Yeah we sometimes took a shot at goal under Louis - something that was strictly forbidden by him.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Yeah we sometimes took a shot at goal under Louis - something that was strictly forbidden by him.
The biggest problem with him is that he still regards himself as an outsider "contracted consultant". Players won't have any motivation if their manager lacks any bondings with them.
We might be comfortably in top 4 now if we stuck to Carrick.
We might be comfortably in top 4 now if we stuck to Carrick.
Maybe, but looking at the bigger picture, his involvement with the players is undoubtedly critical to him properly assessing the squad and leading a rebuilding/restructuring. Character is key, and players who can't be properly motivated just by putting on the shirt, shouldn't be here. Regardless of the interim status of the manager.
True, Chelsea didn't have a manager in 2007-2008 but they were 2nd in the league and 1 penalty kick away from the Champions League title, since their players - Terry, Lampard, Essien, Drogba, Cech, Ballack, etc got character.
We have a bunch of man-children content with mediocrity
Results aside, I think this approach does have benefits in weeding out exactly those players who are not good enough. In essence, we need to take this poison pill now, and fully commit to the rebuild process, and stop papering over the cracks like we did for the last 10 years.
I would not want another manager like OGS or MOU who were only fearful of their own jobs and had no idea on how to actually plan a rebuild.
I would not want another manager like OGS or MOU who were only fearful of their own jobs and had no idea on how to actually plan a rebuild.
Well it’s due to the fact we have no set direction. LVG played possession based football and was rightfully sacked but instead of getting a manager that will improve or continue that we get Jose and then Ole.
This then leaves us with players that are a mix of all different ways of playing unlike Klopp or Pep buy players that suit their system. ETH will be shocked when he gets here and realises we can’t pass a ball
If the players didn't follow the game plan there should be consequences, like in any other professional job. Where is the accountability?
United are in the running to become the worst run elite football club in history. It is a slap on the face of all fans.
United are in the running to become the worst run elite football club in history. It is a slap on the face of all fans.
Whether he's clueless or not remains to be seen. But even if he is, you still need to follow the managers game plan even if you don't like it.
What is the game plan?
"Guys, you need to gegenpress. Wait, you're not fit enough to do it week in, week out? You lot are all shit despite being a squad full of seasoned internationals. Feck it, just do what Ole taught you. I get paid either way."
Today the plan was to absorb pressure and not leave space in behind for Liverpool to attack. Basically to park the bus and hit them on the counter. But next thing you know we see our defense holding a high line with Liverpool in possession right around half and they score their first goal on 6 minutes with a ball in behind. Totally against what the manager told them to do...
Don't fecking tease Ralf
He is the manager I hate the most.
He just seems so basic.
He just seems so basic.
No they weren't. He was heavily backed in a. Jan window and made wholesale transfers which made them worse.
Also, clubs dont sack managers midway through seasons when fighting relegation because "theyre going down anyway". Its quite the opposite.
Dont rewrite history
He's been honest in how terrible this squad has been, and is!
But it's not Rangnick at the moment, the Glazers need to go! NOW!
But it's not Rangnick at the moment, the Glazers need to go! NOW!
Ole, murtough and Co were responsible for building this train wreck of a side.
Murtough and Co made yet another mistake by hiring a manager with no experience to lead a top side and whose football is built around the very weaknesses of this team. However let's be honest. The side Murtough and ole has built is tragic
No they weren't. He was heavily backed in a. Jan window and made wholesale transfers which made them worse.
Also, clubs dont sack managers midway through seasons when fighting relegation because "theyre going down anyway". Its quite the opposite.
Dont rewrite history
Cardiff were going down anyway similar to how everyone knew Norwich were going down halfway through the season.
So that they dont get embarrassed like yesterday. And hes not clueless. His managerial CV is still decent with the clubs he was at.
Again, not a foregone conclusion.
He was brought in and backed heavily in a window to turn it around. He failed utterly.
He might not be a clear upgrade to Ole as a manager but he does speak sense as a director.
Season isn’t over and I don’t disagree the board thought he could get top four but they are morons, did we actually think he would after Conte went to Spurs though? Did we realistically think a DoF would somehow become a world class coach?
We also made 2nd in Mou’s last season and then Ole came in and we had the worst end to a season i can remember and missed CL football. It means nothing, particularly when you add the context of covid in. Ragnick isn’t the answer but he’s here a couple of months more, Ole was here 3 years, the damage will take so much longer to fix because of that.
I trust his judgement. He's basically been given an advanced caretaker role, no authority on January transfers, and his role has been to:
- Stop the freefall from the Ole days where we were constantly losing. With the same squad of, lets be honest, not very good players available to him
- Identify the areas that need to be improved/players that need to be moved on and make life easier for the new manager.
Basically, this is what you have, try to get the best results, and help the new manager with info on what you have seen for the last 6 months.
- Stop the freefall from the Ole days where we were constantly losing. With the same squad of, lets be honest, not very good players available to him
- Identify the areas that need to be improved/players that need to be moved on and make life easier for the new manager.
Basically, this is what you have, try to get the best results, and help the new manager with info on what you have seen for the last 6 months.
I can't get this guy for serious when he keeps giving minutes to Lingard who will be gone in a month time, or Pogba who probably the same is off. What does he thing this team benefits from that?
He did not go to Pressing School to study Pressing Management. He's a football manager who should be capable of getting his team to play in basic ways.
I wouldn't play a few of them for the rest of the season now, the players who we no are leaving and also the likes of Maguire and Rashford who have let the club down game after game this season.
Ole was sacked because they also started the championship next season in an awful form despite having a big market in summer.
It's a long time since we've been this shit. The players have been utterly terrible, but some blame has to land at Rangnick's feet as well. He isn't dropping players, doesn't remotely compare tactically to the majority of managers in the league, has overseen a worse defeat, performance wise, against Liverpool than Ole managed with the same set of players, and - as his interim comes to an end - we are looking at a squad that arguably needs 20 new top quality players in the next 4 transfer windows.
If Ole changed the atmosphere of the club after Mourinho, I'd say under Rangnick we're pretty much back to were we left off with José.
Say what you will of his honesty and DoF credentials, but as a managerial appointment he has dramatically failed. We might end up 9th or 10th if we continue to play this badly. I'd fancy anyone's chances against us at this point.
He's not completely at fault, but to absolve him entirely of any blame at all is just silly.
Whats the alternative? And dont say play the kids, he has already explained why that is not a good idea and I agrre
The problem is that Rangnick cannot give you an "impartial view of the squad". He cannot give you an impartial view of the squad because he is the manager of the football club, he has responsibilities and benchmarks he should achieve. He is failing at his responsibilities and at achieving those benchmarks. He has motivation to pass the responsibilities along to someone else (the players), and the method to do so (his future role as consultant).
He is about as partial as they come. If this 'future consultant' job didn't exist you'd identify this behavior for what it clearly is.
To be fair he may not have the players he wants who are required to execute his game plan here (most of them are Ole players), but he should have done better as we have a large squad to choose from, and he has already been given months to fix some of issues.
I'm sure there is a stats site somewhere that can give us solid data but off the top of my head, he's given almost everyone excluding the goalkeepers a fair chance no?
Off the top of my head:
DDG (Henderon no chance given)
Dalot/AWB both featured under Rangnick
Maguire/Linelof/Varane (when fit) featured under Rangnick
I'll give you Bailly, can't remember him playing under Rangnick
Jones, I'll let this one pass without a comment
Shaw/Telles, both featured
McFred/Matic/Pogba/Lingard/Fernandes all featured heavily
Elanga/Rashford/Ronaldo/Sancho all featured
Unless I'm missing anyone obvious, I think everyone has played significantly enough under Rangnick to counter the "oh why is X not playing instead of Y", thats disregarding injuries as well.
We don't really know this for a fact. He's basically been given a terrible squad and been asked to do anything he can with it.
Not to be pedantic but Ole lost at home, with 1 goal more.
I don't think anyone was expecting us to challenge with only 3 or 4 quality signings. Our squad bar Ronaldo wouldn't get on the bench for City/Liverpool. I know its a tough read but we have to be honest with ourselves, who do you take from United and put him on City/Pool's bench? Not even saying starting 11, just the bench.
Ole did change it for the better for a few months, but that new manager/fresh start euphoria goes away very quickly when there's no solid follow up plan, especially when that follow up plan is signing Maguire and making him captain.
It depends what his job requirements were. If it was get top 4 at all costs, he would have been given authority to sign at least 1 or 2 players in January. It was clearly stated when he was signed, he was signing for 6 months only. He's here to assess the problems and provide input to the new manager.
The players showed zero fight yesterday. Took Hannibal to come on before a United player put an actual tackle in. The lack of fight can only be on the players, they’re comfortable with their £200k a week contracts and getting hammered 4-0
You do know man management is also the responsibility of Ralf right?
Its not just about tactics.
Motivating the squad is literally Ralf's job
Who needs motivating for Liverpool away? Do you?
Sadly it's impossible to get certain fans to accept this.
If you need someone else to motivate you for Liverpool away or champions league football you’ve got no place at United
At most, we're bringing in 4 first team players. 3 would be most likely.
I mean, we can afford to lose 10+ players and still have a normal sized squad, considering how bloated it is right now.
We’d still be missing a midfield. Defence is the only position we’re stocked in and it’s one of the worst in the league
That was a concern even prior to the season. Considering we have two high profile departures of Pogba and Matic, alongside marginal ones like Mata, Lingard etc leaving, there is bound to be a couple of incomings, plus promotions for the likes of Mejbri and Garner.
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