Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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This idea from many of our fans that Ralf is blameless is complete rubbish. We were 6 points away from 4th when he arrived and we had a long good fixture run to redeem what happened earlier and we lost points in pretty much every game. Then we go to City and give up before the game even started, we go to Anfield and don't even bother. Yes their teams are way ahead of us but as a manager you still have to be able to make the team put up a fight. It's been dire and shocking pretty much from the moment he took over.

I hope he will now try and put pressure on the owners and the board to make massive changes because this is nothing but a sick joke. Even in our prime years with Sir Alec I never took for granted a win against Liverpool, they always raised their game and put up a fight against us regardless of where they were in the table. What we have done this season against them is unforgivable. 9-0 over 2 games and almost nothing created at all.

I hope Ralf and whoever comes in ships away half this team and bring in players who are not only here for money or use us as a stop gap to go to madrid or psg. Sick to death of these spineless cnuts pissing on our shirt and history the way they do.
 
VP89 said:
It comes across like you dont.
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I clearly do. Again, we've all been in workplaces where no amount of self-motivation can handle the awful conditions and culture of the places to the point we just check out and leave. This is what United is, an terribly run and terribly managed club with an awful culture and attitude, it seeps into the players and the players also help create it for various reasons. As I have said before, only a change from the top can sort this out. Whether that be the glazers let the football men do their job, and or hire a strong man manager who can change the culture and instil discipline, motivate and inspire. That was what we did with Sir Alex, and we'll have to do it again.
 
Samid said:
New game on Saturday. New chance to drop every single one he believes aren’t following his instructions. If you have any sort of credibility as a manager, why on earth would you keep playing players who don’t listen to you?
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Because he might not want to ruin the careers of the kids just to spite the senior players ?
 
The Mitcher said:
He's throwing them under the bus Mourinho style there. But apparently when he does it it's telling it like it is, when Mourinho does it, it's toxicity. I dislike Mourinho, but this is exactly what he does. Hell, it's even Moyes-esque, we have to aspire to their level essentially. When was the last time he took responsibility for his decisions? The time he didn't go 3-5-2 in a match?
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The Mitcher said:
It's partially the players, mentally anyway, they checked out because it's human nature to eventually stop caring in situations are club is in. It happens in workplaces all over the world. If they were in a club like Bayern where it's ran properly, there's a proper culture, a winning mentality, and a clear direction the club wants to go in, they would be highly motivated and playing so much better. You can see it even in smaller clubs that try to run in this way, Burnley is an example. Sure, they might get relegated this season, but the club clearly is quite a stable one considering quite a few of the players there were relegated a few years ago with them. Dyche being a manager that helps with that is important too. If you had to deal with years and years of failure, terrible management, even worse upper-management and your fellow players not bothering, how long would your motivation last? Not long.
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The Mitcher said:
Yes they are poorly coached, you can see it in the matches. You are talking emotional drivel. Do you even understand basic stuff about human nature?
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The Mitcher said:
A fraud does that, he has players that will play for him like Mata, McTominay, Fred etc. professionals. But he just continues to play the likes of Maguire and Dalot etc. who are just awful.
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The Mitcher said:
What do you mean find out about the players and staff? Do the higher ups not have a scooby doo about them at all? Isn't it Murtough and Fletcher's jobs to do exactly that? If they are relying on this man to do that, then my god...
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The Mitcher said:
Wow so now it's not the terrible coach Solskjaer's fault? The man that 90 odd percent of people on here said could not coach a side and had barely any tactical acumen? It's JUST the players. The (mostly) same players that under Ole and Mourinho finished second and third? The latter having won two trophies? That's just delusion of the highest order, these players are not total shit. They have been poorly coached and led, which has resulted in an awful culture. They are demoralized, and a strong man manager and leader is needed to instill discipline and a new work ethic. Sometimes that is all that is needed to sort some of the issues out. Yes, new players will be needed, but a change of culture is the number one priority.
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The Mitcher said:
It sounds like it worked, look where they are now :lol:
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To be clear - you don't rate Rangnick?
 
MUFC OK said:
Biggest fraud of all time. “It’s about not losing 4-0 to your biggest rivals in a game that meant so much”. Bloke has us in relegation form with a generous run of fixtures since he joined. Tell me I’m wrong.
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We’ve won 2 games in 2 months. Both were won 3-2 after individual brilliance hat-tricks from the same player, games we didn’t really deserve to win on xG (ironically a metric that was used vigorously during his first couple of months to hype him up).

2 wins in 2 months. At Manchester United. And we have fans saying the manager has no blame. Remarkable.
 
Fooza said:
:lol: come on mate

1. Mourinho shouldn't even be compared to Ralf, different times with different teams. Half this team are already on the way out, half the other team are clearly not been bothering on the pitch for a whole season. It wasn't as bad under Mourinho

2. He's right we inspire to be like Liverpool, they are one the best teams in the world under one of the best managers in the world who have the best training methods/best style and quite frankly are damn fit compared to our players. Moyes just inherited a Pl winning team (yes on the decline but wasn't as bad)

Get off your high horse and wake up
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The delusion is much in this post it doesn't even merit a proper response. The mental gymnastics to excuse his similar behaviour is just laughable.
 
Mickeza said:
Was that about Pogba?
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Rangnick on Paul Pogba’s injury: “He pulled his [calf] muscle. This is now the seventh or eighth player missing out with injury although we only play in one competition — this has to raise some questions. I’m not happy about that at all.”
 
He's had zero authority from the start. He's not picking the team. The board are. There's no way he'd be playing some of these players constantly otherwise.

Another Glazer puppet.
 
“It’s about..” mr fecking highlight again.. please feck off and never return, don’t pretend that you have the tools for this level.
 
The Mitcher said:
He's throwing them under the bus Mourinho style there. But apparently when he does it it's telling it like it is, when Mourinho does it, it's toxicity. I dislike Mourinho, but this is exactly what he does. Hell, it's even Moyes-esque, we have to aspire to their level essentially. When was the last time he took responsibility for his decisions? The time he didn't go 3-5-2 in a match?
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Have you watched United play lately?
United gets outworked on the pitch every game by a large margin.
No manager can do anything if the players have downed tools.
United has failed in recruitment since before Fergie retired.
Let's just hope this is the start of a real rebuild.
 
The Mitcher said:
The delusion is much in this post it doesn't even merit a proper response. The mental gymnastics to excuse his similar behaviour is just laughable.
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:lol: The good ol' delusion post reply because poster can't come out with a decent response. If you can't admit Liverpool are way ahead and we want to be like them some day. The delusion is with you mate
 
The Mitcher said:
Well explain to me why he moans about players who don't listen to him yet continues to play them? Is he just intentionally sabotaging us at this point?
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Well for a start McFred we're starting every game under him. Fred is injured now as was Scott. And Mata great professional that he is...hasn't the physicality nor legs to keep up with this game.

Simple answer..it's all there is, he's hoping this shower will show abit of Professional pride. They don't. And they haven't for a long time
 
Roario said:
Have you watched United play lately?
United gets outworked on the pitch every game by a large margin.
No manager can do anything if the players have downed tools.
United has failed in recruitment since before Fergie retired.
Let's just hope this is the start of a real rebuild.
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He literally had his chance to sort that out when he first arrived, even Ole managed to after Mourinho left. The man is incapable of managing this team it seems.
 
The Mitcher said:
I think Murtough and Fletcher clearly do, they have him here because of his reputation and want him to instill some kind of playing style and culture in the club. But so far I don't see him showing anything of the sort.
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Yes but you need more than a few month’s to change a culture at a club, this will take time but hopefully with Rangnicks well documented experience in building clubs, he will help to get the right manager, players and ethos and if this has been a calculated decision from Murtough and Arnold to do that then I think it’s smart.

I hope he was never brought in to just get us into top 4 and he was only available because he had some sort of past relationship with Murtough and thought “feck it I’ll help John out, I owe him a few beers anyway” but like I said, you never now at this club right now.
 
Samid said:
We’ve won 2 games in 2 months. Both were won 3-2 after individual brilliance hat-tricks from the same player, games we didn’t really deserve to win on xG (ironically a metric that was used vigorously during his first couple of months to hype him up).

2 wins in 2 months. At Manchester United. And we have fans saying the manager has no blame. Remarkable.
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We should be winning more than 2 games even without a manager.

No one is saying the manager is not to blame, we're saying the players are more to blame than the manager.
 
Fooza said:
:lol: The good ol' delusion post reply because poster can't come out with a decent response. If you can't admit Liverpool are way ahead and we want to be like them some day. The delusion is with you mate
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Mate, Liverpool may well be ahead of us. That much is obvious, but if a manager can't even instill fight in a team against them, after months of opportunity to at least address some of our issues then he isn't good enough. Liverpool always raise their game against us, there wasn't a game in Anfield were they didn't try, no matter how bad their season was. This season we didn't bother and it's not down to the players entirely.
 
Ralf has been poor but the players are clearly either not doing what they are told or aren’t able to. That first half against Palace showed what he wants the players to do but without any signings he realized he had to adapt to get us sitting back more, We look like our players aren’t fit enough.
Maguire and De Gea are the antithesis of a high line team.
 
Roario said:
Have you watched United play lately?
United gets outworked on the pitch every game by a large margin.
No manager can do anything if the players have downed tools.
United has failed in recruitment since before Fergie retired.
Let's just hope this is the start of a real rebuild.
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Even if players downtool it is the managers fault.
 
Samid said:
We’ve won 2 games in 2 months. Both were won 3-2 after individual brilliance hat-tricks from the same player, games we didn’t really deserve to win on xG (ironically a metric that was used vigorously during his first couple of months to hype him up).

2 wins in 2 months. At Manchester United. And we have fans saying the manager has no blame. Remarkable.
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Worst managerial appointment in history. He’s made us worse than we were before. At least with carrack there was some fight.
 
MUFC OK said:
“It’s about…” this bloke is a disgrace to our football club. Ole was chastised for “not playing the United way” when this guy has had relegation form since he joined :lol: Today was the worst I’ve seen from a United side EVER.
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Should I tell you you're wrong now?
 
It's pretty clear the players never liked him from the off and he doesn't rate the player's workrate or fitness either. A terrible match but at least he's fecking telling the world what's wrong at the club.
 
Irwin99 said:
It's pretty clear the players never liked him from the off and he doesn't rate the player's workrate or fitness either. A terrible match but at least he's fecking telling the world what's wrong at the club.
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The whole world already knows what he's been saying. We're not blind, we can see it in front of us.
 
Roario said:
Have you watched United play lately?
United gets outworked on the pitch every game by a large margin.
No manager can do anything if the players have downed tools.
United has failed in recruitment since before Fergie retired.
Let's just hope this is the start of a real rebuild.
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Maybe he could play some of the kids? And not let go players who do want to play for the club, like DVB. If he is serious about implementing a system, it could have been done. He's had four months.
 
The Mitcher said:
Mate, Liverpool may well be ahead of us. That much is obvious, but if a manager can't even instill fight in a team against them, after months of opportunity to at least address some of our issues then he isn't good enough. Liverpool always raise their game against us, there wasn't a game in Anfield were they didn't try, no matter how bad their season was. This season we didn't bother and it's not down to the players entirely.
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It is because they did it under Ole in the same season and lost 5-0 to Liverpool?

In previous years overall they were a disappointment under Mourinho, under Van Gaal and under Moyes

Question is...when will you start looking at the players
 
Tactically he’s fine.

But he doesn’t have the players to do anything but counter attack, his best players keep getting injured, half his team is leaving at the end of the year and had bad attitudes to begin with.

Think he is a bit too honest and not inspirational enough to influence this squad however. The players don’t like him or respect him, and realise he’s going to tell the new manager to sack them anyway.
 
The Mitcher said:
How has he been good? How has that match and most of his matches under us not been amongst the worst we have ever played?
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I didnt say he's good but he's clearly not the WORST managerial appoitment ever and you have to take into account the players and them giving up. Massive clearout is needed. And I'm looking forward to him going into the offices.
 
He talks stuff up but is still playing or including players gone in a few weeks. I thought he was about long term? Why arent we playing players who will be here next season or giving youth more game time?

you cant really argue its ‘because theres a chance of top 4’ when hes literally saying the players on the pitch ignore instructions.
 
Samid said:
Plenty are in this thread.
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No they aren't. Everyone knows rangnick isn't a top level manager. However, with these players even top level manager would fail, its one thing to not have quality its quite another to downtool.

If players downtool then it is the fault of the players.
 
Coops73 said:
Don’t laugh but the only tiny fragment of hope that I cling to by the very tips of my fingers is that getting Ralph Rangnick in was purely to find out about the players and staff at the club.

A fact finding mission rather than trying to get us into top 4. Go in, assess, report back at the end of the season and then stay on, help rebuild the club with a style of play and a plan that will bring us consistency whoever manages the club and that in a few years we will looking at Murtough or Arnold and saying what a genius idea it was they had….

Like I said, don’t laugh.
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I feel the exact same way you do.

From all the options we could have gone for like Conte or Valverde, we went for Ralf. Conte or Valverde are known title winners, whilst Ralf is more of a club infrastructure builder. I feel like us appointing him over the likes of those two is a positive move to addressing some of the real issues at United and it feels like United want to sort out these issues for good, rather than opt for the quick fix in Conte or Valverde, because they were the best available CVs at the time.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Who?
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Yeah lets pretend this appointment wasn’t a complete disaster. When was the last time we got beat worse than this at anfield? They’re gonna play for Ronnie, you never know.. got absolutely battered.

scousers are laughing their Way to bed, must be some sort of utopian dream for them. The quad is coming.
 
The Mitcher said:
He literally had his chance to sort that out when he first arrived, even Ole managed to after Mourinho left. The man is incapable of managing this team it seems.
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The same players downed tools for Ole.
This match was a replica of Ole's last against Liverpool.
They got Mourinho and Ole fired, it's time to get them out.
 
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