Shaw and Maguire have definitely improved from how they were playing for the first few months of the season. Still not great obviously, but not the utter shit that they were earlier.Sancho has improved a lot. McTominay has played his best football of the season under Rangnick.
The (obvious) problem we have is Shaw, AWB and Maguire remaining as shite as they have been all season (with inadequate and/or crocked back-ups) as well the total fiasco up front, which I don’t think anyone can blame Rangnick for.
He’s been dealt an absolutely horrendous hand from the moment he took over. Completely unsolvable in such a short space of time. Weird how so many fans can’t see this.
It's strange. How can you look at what happened and arrive at that conclusion?
You've bought loads of players, every season: top players, top talents, famous players, more unknown players, experienced winners, hotly tipped youngsters, megastars and humble, decent quality players. Every summer players come in.
Yet literally the one thing you haven't tried in almost ten years is .. hire a top manager in his prime.
Of course the managers are the problem (Rangnick, as an interim, the least, this is not on him). Of course the player are not it.
Just fecking hire a top manager, if you want to be a top team. You are a top club, you need a top manager. Simples. No need to agonize any further than that, you just have to wait until summer.
At least fecking try hiring a top manager once before you declare dozens of players "rotten".
So one has moulded the team to how he wanted it after 3 years, spending 400m+ in the process while the other has came in to an absolute shit show, hasn't had a penny to spend and is 3 points worse off? Do you really think that's a fair comparison to make?Funny you say that.
Ole F14, A11 and Ralf F10, A11 after today. Ole is 3 points and 4 goals better off from the exact same fixtures.
One manager was crucified (rightly so) and lost his job for it, the other is being is being hailed as the best thing since slice bread. The double standards here are pretty damning.
Left with a squad assembled by an overwhelmed man. I feel for him.. The shit he has to field is not even funny
I think he seems decent. I do think we’d be well in the top 4 if Carrick had stayed on though.
Because RR is better than him in that position.A new DOF? What on earth has Murtough done to deserve to lose his job??!?!
Playing style is important, but managing the team ( man management and player management) are more important imo. There is no other Pep or Klopp stylistically. However, there are good managers that can be great when given appropriate support. For example, Ancelotti in 2010 for Chelsea was not Pep or Mou tactically, but he had the man management skills, understood and implemented solid tactics and had the support of the Chelsea board which allowed them to dominate that year ( despite the fact we should have won that year).I'd rather not see some known quantity come in, that we know is not on the level of Pep or Klopp and isn't on an upwards trajectory to back them with hundreds of millions while style of play becomes a secondary consideration. How we want to play should be paramount, that's what Rangnick was on about pre-match and he was absolutely right. We need a coherent strategy. Also, I'd rather not give a new manager 300m or whatever, but have other people (DoF) in charge of hiring players suitable to the long-term vision. The reckless management of this billion pound squad is down to having absolutely no vision.
Ole stepped in when the club was pure toxic under Jose and won 10 out his first 11 games didn't he?
How so? What evidence is there to suggest this?Because RR is better than him in that position.
It's strange. How can you look at what happened and arrive at that conclusion?
You've bought loads of players, every season: top players, top talents, famous players, more unknown players, experienced winners, hotly tipped youngsters, megastars and humble, decent quality players. Every summer players come in.
Yet literally the one thing you haven't tried in almost ten years is .. hire a top manager in his prime.
Of course the managers are the problem (Rangnick, as an interim, the least, this is not on him). Of course the player are not it.
Just fecking hire a top manager, if you want to be a top team. You are a top club, you need a top manager. Simples. No need to agonize any further than that, you just have to wait until summer.
At least fecking try hiring a top manager once before you declare dozens of players "rotten".
No other manager in the history of the game would of won us the PL in 2013, so Yeah. SAF was a miracle worker. He definitely wouldn't win the league with this squad though this season. He may be a miracle worker but he aint God.No, he didn't. Ferguson was a phenomenon but he wasn't a miracle-worker. All his titles were entirely logical. He had one of the best squads in the league in every title-winning season. This squad is miles behind City in particular. No chance Fergie would have them winning.
Genuine question - if we miss the top 4 does anyone still want him here in any capacity?
Under these owners and their cronies, I don’t think it matters who the manager is anymore. Hard to admit but the last nine years have shown it.If we've waited 6 months, almost writing the second half of the season off, and still get the management appointment wrong, you just have to give up and forget about competing again really.
We might be about to lose 7 in a row but we’d definitely have more points.No we definitely would not.
It's strange. How can you look at what happened and arrive at that conclusion?
You've bought loads of players, every season: top players, top talents, famous players, more unknown players, experienced winners, hotly tipped youngsters, megastars and humble, decent quality players. Every summer players come in.
Yet literally the one thing you haven't tried in almost ten years is .. hire a top manager in his prime.
Of course the managers are the problem (Rangnick, as an interim, the least, this is not on him). Of course the player are not it.
Just fecking hire a top manager, if you want to be a top team. You are a top club, you need a top manager. Simples. No need to agonize any further than that, you just have to wait until summer.
At least fecking try hiring a top manager once before you declare dozens of players "rotten".
Huh? Darmian, Young, Smalling, Bailly, Alexis, these are all better than our current lot?Ole took over a squad miles better than ours now from a manager miles better than him.
How successful this little caretaker manager spell is mostly about who the next manager is and how he does.
If we've waited 6 months, almost writing the second half of the season off, and still get the management appointment wrong, you just have to give up and forget about competing again really.
Varane, Pogba, Sancho, Ronaldo, obviously; in the squad probably Van de Beek, Dalot, Shaw, Rashford, Martial, (our backup left back is Omar Richards signed on a free from Reading FC, you know, and our backup striker Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting..).Name the players in the United squad that would break into Bayern’s starting 11 or squad for that matter. Can’t wait for this…
Playing style is important, but managing the team ( man management and player management) are more important imo. There is no other Pep or Klopp stylistically. However, there are good managers that can be great when given appropriate support. For example, Ancelotti in 2010 for Chelsea was not Pep or Mou tactically, but he had the man management skills, understood and implemented solid tactics and had the support of the Chelsea board which allowed them to dominate that year ( despite the fact we should have won that year).
Mancini at City is similar. He had the support of the board, right players and had tactical know how.
One could also say the same for Zidane at Madrid, who has been more successful than any manager outside of Pep over the last 10 years. He understood tactics, but was not some genius. However he had the support from the board, the talent in terms of personnel, man management skills and understood the tactics he wanted to play.
I feel if we hire Pochettino, we can give him these things. We can give him time, support, finances and a platform to show his skills to the rest of the world in a way he could never dream about at Tottenham. This would need us to clear the drama that we currently have from our players, Pogba and CR7, but its something we as a club desperately want to do. It would also give the Arnold and the director of football team a quality manager who can work with what they provide without making a power play like we've seen with LVG and Mourinho.
What we don't need is another LVG who will destroy a team and sell of its players to fit a specific philosophy that will take millions of pound to implement despite having talent there. Forget Pep, we haven't played good football since 2011, we haven't been able to dominate teams since 2011, we haven't been able to control games since 2013. Let's get a manager that can give us those things; we have the finances in place to make sure they are supported
Ole stepped in when the club was pure toxic under Jose and won 10 out his first 11 games didn't he?
Yeah. Should have given him the upstairs role and put a different interim coach in (not sure who though and that was probably the problem that led us to where we are).Director job is completely different to the manager job so just because he sucks at the latter doesn't mean he will suck at the former. But the club has definitely muddied the water the way they've gone about business here. If the idea was that his long term role is director/consultant they should've given him that role straight away. Now however he will have this failed interim period as baggage when he moves upstairs in the summer.
Varane, Pogba, Sancho, Ronaldo, obviously; in the squad probably Van de Beek, Dalot, Shaw, Rashford, Martial, (our backup left back is Omar Richards signed on a free from Reading FC, you know, and our backup striker Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting..).
But that's not even the point. The quality of players, or rather of their performances, is strongly linked to how the team is managed.
If a Liverpool fan had asked you that same question in 2015, it would have been implied that Henderson, Firmino, Milner, hell even Mané or Salah, wouldn't be able to break into your squad ahead of Di Maria, Herrera, Falcao, what have you.
You need a top manager. Then worry about players later.
Huh? Darmian, Young, Smalling, Bailly, Alexis, these are all better than our current lot?
Exactly. Of course the squad needs work. But it's unneccessary to call it "rotten" when you don't have someone in place to manage it properly.The squad is not good enough and on top of that we don’t have a top end manager. We have some top end players as you’ve mentioned and I agree with that list but the squad is painfully unbalanced. RR is an interim and clearly not a long term answer. Hopefully we get a manager like Ten Hag in this summer to start the rebuild.
Where i'm going is that Ole started off playing Mata and Pereira as the 10, and a leaky back line that got destroyed 0-4 at Everton near the end of the season. Thats why he spent boatloads. Lukaku is the only one who could still do a job now, as depressing as that sounds.Young was twice the player Telles will ever be. Smalling wasn't much worse than fecking Maguire. Bailly is still here? No idea where you are going but under Mou we won the EL. He was toxic as hell but maybe that's what these fecks at our club need. The feel good atmosphere under Ole lead to nothing
Varane, Pogba, Sancho, Ronaldo, obviously; in the squad probably Van de Beek, Dalot, Shaw, Rashford, Martial, (our backup left back is Omar Richards signed on a free from Reading FC, you know, and our backup striker Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting..).
But that's not even the point. The quality of players, or rather of their performances, is strongly linked to how the team is managed.
If a Liverpool fan had asked you that same question in 2016, it would have been implied that Henderson, Firmino, Milner, hell even Mané or Salah, wouldn't be able to break into your squad ahead of Di Maria, Herrera, Falcao, what have you.
You need a top manager. Then worry about players later.
Well, exactly. The simple fact of not being Jose was enough to get the players all upping their game. No need for any coaching or tactics, just ride the feel good wave when the witch is dead.
Obviously only a very short term fix though. Which you would know if you’d kept track of the results after those 11 games.
It is not about fitness in my opinion. It is about desire, determination and character of players. Ofcourse also football knowledge players have. To much Instagram and social media and way to little football work. Players get tons of money and there are lot who don’t care. Pretenders.I don't think people are ignoring the players but I do think by this stage he might have improved the fitness of the players.
We all knew what he was going to try and make us do the second he came and we are still unable to play a pressing style more than one half.
Yes. It was only the recruitment. I mean its not like he wanted Maguire rightI did. We came 2nd and 3rd and things were actually good for a while. Wheels came off this season through some absolutely disastrous recruitment decisions.
I imagine this is why the United board gave him an interim managerial position.Rangnick has done a lot of good things, but managing and building trophy winning teams isn't part of it.