Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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There was always going to be some short term pain. Look at the team. Ronadlo - bust, Martial Rashford and Lingard don’t look like they care, Greenwood, McT is a squaddie in a good team, Shaw and Maguire having their worst seasons here, Pogba on the way out and unfit, meek goalkeeper who can’t sweep, intern manager, poor owners and so on. It’s just perfect conditions for failure and I think Ralf has actually done well to steady the ship.
 
Taking away the results and even some dull performances away, I don't understand why he keeps on playing the likes of Lingard ahead of Mejbri's. His cliche press conference is even more boring. Begging cavani to stay when he has been acting like a dickhead or giving chances to nobody like Lingard. And then protecting Maguire like he is some amazing player. No gegen pressing or anything that I have seen under him.
 
acnumber9 said:
You can’t be expecting people to take you seriously can you?
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No, of course not. What do I know? . I was anti Ole since day 1, while the majority of the people here thought he was the true Chosen one. If the same people think that Ole is or was any better than Ragnick, I m happy that they don't take me seriously.
 
Anyway, as another poster said, he'll be moved upstairs soon and we'll have a new manager put in place.

This season couldn't end quick enough.
 
elmo said:
They're trying to convince everyone that Ole shouldn't have been sacked and that it was an impossible job all along and only Ole's genius kept us up for that long.
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I don’t think anyone has said he shouldn’t have been sacked.

Rather this is the “no tactics, rubbish coaching” brigade changing their tune now we’ve seen that removing Ole & co’s incompetence from the club hasn’t catapulted us up the table, or changed much whatsoever.
 
The United said:
The first half was good, mostly. It is probably mainly down to that Pep was a bit surprised with how we played against them.

It was good we played like that. Then, Pep upped his game on second half and we could not match them. We just did not have a plan B at that point.
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Plan was to do what we had been doing but Ralf can’t be blamed for defenders who can’t defend, midfielders who don’t track the most dangerous midfielder on the planet and the fact that the entire team froze second half. The alternative was to sit deep and try hold on to a 2-1 loss.

Genuinely bizarre performance from the entire team second half. Just looked knackered. No energy, no life....like they didn’t believe they could get something out of the game.

Was impressed with the approach first half. We need a bag load of new players and to get rid of a few lazy prima donnas.
 
I don't think he's a top 10 manager in the league. I'm not even sure he's top 20.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Think he would if he can work with Ralf at weeding out the cowards and players who are just not good enough. If the board will not listen we are going nowhere, especially with more teams challenging for the Top 4 places in the future.
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Why on earth people think Ralf is the know-it-all with players? If a competent manager comes in, he would assess the squad himself first. Otherwise, he would not be competent and we should be worried.

And there is a danger that if a manager will have to work with or under a lot of bosses, the football operation will suffer.
 
44 % win percentage

In that regard he's our worst manager since John Bentley (also 44 %), before WW1:

After leaving Bolton Wanderers, he became the secretary of Manchester United in 1912. However, he was rather less successful in this role than his predecessor, Ernest Mangnall; he took little interest in the running of the team and largely left the players to their own devices. As a result, the club slumped from being title challengers to barely avoiding relegation, and Bentley handed over to Jack Robson in 1914. He remained involved with Manchester United until retiring from club administration, in 1916, due to ill health.
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Ralf isn't exactly in elite company.
 
led_scholes said:
No, of course not. What do I know? . I was anti Ole since day 1, while the majority of the people here thought he was the true Chosen one. If the same people think that Ole is or was any better than Ragnick, I m happy that they don't take me seriously.
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Ole in or Ole out, nobody will be taking you seriously if you believe we would be fighting relegation if he wasn’t sacked.
 
Genuine question - if we miss the top 4 does anyone still want him here in any capacity?
 
Samid said:
44 % win percentage

In that regard he's our worst manager since John Bentley (also 44 %), before WW1:



Ralf isn't exactly in elite company.
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And we’ve only played one of the top four in that time.
 
captaincantona said:
Plan was to do what we had been doing but Ralf can’t be blamed for defenders who can’t defend, midfielders who don’t track the most dangerous midfielder on the planet and the fact that the entire team froze second half. The alternative was to sit deep and try hold on to a 2-1 loss.

Genuinely bizarre performance from the entire team second half. Just looked knackered. No energy, no life....like they didn’t believe they could get something out of the game.

Was impressed with the approach first half. We need a bag load of new players and to get rid of a few lazy prima donnas.
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As I said before, all the previous managers and managers that ever got sacked had a 'plan'. Obviously, his plan is not working out so well.

I have been in the camp that RR is not good enough to turn us around at this stage. That does not mean I think he is shit.

But people defending (and hyping) him based on whatever he has shown so far is amusing though.
 
Samid said:
44 % win percentage

In that regard he's our worst manager since John Bentley (also 44 %), before WW1:



Ralf isn't exactly in elite company.
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Played 18, Lost 2.

Thats how one of the posters here would've put it.
 
Seems a nice guy, and seems to know football but his skills as a coach getting those ideas across, I’m not so sure. I’m also not sure about his man management skills.
 
crossy1686 said:
He never had the dressing room. He came in, told them to buy in to his methodologies, run themselves into the ground, work hard, be more physical, train at night and earn your place.

All they heard was “you’re only here for 6 months”.
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Thats kind of the issue though, he is only an interim his job was to come in steady the ship and get us to achieve our minimum expectation (top4) the squad is more than capable of finishing 4th. Instead he's come in upset the apple cart loaned some of backups out out tried to implement his style of football onto the team and in all honesty its all gone tits up. There isn't a single player who has improved or found any sort of form under him, the all look miffed and shot of confidence. The gave up today at 3-1, completely gave up and stopped playing stopped running stopped even trying. When the whole team stops and looks like it dosent really care than thats on the manager.
 
acnumber9 said:
Ole in or Ole out, nobody will be taking you seriously if you believe we would be fighting relegation if he wasn’t sacked.
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Well it's an assumption. More realistic than people who thought that Ole would lead us to a title or he would fare better than Ragnick.
 
led_scholes said:
Well it's an assumption. More realistic than people who thought that Ole would lead us to a title or he would fare better than Ragnick.
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But he did fare better than Rangnick. Just last season. And he deserved to be sacked. Yet we have people who actually with straight face think we should consider giving the job to Rangnick.
 
I like him, I'm not sure ETH or Poch would have done much better in the time he's had, and with the players we've got, but this was always about what he does for us after this season.
 
It's funny, I don't have any faith the club will do what it takes to sort it out but I also feel like we have some direction if they listen to Rangnick and can bring in+trust a like-minded manager.

A problem we have is the club's stature and "recent" success won't let us hit the depths Liverpool and Arsenal first reached in order to go down that path. Every manager will get the heat turned up and run out of town before they can get comfortable. Hopefully that's what Rangnick as an interim ends up providing for the next guy - an early start at improving the physical, tactical and mental fitness of the players worth keeping around while also revealing who to get rid of - and cuts down the time it takes to ingrain their methodology. That's about the only use the rest of this season has.
 
Long Time Red said:
It's very simple.

5 shots at goal is pathetic. 31% possession is pathetic.

The players aren't good enough but they are capable of more than that.

I could accept a 4-1 defeat if the result actually flattered City but we were utterly dreadful and that is on Rangnick.

The performance wasn't good enough and Rangnick is paid millions of Pounds to get the most out of the players.

I honestly think Favre, Garcia or Valverde would have done better than Rangnick, somehow we managed to pick the guy with the least amount of coaching experience out of all the interim candidates.
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Seriously? He get most out of that sorts of players!
RR is paid millions of Pounds? then what is the players getting?
The players cannot keep pressing, running and tracking the ball when City Players can be located everywhere in second half.
They cannot competitive with City Players' STAMINA when you are the professional players and you should have enough stamina to against modern tactic nowadays.
Not saying about technical, attitude or what, evening STAMINA we are fecking up. Then, what formation you can be setup to against the City's transition speeding up.

On the other match, a 500k+ a week player cannot put the ball into the net when some clear cut chances are provided.
A 250k+ a week player who lost his interest of football
A 80m defender who cannot defend.
A 80m midfield who cannot provide service consistently.
A 50m full back who cannot attack.
Basic mistake from the players to concede the goal....
ETC ETC ETC...

Why don't you blame the players firstly when they get more money than RR/Ole?
Because they have talent on paper? Talent is just a shit if they don't perform it as a ability !!!
No manager can turn this team when you have this unbalanced and so called "talent" team without any strengthening.
 
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TwoSheds said:
I don't think he's a top 10 manager in the league. I'm not even sure he's top 20.
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I don't think even Fergie in his pomp could get a tune out of these players. The French call it 'le cran' and these players haven't got it. They waved the white flag after half-time and that was it. I don't know what Ralf can do to change that attitude.
 
The problem he’s got is that the players know that he’s a temporary stand-in. They don’t give a fcuk. If we had a permanent manager, step up or fcuk off
 
Moriarty said:
I don't think even Fergie in his pomp could get a tune out of these players. The French call it 'le cran' and these players haven't got it. They waved the white flag after half-time and that was it. I don't know what Ralf can do to change that attitude.
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Are you really comparing prime Fergie with some guy the players had to look up on google?

Get Tuchel in and we're sorted
 
Had the best run imaginable to get us into the top4 race. We are nowhere close.

Prior to starting his tenure, Rangnick stated that he would not say no if he was offered the job permanently, so he was probably hoping for better scorelines.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Anyway, as another poster said, he'll be moved upstairs soon and we'll have a new manager put in place.

This season couldn't end quick enough.
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To be honest just want that CL game to come now. Let’s see, I’d give us a 30% chance of progressing. Once we are inevitably eliminated, not sure I’ll watch a single game til seasons end.
 
golden_blunder said:
The problem he’s got is that the players know that he’s a temporary stand-in. They don’t give a fcuk. If we had a permanent manager, step up or fcuk off
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I agree, and that makes them not fit for this shirt.

play for the shirt and the fans at the very least. Entitled as feck.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I like him, I'm not sure ETH or Poch would have done much better in the time he's had, and with the players we've got, but this was always about what he does for us after this season.
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Agreed but he made some weird decisions to let donny and martial leave, we could really use them at the moment.
 
Players are clearly the problem but the whole interim manager thing didn’t make any sense at the time and it looks like an even worse decision now. The one thing I can’t understand is the fact he’s meant to be the gegenpress king of football. We haven’t done it at all under his tenure. Surely you can teach players this style of play?
 
Longshanks said:
Thats kind of the issue though, he is only an interim his job was to come in steady the ship and get us to achieve our minimum expectation (top4) the squad is more than capable of finishing 4th. Instead he's come in upset the apple cart loaned some of backups out out tried to implement his style of football onto the team and in all honesty its all gone tits up. There isn't a single player who has improved or found any sort of form under him, the all look miffed and shot of confidence. The gave up today at 3-1, completely gave up and stopped playing stopped running stopped even trying. When the whole team stops and looks like it dosent really care than thats on the manager.
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I’d say he’s been successful in showing us exactly what this team really are, and instead of pretending they’re good enough to win things we’ve seen that they’re only self interested and will only play for a weak manager who tells them they’re great and it’s not their fault we keep losing.

Rangnick isn’t the right man for a 6 months stint, he needs two seasons to implement something, Klopp and Pep would have been equally shit as interims with no more than 6 months in charge. I’m not even saying Rangnick is the right man to take United forward, I’m saying that if anyone thinks these results are on anything but the players they need a serious fecking wake up call.

Do you really think he told the players to give up at 3-1 today? Did he tell Maguire to step over a ball? Did he tell McTomminay to not bother closing a player down? Maybe he told Elanga to carelessly give the ball away or Lindelöf to miss time his header completely?

The lunatics are running the asylum and all Ralf has done is show us this, and that’s why they’ve downed tools and don’t even care about the pay cuts they’re about to receive for finishing 5th.
 
I do. Elanga was awful today. It's not Ralf's fault that our only options were Rashford and Lingard. It's also not his fault that Maguire can't do a simple clearing to the stands, instead letting City score a second goal. Even, opting for AWB made sense since he knew that City' stronger point is their left side. It's not his fault that AWB is awful the other option is Dalot. He even tried Lindelof there and it didn't work.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
I agree, and that makes them not fit for this shirt.

play for the shirt and the fans at the very least. Entitled as feck.
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They should realise and care that they are playing for their future as entitled pricks who represent Man Utd, off course several already have their heads out the door. Meh, I’m pissed off
 
acnumber9 said:
Let’s not do that. Neither were or are good enough.
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You dont know that about Rangnick, we do know that about Ole. I dont want us to sign a new manager just to get a new manager, if the right manager isnt there i have no problem with keeping Rangnick.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Played 18, Lost 2.

Thats how one of the posters here would've put it.
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Ordinarily that would look great but we all know the reality.

In most of those games we have fairly easy fixtures & not won matches we really should be winning.

That defeat & performance against City just shows how much we have not improved since the Ole sacking & RR has had a massive 17 games to get ideas, philosophies & way of playing as a proper team across to his players & has basically failed to do that as I see no difference between the way we played under RR as to how we were playing under Ole, might just as well had kept Ole until the end of season & be done with it.

Ten Haag looks the best solution at the moment instead of a full season under RR.
 
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