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Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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a sensible post.
Sancho seems better... That's about the start and end of the list.
There are questions he has to answer also.
a. we don't actually know what a 2022 Rangnick team would look like since he has taken breaks from the game. People assume it would mirror the system Hassenhuttl employs at Southampton, but unlike most top managers who are active, its not certain.
b. He's never managed a top club before. The Liepzig tactics may not translate to us or a bayern or a madrid. Again people have always mirrored what Klopp, Tuchel or Nagelsman employ as evidence of the possibility of success with Rangnick. However those were tactics crafted and manufactured by those managers; they simply got some of the ideas from Rangnick. It's a bit similar to Bielsa in that regard.
c. How will he handle the rebuild for us. He is an older manager with less time to impress with a massive project looking for a legacy. We've seen this before in LVG and Mourinho. We had our squad ruthlessly broken apart by LVG, only to then sign a multitude of average players to replace some of our better ones. No doubt he is better in the recruitment side of things than either Mou or LVG, but the type of power he would like to command may be a problem long term.
These are all questions that have not been answered without even considering the on the pitch performances. We still struggle controlling games, we still have elements of poor defending, we aren't winning and don't look like we will be winning. The players may not be the best and in truth our biggest issue over the years has been allowing poor performers to stay for years without pressure. This led to our standards slipping with previous managers using failing players for their own agendas rather than the performance of the club. In fact, one could actually point to that as being one of our key mistakes over the years.
1. From Fergie to LVG - Smalling and Jones were kept and defensive signings were limited to try to make sure they were United's first choice due to their support from Fergie regardless of multiple errors or mistakes.. We never signed Vidic and Ferdinands replacements due to this.
2. Moyes, LVG and Mourinho keeping Fellani as a loyal long ball option without him actually providing quality to our team.
3. LVG destroying our team by selling off everyone to play the 352 and show he could use our academy (which did not have many good players at the time) only to then switch back to a 433 midseason and alienating many existing players.
4. Mourinho's insistence and Ole's persistence in trying to make Scott Mctominay a first choice option. The first half of 19/20 showed the failure of a Fred and Mctominay midfield and we have persisted with it till now.
5. The insistence of Ole and some of our own fans to not sign players to accommodate the development of Martial, Rashford and Greenwood despite inconsistent performances.
6. Pogba - Ole kept Pogba on for his full tenure despite our issues with him persisting with Mourinho and his lack of appearances. In that period we were woeful in midfield and we did not solve the issue, waiting for each summer to pass with no developments on Pogba's situation or a midfield signing to compete with or replace him. It's also partially responsible for why we still play with Fred and Mctominay in midfield.
These weren't simply recruitment blunders, but a tell of managerial egos and penchant for lack of control without proper direction, something which Fergie never needed, but we quickly learned was not the same for the others.
Sancho has improved a lot. McTominay has played his best football of the season under Rangnick.
The (obvious) problem we have is Shaw, AWB and Maguire remaining as shite as they have been all season (with inadequate and/or crocked back-ups) as well the total fiasco up front, which I don’t think anyone can blame Rangnick for.
He’s been dealt an absolutely horrendous hand from the moment he took over. Completely unsolvable in such a short space of time. Weird how so many fans can’t see this.
How exactly? By fluking his way Vs PSG and by losing 5 of the last 10 league games while drawing 2 and missing top four?
Takeaways from the game:
- We were ok in the first half, but the goals that we concede were just basic defending mistakes. Sancho got a good goal back.
- We played some nice football in the first half but the second half was just atrocious. Some of these players just need to hang their heads in shame. What a disgraceful performance in the second half.
- Pogba again chickened out in a big game.
- Fernandez was at his moaning and whining best. Abyssal performance from him.
- As for the rest of team, can't think of anyone who put in a decent shift.
- Rashford and Lingard for subs, like seriously. Why is Lingard even getting any minutes is beyond a joke. Why not give those minutes to someone like Mejbri, who can't do any worse than this for sure.
- These so called superstars playing for a club like Manchester United could not string together 4 passes. The first touch, the basic passing everything is just so mediocre. Some of them should never be allowed to wear that shirt again. Hope the next manager that comes in, be ruthless in cutting down this squad.
- City gave us a proper schooling in the second half. The gulf in class between the 2 teams was so evident. We are years behind them at the moment,
Some of our players are uncoachable.
I'm convinced that even pep couldn't coach awb, mct, maguire, fred to hold the ball and pass or pogba and rashford to press.
Pep knows he can't waive a magic wand and turn turd into gold, he did the next best thing which to get rid of half the squad and bring in technical players with the right mentality.
I dunno about that. They don't seem to have any guts about them. Fergie would bin most of them.
Nah, the new manager bounce. This season isn't over though.. today was only the first of a tough couple of weeks
I would argue that last season was better, he scored a couple of important goals for us and actually dominated games.
We can question his decisions but he really was thrown under the bus in the Jan transfer window.
The fact he wasn't allowed buy a DM ended our chances of top 4.
The fact he wasn't allowed buy a DM ended our chances of top 4.
We are not improving and got smashed today. Really need a manager with some quality to improve us tactically.
It may be that there is a lot of truth and in that. But it’s been pretty terrible on the whole. There is a risk of finishing 6th or lower and that really shouldn’t happen. And if it does, we’re even more fecked for next season.
Can examine it til May but anyone with a shred of common sense can see he’s not a very good manager. Simple as that
He's told the media over and over that the players don't press for more than 30 minutes a game, it seems pretty clear that wasn't the instructions. I think at this point he'd nstopped asking since they can't/won't do it. I don't think our players are fit enough to do it, myself.
Very strange situation. He started off praising Fred and McT when he got here as the sort of energetic player he needs. Then he saw how bad they are. I get the impression Ralf can't polish this turd midfield into a mirror, and he's just waiting for summer so he can bring in two midfielders.
I don't think the DVB one was, he just wasn't getting games, the Martial was an odd one given the stiker situation, but perhaps he'd just downed tools, and so was left with little choice.
Let's not forget he was happy to see Lingard go too. I see Ralf as very matter of fact, and I don't think he wants players around who don't want to be there, or he doesn't rate, even if it leaves us short, but this is a trait that could be good in the summer though, as we need some emotionless big decsions to be made.
If pep and klop coached you would turn into prime maradona ?
Rangnicks tactic is to press. What do pogba, rashford and lingard do ? They stroll around and we get over-run and then you bash the manager and say there were no tactics.
It's not an attitude problem, its a quality problem in midfield. Our midfielders can't take advantage of pressing forwards because they don't have the intelligence to block off the potential for spaces in the middle. Our midfield is to easy to penetrate, because our midfielders lack positioning and anticipation. This then comes of as our press or opposition counter showing us to look disorganized, when in reality its simply one area of the pitch; an area which happens to be the largest on the field.
Thing is we did better last season under Ole. We have taken so many steps backwards. It is clear the management is a massive problem.
I’ve found the analogy, we just put in a Bielsa Leeds performance v United.
I’m not a fan of “being brave” and getting spanked but maybe that’s just me.
Edit: our energy was no way near that of a Leeds team second half.
I’m not a fan of “being brave” and getting spanked but maybe that’s just me.
Edit: our energy was no way near that of a Leeds team second half.
He got an absolutely unbalanced and overpaid squad not suitable to make his ideas of how to play football work.
Difficult to tell how good/bad a coach he really is. What is known though is that a lot of our players are just not good enough.
Difficult to tell how good/bad a coach he really is. What is known though is that a lot of our players are just not good enough.
It’s unbelievable that some of you still believe the managers are the problem. How many times does this squad of bluffers need to slap you across the face for you right to realize they’re rotten. FFS.
The interim manager...is waiting til the summer...that's brilliant isn't it?
It's unbelievable you could have watched that game and not thought the tactics were shit.
What's he improved? Anything?
Just limping over the line until the summer. Fair enough Ole had to go as the team had given up but this appointment has basically just thrown top 4 away. If you want a manager you go get one and pay the money.
Now we are heading to Thursday night football and a much poorer attraction. It's backwards logic.
Just limping over the line until the summer. Fair enough Ole had to go as the team had given up but this appointment has basically just thrown top 4 away. If you want a manager you go get one and pay the money.
Now we are heading to Thursday night football and a much poorer attraction. It's backwards logic.
We did not do better last season. Our rivals were worse than us.
And empty stadiums helped us massively because the fragile mentality of our players was spared due to lack of any fans upping the ante.
Whenever the pressure was up under ole we bottled it, be it the cup exists in the semis or the europa final.
Our players are not utd quality in technique or mentality.
Funny you say that.
Ole F14, A11 and Ralf F10, A11 after today. Ole is 3 points and 4 goals better off from the exact same fixtures.
One manager was crucified (rightly so) and lost his job for it, the other is being is being hailed as the best thing since slice bread. The double standards here are pretty damning.
RR seems to know what he is talking about. What actually happened on the pitch is very different.
I think it would be better if he goes upstairs and get a new coach. Some of them need to go. We need a complete overhaul. From the DOF to the coaches.
I think it would be better if he goes upstairs and get a new coach. Some of them need to go. We need a complete overhaul. From the DOF to the coaches.
Okay, but even if it's a quality problem, surely the staff should know this and try to plan around it. Instead we just went toe to toe with them in their own backyard. Almost pulled it off in the first half when they were sleeping, then they upped a few gears and blew us away. Maybe it would've been prudent to field a back 5? We looked so exposed today, even in the first half. City players left alone in or around the box.
He’s clearly not working miracles but he took over an absolute shit show, a disjointed, overpaid squad. A manager that left behind a terrible culture and work ethic. He’s also not a passive, defensive, counter attacking manager like Jose and Ole so there wasn’t going to be a quick fix.
Problem is if it doesn’t improve I doubt he’ll even stay as a consultant so we’ll actually miss out on using him for what he is most qualified to do.
Problem is if it doesn’t improve I doubt he’ll even stay as a consultant so we’ll actually miss out on using him for what he is most qualified to do.
Literally everything. Results. Chances created. Goals conceded. Points per game. Everything. It’s all been better under him this season than it was under Ole. Note, I’m talking about this season because it’s this season’s squad of players he has to work with.
The problem we have is that a slight improvement on the performances under Ole this season isn’t enough to make us one of the four best teams in the league. That’s how far we’d fallen before Rangnick took over.
Absolutely the problems here were here way before he arrived. Needs to go upstairs and plan recruitment for the next 3 to five years. It will be painful initially but stick with it and we’ll reap the rewards. Stupid statement Brian clough sir Alex Matt busby Klopp or pep, god himself couldn’t manage this lot, something seriously wrong there.
Playing agains City's like playing someone with cheat codes. Still, is no excuse for that. WTF! Was the same in the end of Ole's reign. They just gave up/didn't try. Most of em can feck off for all I care.
Well with Moyes or LVG we had completely different line-ups and we were still pathetic.
Because for one it was the culmination of years of patience shown to him, for the other it's a temporary job starting at a point when the season had already imploded. It's only double standards if they're like-for-like situations.
And it's all BS when you can't beat the 3 worst teams in the league and god knows who else nevermind City who are actually very good.
Our win ratio under him is now 44%. Ole left with 54% across the 3 seasons. Improvement???
So let's put this to bed now. He's improved very little. Our fixture run until today has been incredibly kind to him and he's still not got results.
Thankfully he's now out of the running for the FT job after today.
He’s certainly partly to blame. To say otherwise is deluded. Struggling to see what he’s done besides talk a very good game.
And yet people still use this to show that he has improved us. Hmm.
Funny you say that.
Ole F14, A11 and Ralf F10, A11 after today. Ole is 3 points and 4 goals better off from the exact same fixtures.
One manager was crucified (rightly so) and lost his job for it, the other is being is being hailed as the best thing since slice bread. The double standards here are pretty damning.
One built this team full of overpaid, average players. The other didnt.
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