is doing loads behind the scenes because nothing is being done at the coalface. We were apologised to and promised change after the last hiding we got off Liverpool and yet here we are

 

[RiqCantona]

And the long term rebuilding of the club is hampered by failing to qualify for the Champions League. Change can be made while still getting acceptable results on the pitch.

4th has never been good enough for us. And we've failed to qualify for the CL in the past as well (in fact 4 times in 8 years). We'll probably finish 6th this season as well. Failing to qualify is hardly a catastrophe now is it?

 

[Tom Cato]

The answer to your question has been answered 100 times. Im not entertaining it anymore.

With the answer in hand, hiring him as the interim was a mistake then.

Sure, his knowledge is helpful in a consultant role, but why in gods name did we bring in someone who would need time to build a squad, and plays a system that require players we dont have to play manager for 7 months.

So far the primary thing Ralf has delivered is playing favor to fans who love it when managers criticize their squads in public. What kind of buildup is it to the Liverpool game when your manager does press and makes it abundantly clear that he does not believe in the squad one bit?

This is a personal flavor, but I cant stand it when leaders dont take all the responsibility on themselves, and air the dirty laundry behind closed doors instead. Obviously Ralf has convinced Murtogh that he could correct the course this season or he wouldnt have been brought on as interim to begin with.

 

[Berbaclass]

I'm starting to think he was hired just to do an audit, hence the reason no one has called him out yet. If he really was full of shit and he didn't have any backing the players agents would have crucified him by now.

He’s the firefighter running into the burning building mate. Emerging with the glistening bald head of ETH

 

[Elcabron]

You're not wrong, but it's just not realistic to see them leaving this summer on top of the ones already going. We barely manage to sign 3/4 players in a summer usually let alone 7/8.

I think ETH will want to assess the remaining players in the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him bench Maguire though.

I hear you and that's what will probably happen, we can dream however.

 

[VP89]

Ole was miles better for us, and this is all i care. He also come here in the middle of the season, and have done a better job compare to Rangnick. Yeah Ole is a terrible below average manager, but that just speaks how bad Ralf actually is.


I don't get how can anyone actually trying to defend this guy that has been proven to be a fraud.


The guy is sitting as the worst manager post SAF. His stats are 41.67%, which is beyond pathetic. Even Moyes has 52.94%. Ole is far far ahead with 54.17%.


Just 10 wins, 9 draws and 5 loses, and he got a very easy fixtures infront of him, yet failed miserably. Any excuses with the current players is exactly this - excuses !!!

Ole performed better, there's no argument there. I think if Rangnick was permanent and had the remit he needs to exercise control from day 1, we'd see a different scenario. But that's for a parallel universe because it's (Rightly) falling to Ten Hag.

Neither are good enough.

Neither were good enough for interim and neither are good enough for permanent. Ole somehow got both despite being a really, really bad manager.

With the answer in hand, hiring him as the interim was a mistake then.

Sure, his knowledge is helpful in a consultant role, but why in gods name did we bring in someone who would need time to build a squad, and plays a system that require players we dont have to play manager for 7 months.

So far the primary thing Ralf has delivered is playing favor to fans who love it when managers criticize their squads in public. What kind of buildup is it to the Liverpool game when your manager does press and makes it abundantly clear that he does not believe in the squad one bit?

This is a personal flavor, but I cant stand it when leaders dont take all the responsibility on themselves, and air the dirty laundry behind closed doors instead. Obviously Ralf has convinced Murtogh that he could correct the course this season or he wouldnt have been brought on as interim to begin with.

Yeah, with hindsight even a fan of Rangnick such as myself can't deny this. We should have got a manager who is good for a bounce and let Rangnick rip up the squad after that.

That said, he may have gained very valuable insight form the manager role to make better decisions in the summer. Perhaps this short term pain will lead to a bigger and much needed overhaul than what would have otherwise happened.

 

[Elcabron]

Just laughing out loudly at some people trying to defend this guy, who 100% proved that he is a fraud. I don't care what he speaks on the press and in the media, what he is judged on is on the pitch, and his results are worsts than anyone since SAF, and pretty much every manager since SAF has been way below average or long time past his best years, and still being below average. I don't care how you try to spin it, this speaks for itself. And he is not the worst one, he is
the worst by quite a far.


In any job, if you can't make your team do the things you want them to do, then the problem is in you. He is saying that players don't follow his instructions, yet he still persist to play with Maguire, no matter what, how smart is that?


His sole job was to get us into the top 4. Simple as that. People are talking nonsenses about rebuild here, but doesn't use a basic thinking, that not getting a top 4 spot, will mean we lose sponsorship money(quite a lot, not being in CL), we lose probably more than 100million not being in the CL, and we also lose an opportunity to sign a lot of players, that won't come here, knowing we won't be in the CL. On top of that our budget will be a lot smaller for the new manager.


So the "experts" that defend this fraud, explain to me, how exactly he is doing the "rebuild" job? He is actually putting the club and the next manager in a lot, worst, worst place.


And who is that self-respecting manager that will need someone else, an absolutely fraud like Rangnick to tell him if X or Y guy is or isn't good enough to stay ???


Let me tell you exactly what it's mean to build a foundation for the new manager is. What City did with Pellegrini. They did have Pep in mind, and appoint a manager that will play a similar type of football and will also want/buy a similar type of players.


What we are doing is an absolutely disaster and will lead to even further disaster.


It's also fun that people talking about we shouldn't have get this or this guy, cause he would have want this or that guy in the winter. And what is wrong with that exactly ? You can give 50m or 60m. for 2 players exactly, but if that helps you get into the CL, this mean you will win a lot more, than not getting in the CL, this is a basic thinking, that obviously some people on here lack.


Also some people are so naive with their Erik Ten Hag fanaticism. No one can say if this guy is going to be successful or not. His winning in the Duch league means nothing. He is still a very naive manager, and his loses in the CL prove this 100%.


De Boer was the same idealist that was talking a lot, playing attacking football, won 4 title with Ajax, and come in PL and the guy was sacked in a record time with 4 loses out of 5 matches, scored just 2 goals, and conceded 8. This speaks for itself.


Same story for Andre Villas Boas. The guy actually won a quadruple with Porto, and failed miserably at Chelsea, and then Tottenham.


ETH is big risk, and a big question mark. But i will judge him, after 1 full season with us, not prematurely, as everyone should. But looking at most of ours fans on here, they are living in some dream world, which is far, far from the reality. But very soon there will be a reality check, so let's see how they will accept the reality.

He is also the first ever united manager not to sign a single player. He inherited a complete and utter shit show, bad and all as last night was it's still better than our last game against pool which was actually at home.

Also Klopp finished 8th in his first season having taken over two months earlier than Ralph did.

He hasn't been great but I wish he took over in 2015 instead of Jose, we would be in a much better place now.

Agree with you on ETH though, he has it all to prove, that's for sure.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

He needs to be rated at the end of his consultancy role, that's his bread and butter

 

[Red_toad]

And the long term rebuilding of the club is hampered by failing to qualify for the Champions League. Change can be made while still getting acceptable results on the pitch.

I'd say it performances, not results. I'm 100% behind any manager who comes in and gets the players to work their socks off for him, regardless of the results. Performances breed team spirit and resilience, then the results will follow.

 

[acnumber9]

4th has never been good enough for us. And we've failed to qualify for the CL in the past as well (in fact 4 times in 8 years). We'll probably finish 6th this season as well. Failing to qualify is hardly a catastrophe now is it?

And managers have been sacked every time they have failed to qualify.

 

[acnumber9]

I'd say it performances, not results. I'm 100% behind any manager who comes in and gets the players to work their socks off for him, regardless of the results. Performances breed team spirit and resilience, then the results will follow.

I’d agree with that. And the performances have been woeful. We genuinely don’t deserve any more points than we have got.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Because we're looking past these results and more interested in the long term effect he has on the club.

That's all well and good but this is what Rangnick said when he was hired:

“I am excited to be joining Manchester United and focused on making this a successful season for the club,” he said. “The squad is full of talent and has a great balance of youth and experience. All my efforts for the next six months will be on helping these players fulfil their potential, both individually and, most importantly, as a team. Beyond that, I look forward to supporting the club’s longer-term goals on a consultancy basis.”

If you take him seriously then he has failed at what he said he would do.

 

[bond19821982]

Player's fault or not, there are some things which you would expect from a manager and we havent seen that from him, yet. May be the players aren't listening, may be the players are genuinely crap or may be its because of the injuries but I can't really get on board with a thrashing by Liverpool.

Hope he calls out all the bad apples and replaces these morons in summer.