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Ralf is actually making ETH’s job MORE DIFFICULT. The squad is so low right now, no one is playing up to their true ability.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Ralf is actually making ETH’s job MORE DIFFICULT. The squad is so low right now, no one is playing up to their true ability.
I’m not sure that him continually telling everybody they’re shit is the way to go about that. On the subject of young players, they would have the support of every United fan if they gave their all regardless of result. At least play more than one of them if the whole issue is first teamers not listening.
We did at least fight last season under Ole. Why are we so absolutly useless now. We have not lost anyone and got 3 good players.
Now is Ronaldo a bad influence? Maybe or maybe not?
Tonight though we missed Fred and Mctominay for sure, but Mctominay had a bad season as well.
I think under Rangnick we are just shit tactically and it is on him. Maguire has been totally murdered by Liverpool and I say that is due to tactics as well.
Does he really need respect though, it's a unique situation to be in as he isn't going to be a manager next season. What he's doing now is clearly what he'll be doing as a consultant next year, so technically his doing his job, just earlier.
Why does he need respect? it's not like his building his managerial portfolio
Let's just put the record straight that Moyes, LVG and Jose didn't better Ole in the league. His 2nd and 3rd in back to back seasons is actually as good as it's been in the league for us since Fergie retired. And we lost a penalty shootout 11-10 to stop us winning as trophy.
Ole was no worse than the others in truth.
Interesting. So, if you were running the the local McDonalds and you hired an interim cook, would you expect the cook to flip burgers? Or actually just tell you, no, we need better meat, no need to serve burgers…?
An interim has the same responsibilities as a permanent manager: results. Ralf knew that, and said so in many press conferences (top 4). He’s failed to do that. It’s that simple, mate.
I never miss either of those 2. As for why we are so useless this year much has to do with the fact that we stuck with a guy who was done for far too long and the guy who replaced him has done an equally bad job. There's only 5 more games left of this shitshow of a season so we can already put it behind us. Until the next season starts and we have to torture ourselves again by watching these clowns.
Hope Ten Hag is religious, he's going to need a miracle to get something good out of these lot.
If I hired an expert in streamlining my business to be the interim chef, I might listen to a few of his suggestions. Even if his title is "interim chef".
Well we ended second last season ahead of Liverpool. To see this difference with virtually the same teams is really depressing. We have even added more quality than them.
Although they got Van Dijk back.
Klopp is doing a great job and our managers are useless.
Now I do think a big reason why they are doing so well is having a great pre season. I guess we got helped last year by not having a pre season for some reason.
The mentality difference is massive for sure.
Rangnick has clearly said the gameplan was a low block. What do the players do ? They're setup at the half way line, maguire steps up and gets caught out for the first goal.
His instructions are not followed and its still his fault ? Our players are clowns. Even ten hag will fail with these clowns.
Min 6.20, Ralf alluded to the team being too afraid to even try to attack Liverpool in the 1st half. We froze yet again essentially.
I think this is actually our biggest problem. The team is so mentally scarred from past results that they don't even belief in themselves anymore. With this mentality, any game plan is dead if the players are already beaten before kick-off.
Frustratingly It did show in the 2nd half how once the team actually tried to apply some pressure on them & attack, we had chances to hurt Liverpool.
Last season is irrelevant, Liverpool also had injury issues and are showing this year what they are capable of with a fully fit team. No point talking about last season or even this season to be quite frank. We must put it behind us and hope our jackass owners doesn't feck up again and get the recruitment right this summer.
So why did they follow Oles instructions though since we played low block under him a lot.
Ole was incredibly lucky, I would still have moyes, lvg and mourinho over Ole. Ole benefitted from being incredibly backed and also players playing in peak condition. He is still one of our manager that couldn't win a single trophy here. Even though, I know there is more to his tenure than that, but our football wasn't exciting and I called it before that once the luck ran out, things will fall apart. Ole was a disaster and the luck he got was an anomaly and something we rarely see in football. In that period McKenna was the real coach in the team in my own opinion that actually knew what he was doing
First of all he is the current interim manager and needed respect from the players. I keep reading here that the players aren’t listening to him or taking him seriously. Then that’s also on him. He has failed to gain their respect.
Then him telling obvious stuff so openly might impress some fans, but if he loses the respect of the board and they get rid or don’t take him seriously then what’s the point?
We all knew it’s not an easy board. I expected him to get top 4 and advise the board - instead he is just talking to the media non stop.
And respect is important in any role btw, not just as a manager.
That's the problem. None of them are listening. Downed tools straight away.
Great analogy. Let me tweak it for you. If you hire an interim or a manager at McDonald’s and he comes back and tells you the staff keep going off sick because the filtered drinking water machine isn’t working. It’s McDonald's job to fix it or direct you how to get it fixed. If they do neither guess what you just have an opinionated manager.
If the medical department which LVG, Jose and now Ralf has questioned needs looking into. Maybe the club should bloody do something about it or give the managers to keys to get it fixed.
If the players are not following instructions you need to drop them from the team.
Otherwise it is awful management.
Ideally you give them a fine for doing that as well.
If they are not motivated try to motivate them. I am sure they want to win as well.
Rangnick has been awful and do not say our squad is shit. We ended second with Ole and he is no world class manager either.
We have failed in absolutely every competition.
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Some players probably are downing tools, but to generalize them all as just doing it because they are terrible, dislikeable, mercenaries are just not true. There are players in there that are usually hard workers who try their best most days, yet are probably at the end of their tether. Others just can't be arsed, whereas there are players who always try regardless. As I tried to tell people, the players can motivate themselves, but they can only motivate themselves so far. It is up to the managers to push them, to make them work hard, to also make them feel good, and to make sure they put in even more effort. This is something Sir Alex was a genius at, he'd have mediocre players performing levels above themselves because he got them highly motivated. But you don't need a genius manager to make a team well-motivated, just someone competent will do. We've all been there, we've all been in workplaces where things have gotten so bad like at United, that even those of us who are usually hard-working and well-motivated, lose motivation and as a result work less because it's just not worth it.
Rangnick has developed into an arrogant man who thinks he can do no wrong and has no issue throwing the players under the bus to defend himself. It's actually worse than Mourinho because he's taking advantage of the media and fans' dislike of this team to save himself, not the club. When was the last time he took responsibility for his own actions? It was months ago when he admitted he didn't change formation in a game once. The man also thinks he can criticise the players and say half of them will be gone, and that we only have good goalkeepers, before one of our biggest games and expect them to play for him? He's mad. I work in a company where our area manager slagged us off in an email to the managers after kissing our arses during a visit, we reacted so negatively, he was in damage control for ages, but it was too late. Now he's facing an exodus or at least one that is brewing. No one wants to work for him. But with Rangnick apparently, that's acceptable because the players are dislikeable.
Napoleon once said he'd rather have a lucky general than a good one.
Drop them and play who ?
Before you say play the kids just think whether it would be fair to screw up the kids confidence and future by throwing them into the snake pit.
Kids need to be slowly introduced and not thrown into the meat grinder and hope they survive.
Ultimately its the fault of the board in rewarding mediocrity and not reigning in the player power and restoring the managers authority, this goes back to jose's time.
Yes but when luck runs out you'd rather have a good one rather than a mediocre one.
The fans (I'm hoping most are) will respect him for coming out and saying how it is, cause let's be honest, this team hasn't been bothered and should not be protected anymore.
If the board end up taking the players side over Ralf then we all know how rotten this club. But anyways, I think some on here solely think a team underperforming or not achieving a target is only on the manager, but in this case I think it's on the players more than on the manager.
A manager shouldn't be teaching effort, that should come naturally to the players, and they ain't even showing us the basic requirements of a united player.
Never highly rated as manager anyway but the positive thing is that he’s going to help up giving us advice. Hiring Conte might give us better chance for top 4 but there is likely chance that he will become the same victim as other previous managers. While hiring Rangnick and let him spent half of the season with the first team would wake the board up that these players are the main problem and we need to get rid lot of them.
Rangnick will give important advice to help our recruitment and set structure within the club. Remember, he was the one who developed Tuchel as a manager, decided to hire Hasenhüttl and Nagelsmann at Leipzig, hired Marco Rose at Salzburg. In additional, 6-7 Liverpool players were his players and signed Haaland and Kimmich.
I would take the positive for going forward.
Rangnick will give important advice to help our recruitment and set structure within the club. Remember, he was the one who developed Tuchel as a manager, decided to hire Hasenhüttl and Nagelsmann at Leipzig, hired Marco Rose at Salzburg. In additional, 6-7 Liverpool players were his players and signed Haaland and Kimmich.
I would take the positive for going forward.
It's about desire and passion as well. I just don't see with these players. Yes RR has to take some blame as well. But it feels It's all a lost cause now. We all can name 6 to 7 players from today's squad who probably don't even want to be here but are on the bench or even in the playing 11. You cannot bring desire to them. And then some are just not good enough. You can't teach a donkey to run like a horse, can you.
If my granny had balls....
Wise up. Are you defending this garbage that has been served up? Both Ole and Ralf?
Underline -> Most would if they were on hundreds of thousands per week. And lets be real no manager would slack off the players if they weren't downtooling in the first place, no smoke without fire.
Bold -> Because they did the same with ole just a few months back. Don't ignore the context.
So what was the plan today? Play a defensive system but then hold a high line? How is it that we start with 3 centre halves and a DM yet we are caught on the counter? With those players selected we should have had the bus firmly parked inside the 18 and depended on the odd counter attack to try and get a shot on goal. So either the manager doesn't know what he's doing, or the players aren't listening to him. Going to be an interesting offseason indeed...
When United spent no money and instead sold/loaned players in January, it is clear that they were not renovating the house, they were getting ready for a tear down and rebuild. So this is what we see on the pitch. Sadly.
I remember when we played Schalke in the semis a few years ago and they were a shambles defensively and I see no improvement in this side since Ralf has been here.
The only difference between ole and Ralf this season is Ole could not say a bad word about the team and Ralf cannot say a good one!
The players are on holidays, they've clocked off few weeks ago, we barely playing with any desire or fight now. Got lucky against Norwich cause Ronaldo bailed us out.
We're done in terms of any fight this season.
It's not a matter of Ralf doing a 'good managerial' role, what can he do when they off on holiday mentally and some already know they leaving the club. I won't even blame some players who ain't listening because they're off. no matter what plan Ralf came today, Liverpool would have beaten us (my opinion).
For me anyways, it's hard to point fingers anymore because the clubs in a right mess. Players just need to go and we need a new manager in and a new season asap with new players, that's all.
Er, no. Ralf is a pressing coach. He tried to implement his game plan and the players were exhausted after 45 mins vs Crystal Palace on his 1st match, and we were holding on for dear life by the end. He then tried a 4222 but again the players couldn't handle the workload for it.
Because it's impossible to do fitness conditioning mid season he's had to default back to Ole's system to get through to the end of the season.
Also his coaching team is a Frankenstein setup through no fault of his. No top coaches would leave their secure jobs to join us on such a short term contract until end of season instead. He was complaining about this in his first press conference. Because of this he said he actually wanted Carrick & McKenna both to stay.
You're a bit naive if you think its possible to turn a rank last pressing team into an elite pressing side in a few months. When Ralf arrived, we were absolute bottom in the league for every defensive metric going.
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So his plan was don’t concede in the first six minutes? Fool proof.
Out of his depth but I admire his honesty at least.
There’s no way the board hired him to say feck off to 80m in CL revenue mate. Sorry, the board expected top 4, Ralf expected top 4, this has been said by both many many times.
He’s not Ancelotti or Hiddink, you’re right. He’s much much worse, the worst manager since Dave Sexton.
A la, Gordon Ramsey! Agree! But Gordon wouldn’t be happy with the shit you’re serving in the meantime mate.
His plan was low block, long balls and counter attack while being physical and not giving too much time on the ball. Our formation supports this plan of action. However, our players decided to play the high line tiki taka and lost the ball easily when pressed and got caught out of position for the first goal. Then heads dropped and everything went to the shitter.
Why would rangnick lie ? The players ignored his instructions, either they're idiots or don't give a feck what the manager says.
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