Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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I don't get why he isn't trying more young lads, at least from the bench. I suppose it might be a case of they're not good enough either, but the season is dead and we're more likely to pick up points with some young lads hoping to impress the next manager (who's undoubtedly watching the games).
 
He’s been up against it from day one but I don’t rate him highly at all as a manager, plus I think he has checked out like most of the players.
 
Glad we didn’t hire a long term with this crappy team. The team eats at confidence of everyone that touches them. Ralf has a job to do with whatever manager comes in.
 
The players wouldn’t even adjust to his system. As if they had a winning formula. We have a worst situation when it comes to player power than PSG.
 
m1tch said:
I don't get why he isn't trying more young lads, at least from the bench. I suppose it might be a case of they're not good enough either, but the season is dead and we're more likely to pick up points with some young lads hoping to impress the next manager (who's undoubtedly watching the games).
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Agree with the sentiment but think its unfair to put them in this situation. These players need to take all the bullets to the end, next season give the youth a fresh slate
 
charlenefan said:
Tuchel came in halfway through a season didn't sign anyone and won the UCL at Chelsea taking over from Lampard who may relegate Everton

No one expected that kind of impact from RR but what they also didn't expect were stats like these



Countless other managers have come in and saved clubs from relegation by putting runs of form together, RR has literally done nothing. Our longest winning run under RR is two games and we've only been able to win two games in a row under him twice and he's been here for 4 months. He failed in the FA Cup to Championship Middlesbrough, he failed in the UCL to the worst Athletico side in years and he's failing to finish above Arteta's Arsenal.
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Man that guy is a fraud or a genius. Maybe, he is doing so badly so that ETH will have it easier. Regardless, I expect even big Sam to have a better record if he managed us. I don't know why he should even be considered for the consulting gig when he has such a poor record as a interim.
 
Id say a lot of the players have downed tools when he has come in and told them some hard truths.
 
Silverman said:
Id say a lot of the players have downed tools when he has come in and told them some hard truths.
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Pretty much what I think. Also, from the press leaks, it seems that some of our players didn’t enjoy having to work harder in training. Don’t know what they’re expecting under Ten Hag because it won’t be any different.
 
m1tch said:
I don't get why he isn't trying more young lads, at least from the bench. I suppose it might be a case of they're not good enough either, but the season is dead and we're more likely to pick up points with some young lads hoping to impress the next manager (who's undoubtedly watching the games).
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At this point, we should be. We have 0 chance of top 4 now. The situation is the same as it was when Giggs was interim manager. Drop those who will be gone for sure - Pogba, Lingard, Mata etc - from the squad, and replace them with youth players. Give them chances as much as possible so the the new manager has a sample to work with. At least we saw Hannibal on the bench today, more of that going forward please.
 
To be some of the highest paid players in world football and openly just give up on a season because you know the interim guy is not going to be there for long is just disgusting.

It's getting to the point that we have to think about paying out some contracts and releasing players just to remove the rot.
 
The players might be bad but he is just as bad as them. He's easily the worst manager post SAF and that's a hell of a feat considering the shite we've been through in the last 9 years.

I can't think of one redeeming quality he's shown as manager here. Moyes was the only manager that achieved that but he was clearly overawed, RR isn't, he's confident but shit at the same time. A remarkable trait actually. At least Ole had man management, Ralf has been woeful with that too.
 
m1tch said:
I don't get why he isn't trying more young lads, at least from the bench. I suppose it might be a case of they're not good enough either, but the season is dead and we're more likely to pick up points with some young lads hoping to impress the next manager (who's undoubtedly watching the games).
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The season isn't dead, although if we continue to play like we did yesterday it soon will be.
 
El Jefe said:
The players might be bad but he is just as bad as them. He's easily the worst manager post SAF and that's a hell of a feat considering the shite we've been through in the last 9 years.

I can't think of one redeeming quality he's shown as manager here. Moyes was the only manager that achieved that but he was clearly overawed, RR isn't, he's confident but shit at the same time. A remarkable trait actually. At least Ole had man management, Ralf has been woeful with that too.
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the narrative is laughable. ‘The players cant press’. We fecking knew that, thats why this useless clown cnut is so bad because he tried to get them playing football based around fitness they didnt have.

Its like claiming you are going to make a lasagne from the ingredients for a sausage and mash and then blaming your ingredients for the shit result.

Pressing isnt the only way of playing football but hes another of these managers that has a one trick pony Philosophy based style and isnt really a tactician.

Heres another thought - if he couldn't identify that when he saw this squad how is he capable of being some sort of long term planning consultant? If he cant identify these players cant press how can he identify signings who can do that in future? I call bullshit on the whole thing personally
 
El Jefe said:
The players might be bad but he is just as bad as them. He's easily the worst manager post SAF and that's a hell of a feat considering the shite we've been through in the last 9 years.

I can't think of one redeeming quality he's shown as manager here. Moyes was the only manager that achieved that but he was clearly overawed, RR isn't, he's confident but shit at the same time. A remarkable trait actually. At least Ole had man management, Ralf has been woeful with that too.
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Ole had good man management? How exactly?

And Ole suffered the worst league defeat in this club's history when Liverpool pasted us by 5 at OT and could have scored 7 or 8.

Rangnick has been terrible, but he didn't have 3 years and 400 mil to spend only to end up 10th when he got sacked after numerous embarrassing performances in 1 season.
 
Could see warning signs early on, while that Palace first 45 mins did seem promising it quickly went and were saved by a rare Fred goal. Norwich we were saved by penalty 1-0. As each match went on we were really scraping on the ground of goals and we saw again with Newcastle, fast forward to recently with Leicester, Fred again saved us from a 1-0 defeat. Today couldn't even fashion a goal, just a couple of attempts from Rashford.

Thought before he came he would probably struggle to get the players onside and might be too blunt with them and lacking in character but he has a difficult task to lift this sad group and have not wanted to buy into his ideas or thoughts.

Ralf has pretty much called the squad out last week on how United should go about recruiting future players and they only returned in kind today.
 
Jezpeza said:
the narrative is laughable. ‘The players cant press’. We fecking knew that, thats why this useless clown cnut is so bad because he tried to get them playing football based around fitness they didnt have.

Its like claiming you are going to make a lasagne from the ingredients for a sausage and mash and then blaming your ingredients for the shit result.

Pressing isnt the only way of playing football but hes another of these managers that has a one trick pony Philosophy based style and isnt really a tactician.

Heres another thought - if he couldn't identify that when he saw this squad how is he capable of being some sort of long term planning consultant? If he cant identify these players cant press how can he identify signings who can do that in future? I call bullshit on the whole thing personally
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Way too much stock seems to have been placed on the importance the role Ralf will have after this season. First off for some bizarre reason many thought he was going to be taking up some sort Director of Football position and would be rebuilding the club. When for anyone that was paying attention in the official statement when he was appointed it only said he would be a consultant nothing more.

It's quite likely the job will only exist because we were desperate for an experienced interim manager so when we approached Ralf to leave a cushy job in Russia (3 year contract until 2024) he demanded United give him an equivalent job with a similar contract/salary after his time as manager and that's where his consultancy role comes in (6 months Interim and 2 years as a 'consultant' until 2024). They'll probably phone him up once or twice a month and that'll be the extent of it in all likelihood, it doesn't seem like the club are or were planning on Rangnick having a major role behind the scenes.
 
If its all the players fault and there is nothing the manager can do, then why is he even here? If his role is so utterly pointless he should be back in Russia
 
I've been thinking about Ralf's appointment for the past couple of weeks and there are a couple of things which comes to my mind. Obviously his performances aren't at that level at all. Maybe he doesn't have the players to carry out his tactics, maybe he's not cut out for the PL, we don't know. But one question which is bugging me, why was he hired as "interim" in the first place?

I can think of 2 things. Ralf isn't a manager per se. He is one of the best sporting/technical directors out there. He is known for building clubs, not managing on the pitch. So why did we hire him? Perhaps our objective in appointing Ralf was to fix everything that has been wrong with the club from 2013. We have gone around the full circle of trying out various different managers, changed strategies, bought players, sold players, etc. and we still haven't improved at any level. Maybe the reasons for appointing Ralf is to get a sense of all that is wrong with the club today - on and off the pitch. Nothing is right at the moment - they know it, the players know it, and we know it.

Surely there were better options for an interim manager, but I feel most of those solutions would be very short term. We wanted someone to steady the ship up until we hire a proper manager. And a proper manager (like ETH or Poch) wouldn't have been available until May 2022. I don't think he was ever going to be permanent. Because I think the club's objective has been long term, which is a a very positive sign. If we are to build in the long term, we need his input. In terms of players - He would by now know which ones in the current squad are PL material, which ones don't give a sh*t, and what sort of players we need to get back to our best. Hiring a random manager, and buying random players has not worked and cannot work. This is also in relation to the club because for the greater part of 9 years, we haven't done sh*t. We need a reset. And I think to do that, he needed to be in the centre of everything, as the manager and take a holistic view of everything. This is also why he will stay on as a consultant for the next 2 years.

I think that the club desperately wants a change, and were willing to sacrifice this season so that we can lay a solid foundation for the long term. And right all the wrongs that have happened.
 
I think what he hasn’t done is show passion for the game and some anger. When Conte had a few bad results at Spurs he called them out and went mad.
I’m not a fan of throwing players under the bus but I think on this occasion it’s needed. Why not go in to a post match press conference and say things like “I need my captain to step up and play like he does when he’s playing for his country”. “I need Pogba to play like he’s one of the highest paid midfielders in the world”.
It’s time to call out the ones who can’t be bothered.
 
Jezpeza said:
the narrative is laughable. ‘The players cant press’. We fecking knew that, thats why this useless clown cnut is so bad because he tried to get them playing football based around fitness they didnt have.

Its like claiming you are going to make a lasagne from the ingredients for a sausage and mash and then blaming your ingredients for the shit result.

Pressing isnt the only way of playing football but hes another of these managers that has a one trick pony Philosophy based style and isnt really a tactician.

Heres another thought - if he couldn't identify that when he saw this squad how is he capable of being some sort of long term planning consultant? If he cant identify these players cant press how can he identify signings who can do that in future? I call bullshit on the whole thing personally
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There is no reason why the likes of Rashford and others couldn’t press properly if they really wanted to. It’s simply down to training and the will to do so.
 
Jezpeza said:
the narrative is laughable. ‘The players cant press’. We fecking knew that, thats why this useless clown cnut is so bad because he tried to get them playing football based around fitness they didnt have.

Its like claiming you are going to make a lasagne from the ingredients for a sausage and mash and then blaming your ingredients for the shit result.

Pressing isnt the only way of playing football but hes another of these managers that has a one trick pony Philosophy based style and isnt really a tactician.

Heres another thought - if he couldn't identify that when he saw this squad how is he capable of being some sort of long term planning consultant? If he cant identify these players cant press how can he identify signings who can do that in future? I call bullshit on the whole thing personally
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This is bollocks. He's no different to other managers who have a preferred way of playing. Klopp did the same at Liverpool and finished 7th,as several players weren't cut out for that style. Klopp however had time and money to replace them with players who did fit it. Ralf has not been able to replace anyone, nor will he as he'll soon be gone. The criticism he's received is unfair. Solskjaer is to blame for lazy self entitled culture and the appalling state of the team
 
ReallyUSA said:
The players wouldn’t even adjust to his system. As if they had a winning formula. We have a worst situation when it comes to player power than PSG.
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This is exactly the issue. The players are way to powerful. Which is weird given how shite they are. Ten Hag won't fair any better if he is not given permission to boot the divas from the team.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
This is bollocks. He's no different to other managers who have a preferred way of playing. Klopp did the same at Liverpool and finished 7th,as several players weren't cut out for that style. Klopp however had time and money to replace them with players who did fit it. Ralf has not been able to replace anyone, nor will he as he'll soon be gone. The criticism he's received is unfair. Solskjaer is to blame for lazy self entitled culture and the appalling state of the team
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But klopp was the permanent manager, not an interim. An interims job is to steady the ship and rescue the season, not force a philosophy on a squad of players that can't do it only for a different manager with a different philosophy to then take over permanently.

What has puzzled me isnt so much the lack of pressing, its the lack of fast transitions all the talk of Rangnicks famed 10 second clock in training, because that was something we were good at under Ole, one of the best counter attacking sides in the league very dangerous and good at fast transitions.

The only thing Ralf has managed to do has made us slightly more solid defensivly but everything else is awful, there is no good football being played, a much bigger reliance on individual brilliance with much less individual brilliance actually happening.
 
Thiagoal said:
How about bench all the players that don’t give a shit and pick some kids with desire and hunger to perform?
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What if the youth players aren't ready and get smashed? It's not a great experience. Benching the players who don't care is only making their lives easier. I'd prefer Ralf to publicly call out the individuals who aren't putting in the effort. Name and shame them. One thing they do care about is their public image
 
It just can't be the manager all the time. I have walked out of games this season, where I didn't see the effort from players. If I had went to the game yesterday I would have done a runner also.
Whoever the next manager may be he has his work cut out, and until most or all of the players that just don't bother are got rid of, we won't become a force again.
 
Longshanks said:
But klopp was the permanent manager, not an interim. An interims job is to steady the ship and rescue the season, not force a philosophy on a squad of players that can't do it only for a different manager with a different philosophy to then take over permanently.

What has puzzled me isnt so much the lack of pressing, its the lack of fast transitions all the talk of Rangnicks famed 10 second clock in training, because that was something we were good at under Ole, one of the best counter attacking sides in the league very dangerous and good at fast transitions.

The only thing Ralf has managed to do has made us slightly more solid defensivly but everything else is awful, there is no good football being played, a much bigger reliance on individual brilliance with much less individual brilliance actually happening.
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Or test/ put players in a position of choosing to stay or go ahead of a new manager?
 
redshaw said:
Could see warning signs early on, while that Palace first 45 mins did seem promising it quickly went and were saved by a rare Fred goal. Norwich we were saved by penalty 1-0. As each match went on we were really scraping on the ground of goals and we saw again with Newcastle, fast forward to recently with Leicester, Fred again saved us from a 1-0 defeat. Today couldn't even fashion a goal, just a couple of attempts from Rashford.

Thought before he came he would probably struggle to get the players onside and might be too blunt with them and lacking in character but he has a difficult task to lift this sad group and have not wanted to buy into his ideas or thoughts.

Ralf has pretty much called the squad out last week on how United should go about recruiting future players and they only returned in kind today.
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See how the Chelsea players reacted after their defeat to Real, and Tuchel’s comments in the media? That’s how our players should react.
 
RiqCantona said:
I've been thinking about Ralf's appointment for the past couple of weeks and there are a couple of things which comes to my mind. Obviously his performances aren't at that level at all. Maybe he doesn't have the players to carry out his tactics, maybe he's not cut out for the PL, we don't know. But one question which is bugging me, why was he hired as "interim" in the first place?

I can think of 2 things. Ralf isn't a manager per se. He is one of the best sporting/technical directors out there. He is known for building clubs, not managing on the pitch. So why did we hire him? Perhaps our objective in appointing Ralf was to fix everything that has been wrong with the club from 2013. We have gone around the full circle of trying out various different managers, changed strategies, bought players, sold players, etc. and we still haven't improved at any level. Maybe the reasons for appointing Ralf is to get a sense of all that is wrong with the club today - on and off the pitch. Nothing is right at the moment - they know it, the players know it, and we know it.

Surely there were better options for an interim manager, but I feel most of those solutions would be very short term. We wanted someone to steady the ship up until we hire a proper manager. And a proper manager (like ETH or Poch) wouldn't have been available until May 2022. I don't think he was ever going to be permanent. Because I think the club's objective has been long term, which is a a very positive sign. If we are to build in the long term, we need his input. In terms of players - He would by now know which ones in the current squad are PL material, which ones don't give a sh*t, and what sort of players we need to get back to our best. Hiring a random manager, and buying random players has not worked and cannot work. This is also in relation to the club because for the greater part of 9 years, we haven't done sh*t. We need a reset. And I think to do that, he needed to be in the centre of everything, as the manager and take a holistic view of everything. This is also why he will stay on as a consultant for the next 2 years.

I think that the club desperately wants a change, and were willing to sacrifice this season so that we can lay a solid foundation for the long term. And right all the wrongs that have happened.
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Very good post. I completely agree. Just my opinion, but I think they were so keen to have Ralf's directing expertise in the summer they were prepared to accept he would, at best, steady the ship and stop the run of losing by 3 or 4 goals every week. He's done that. Anything else would be a bonus.

If someone holds the belief that he was brought in primarily to transform the squad into top 4 and win a trophy then I can see why they might be disappointed with him. I just disagree with that view because I really don't think they expected him to turn us into a good team in less than 6 months.

The next manager will only stand a chance if the club accepts that 90% of the current squad need to be moved on over the next few windows.

Maybe I'm being naive, but I think the club not making a panic appointment to get short term results, might actually be a sign something is finally changing for the better.
 
GaryLifo said:
Very good post. I completely agree. Just my opinion, but I think they were so keen to have Ralf's directing expertise in the summer they were prepared to accept he would, at best, steady the ship and stop the run of losing by 3 or 4 goals every week. He's done that. Anything else would be a bonus.

If someone holds the belief that he was brought in primarily to transform the squad into top 4 and win a trophy then I can see why they might be disappointed with him. I just disagree with that view because I really don't think they expected him to turn us into a good team in less than 6 months.

The next manager will only stand a chance if the club accepts that 90% of the current squad need to be moved on over the next few windows.

Maybe I'm being naive, but I think the club not making a panic appointment to get short term results, might actually be a sign something is finally changing for the better.
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That and also - if we hired an interim manager like for example Carrick, and if he managed to finish 3rd/4th, get the team playing better, etc - the press and all of us would push for Carrick to be permanent manager. And its true because "Carrick" would make a strong case.We would again miss out on our first choice manager. For once, I feel we are not making the same mistakes of the past and rather taking time.
 
Thiagoal said:
How about bench all the players that don’t give a shit and pick some kids with desire and hunger to perform?
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You are assuming he's got the power to do that. There are rumours suggesting he doesn't have full control over it.
 
El Jefe said:
The players might be bad but he is just as bad as them. He's easily the worst manager post SAF and that's a hell of a feat considering the shite we've been through in the last 9 years.

I can't think of one redeeming quality he's shown as manager here. Moyes was the only manager that achieved that but he was clearly overawed, RR isn't, he's confident but shit at the same time. A remarkable trait actually. At least Ole had man management, Ralf has been woeful with that too.
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Same ole who left us after hammerings v liverpool city watford & Leicester?

lolololol
 
Josep Dowling said:
See how the Chelsea players reacted after their defeat to Real, and Tuchel’s comments in the media? That’s how our players should react.
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To be fair, Everton are fighting for their lives while Southampton's season is kinda over.

Also that "distance covered' stat is kinda miss-leading. You had 70% possession, of course they had to run a ton more.
 
Sadly it’s not worked it has it but I think there’s a number of reasons why. The main one is coaching. I don’t think he was able to bring in who he wanted and to implement anything new you really need your best people around you. The timing was also really bad given the sacking of Ole and the fixture pile up.

Anyway role on the end of the season when we can get a proper set up in place.
 
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