Yes thats fair, but its never thats simple. I am not saying the performance was acceptable but lets not use such simple statistics to compare things.
I jsut do not see a way out of this without a LOT of changes.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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I jsut do not see a way out of this without a LOT of changes.
I don’t want to be too negative but apart from the odd spell, half a game here or there, we haven’t been any better under Ralf than under Ole.
I am the first to say the players are not all good enough but these are mostly the same ones who finished second under Ole. I realise Liverpool had an injury crisis and all that but current level is way, way below that.
It’s really quite horrible. So there’s no plan for him to stay on but Top 4 looks pretty unlikely because if Arsenal do okay in their games in hand we are going to be cut adrift. And Spurs will probably overtake us when they’ve caught up with their matches.
Think about how tough it will be to recruit a good manager and good players. I am starting to wonder if there’s any prospect of improvement ever.
I am the first to say the players are not all good enough but these are mostly the same ones who finished second under Ole. I realise Liverpool had an injury crisis and all that but current level is way, way below that.
It’s really quite horrible. So there’s no plan for him to stay on but Top 4 looks pretty unlikely because if Arsenal do okay in their games in hand we are going to be cut adrift. And Spurs will probably overtake us when they’ve caught up with their matches.
Think about how tough it will be to recruit a good manager and good players. I am starting to wonder if there’s any prospect of improvement ever.
Its hard to point all the blame at him.
We don't even play like a Rangnick team.
We have an embarrassing defence that can't seem to help themselves in generating their own fail compilation.
We have a midfield that doesn't belong in the top 10. I'm not being harsh, that's the reality. Reality is more like Top 14, in fact,
Our strike force is aged, or can't score goals, or just look like they don't care.
Furthermore, the whole team gave up in that second half. Atrocious mentality.
I see him defending them in the post-match, but really, call them out. You're the interim, in here for a short term with nothing to lose. These players get away with uncaring performances and then waffle on social media after how it's not good enough, then repeat the process. They need calling out. They keep using the managers as scapegoats.
We don't even play like a Rangnick team.
We have an embarrassing defence that can't seem to help themselves in generating their own fail compilation.
We have a midfield that doesn't belong in the top 10. I'm not being harsh, that's the reality. Reality is more like Top 14, in fact,
Our strike force is aged, or can't score goals, or just look like they don't care.
Furthermore, the whole team gave up in that second half. Atrocious mentality.
I see him defending them in the post-match, but really, call them out. You're the interim, in here for a short term with nothing to lose. These players get away with uncaring performances and then waffle on social media after how it's not good enough, then repeat the process. They need calling out. They keep using the managers as scapegoats.
Statistically we won more than we should have last season, and there are plenty of teams who have improved since then, and we have lost players. The two season are not the same.
The shape was on point first half. Absolute shambles second half.
But when you bring on two local lads to turn the game around and see that they can't be arsed? That's deep rooted.
But when you bring on two local lads to turn the game around and see that they can't be arsed? That's deep rooted.
How can anyone blame manager in this case? You have gone from blaming Solskajer to blaming Rangnick. Just blame the manager. Don't blame those "stars and heros" who are adored by kids who are starstrucked by them.
Blame should be put where it belongs. Players.
Blame should be put where it belongs. Players.
It’s odd, they would think that Rangnick’s apparent failure is mostly due to a bunch of bluffers in the squad. It’s a rotten core, nothing else and the rebuilding job is going to be long and painful.
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Rangnick has done an okay job in the circumstances. He took over a club in freefall thanks to Ole and his staff's years of incompetence building a squad of misfits with no underlying philosophy.
But the point is we need to hire the best available manager for a fecking change.
Not a big name has-been like Mou or LVG. Not an incompetent former player for a bit of feel-good factor. Not a fecking interim just because it's easier.
But the point is we need to hire the best available manager for a fecking change.
Not a big name has-been like Mou or LVG. Not an incompetent former player for a bit of feel-good factor. Not a fecking interim just because it's easier.
Well we were 7th when he was sacked so I think it’s fairly safe to assume we would’ve been in the top 10. Rangnick just hasn’t had to play Liverpool or City up to today.
I actually quite like Rangnick. I enjoy his style of football when it works but sadly he won’t have time to implement it.
He’s not on the same level as Guardiola or Klopp obviously. I really like his ideas though.
We would need a full squad to improve much so I would prefer Ten Haag before the end of the season if possible and move Ralf to his actual position upstairs.
He is not going to be the manager, but he will sure as hell been assessing the players. He is no fool where player recruitment is concerned and he must think we stark raving mad to pay that sort of money for Maguire and AWB. 50m for fecking Fred. McT is our midfield fecking dynamo.Besides himself?
And get rid of half the players if not more.
It has to be both otherwise its pointless getting a manager.
we have issues in key positions. Problem with our team isn't Sancho, Pogba, Fernandes or even Elanga, Rashford or Ronaldo ( his pressing makes the actual issues worse).
a. we don't have midfielders who can play in possession - the combination of a lack of first touch, poor anticipation and poor off the ball awareness means that outside of Matic, not of our midfielders can go toe to toe with any decent team. This is why we move the ball so slowly in possession against smaller teams and have no space and time against the big teams. They need time to take a touch, time to consider their passing options, time to know where to position themselves for the pass. It makes our play static and in the modern game where teams press, that is a recipe for disaster. Even Pogba struggles with these things despite his strength, dribbling ability and passing.
b. We need midfielders who can handle defensive counters - When we lose the ball, we struggle heavily to win it back up the pitch. Lately we've been doing more of this thanks to rangnick and the buy in from our front line, but the biggest issue is actually the midfield. Their lack of positioning and spacial awareness means that they are always on the back foot against a counter attack. This means we can't sustain dominant periods in games. This isn't just about being a DM, Scholes, modric, xavi etc could also put themselves in positions that would make it tight, narrow and difficult for teams to counter attack centrally. The midfield is the biggest space on the pitch and not having guys that can cover that space intelligently means we will always struggle to pin teams back despite our attacking talent. Not only do our midfielders ( outside of Matic) lack the ability to win the ball back, they also lack the intelligence to help our team pin teams back.
Our problem is the midfield and due to us also not having the type of full back outlets that Liverpool do that enables them to play through the flanks at times when building up, it means that we still struggle in building up and truly giving our attackers opportunities to really attack. Maguire is also a massive problem. We need more athletes defensively, Shaw and Maguire are getting exposed physically by teams. Lindelof has always had issues aerially ( even though he has improved this season) and AWB has gone completley off the boil. We can survive at left back with a new manager rotating Shaw and Telles. However, we really need 2 new central midfielders, a new right back and potentially another forward. The midfield is too big of an area to continue to persist with garbage and it's costing us.
a. we don't have midfielders who can play in possession - the combination of a lack of first touch, poor anticipation and poor off the ball awareness means that outside of Matic, not of our midfielders can go toe to toe with any decent team. This is why we move the ball so slowly in possession against smaller teams and have no space and time against the big teams. They need time to take a touch, time to consider their passing options, time to know where to position themselves for the pass. It makes our play static and in the modern game where teams press, that is a recipe for disaster. Even Pogba struggles with these things despite his strength, dribbling ability and passing.
b. We need midfielders who can handle defensive counters - When we lose the ball, we struggle heavily to win it back up the pitch. Lately we've been doing more of this thanks to rangnick and the buy in from our front line, but the biggest issue is actually the midfield. Their lack of positioning and spacial awareness means that they are always on the back foot against a counter attack. This means we can't sustain dominant periods in games. This isn't just about being a DM, Scholes, modric, xavi etc could also put themselves in positions that would make it tight, narrow and difficult for teams to counter attack centrally. The midfield is the biggest space on the pitch and not having guys that can cover that space intelligently means we will always struggle to pin teams back despite our attacking talent. Not only do our midfielders ( outside of Matic) lack the ability to win the ball back, they also lack the intelligence to help our team pin teams back.
Our problem is the midfield and due to us also not having the type of full back outlets that Liverpool do that enables them to play through the flanks at times when building up, it means that we still struggle in building up and truly giving our attackers opportunities to really attack. Maguire is also a massive problem. We need more athletes defensively, Shaw and Maguire are getting exposed physically by teams. Lindelof has always had issues aerially ( even though he has improved this season) and AWB has gone completley off the boil. We can survive at left back with a new manager rotating Shaw and Telles. However, we really need 2 new central midfielders, a new right back and potentially another forward. The midfield is too big of an area to continue to persist with garbage and it's costing us.
We got a fair few pens aswell until klop lost the plot.
Spot on. We are playing far below our level, and the excuses are pathetic.
Yeh but we cant sign replacements until we have the right manager to run the rule on the signings.
Cant leave it up to our scouts and board any more. They've proven to be absolutely abysmal.
We should be sorting out the manager by April and working with them in the background to sort the squad out between April and June.
But our board cant deal with these things in normal time frames. We'll hire a manager in June and then spend 2 months chasing 1 transfer target.
He'll not be manager in a few months, don't worry yourselves about him. Worry about the next man we bring in
I don't think this is a formation problem unless you want to see 9-0-1.
It's the attitude problem.
Every ManCity players track back the ball no matter where are they, and we, just keep walking when we lose the ball and hope Fred and McT to win ball that ball.
Also, no formation can be set up when you have tons of players who cannot keep running in 90mins vs Top team.
Then, no formation can be set up when you cannot pass the ball in right angle and right power (i am not mentioning the righting timing which is a higher level) which professional players should be required when you get that huge salary.
Why our all attackers are lost their form significantly this season would be a big question mark...
The main problem of RR is, he cannot hype up the players like Ole and let the player fight for him. Then i don't think he has so much problem.
This appointment was a mistake. Dropped Ronaldo who refused to be part of the squad, then our forward players deliver that. What an utter disgrace.
I do think Pochettino suits us. I also do think there are other managers looking for a chance who have decent playing style but would just require the support WE HAVE given to our failed managerial appointments. We haven't really hired managers who have previously shown excellence at managing a modern team using modern tactics.
Who told you that?
Nah. He lost from Watford, Leicester and Villa. Top 15? Yeah, easy, but that's it. What's worse than an incompetent manager? An incompetent manager with no support. We were at that level. We finished 7th with Moyes who is miles ahead of Ole, because he was just a mediocre manager who lost the dressing room. Imagine with a guy like Ole.
We should sign the manager the very next day of the season ending and getting him to start the process. But knowing us we'll get the manager a week before the season starts and thereby not having any time to coach the players or get in new players.
Then we'll proceed to crucify the manager after a month or two.
I was pro Ole all the way until the Liverpool and City hammerings.
The Ronaldo signing really fecked the dressing room up as he's the biggest self absorbed twat in football. It was OK when he was super human but it doesn't wash when he's 37 and over the hill big time.
Oles biggest issues though were his failure to drop his favourites and broken promises to squad players.
It began with De Gea who should have been dropped last season. He ended up costing us a real shot at the title.
This season, Maguire, Bissaka, Shaw, Fred and even Bruno deserved dropping but Ole wasn't man enough.
He asked Bailly, Cavani, VDB etc to stay then proceeded to play them never which added to the tension in the dressing room further.
To be fair, its one of those things that would've made him look like a genius if he pulled it off. The problem is that I thought City were really bad in the first half, and they sort of let us run through them (even Fred somehow just jinxed past three defenders like it was nothing, and of course he fluffed the chance). Second half they woke up.
If we want to do what city do to us and have been doing for the last four years, Ronaldo, Pogba and Lingard have to go. They dont work hard enough. The starting point has to be that every player works their absolute most. If you are the striker, you run all game closing down the CBs. If you are the other attackers and MFs you hunt in packs to win the ball back.
I do worry about the next man because we’re going to be playing Europa Conference if we’re lucky. No-one decent is going dive into that tub of shite.
The players are either not good enough or if they are good enough they can't be arsed. Just on a hiding to nothing in charge of this lot.
I was on board with bringing on Conte, but once the decision was made to go with an interim manager, we were always going to witness interim performances. Ralf has us playing better football now than under Ole, but our finishing has been poor. As for today, a 4-1 defeat was what most of us expected.
I can't see Ten Hag willing to take on the United project now. Pochettino it will have to be.
I can't see Ten Hag willing to take on the United project now. Pochettino it will have to be.
Well, bar City, we created enough chance to win those match but finishing were fecking shit. Then you should ask the players, not RR, why they cannot put the ball to net when a chance created
By the way everyone is going on about this squad you would think we finished 8th last season and we were trying to get top 4 with players that finished 8th. In reality we finished 2nd and added Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo to a squad that finished 2nd. We really need to get an elite manager in the summer.
Sorry if Ronaldo did refuse to be part of the squad, Ralf is the right man for the job. Ronaldo has been awful. Ole would have been there kissing Ronaldo's feet, the lapdog.
It's very simple.
5 shots at goal is pathetic. 31% possession is pathetic.
The players aren't good enough but they are capable of more than that.
I could accept a 4-1 defeat if the result actually flattered City but we were utterly dreadful and that is on Rangnick.
The performance wasn't good enough and Rangnick is paid millions of Pounds to get the most out of the players.
I honestly think Favre, Garcia or Valverde would have done better than Rangnick, somehow we managed to pick the guy with the least amount of coaching experience out of all the interim candidates.
Ronaldo has had next to nothing to feed off, 1 or 2 chances a game max, he’s always scored about 1 in 4/5 throughout his career.
what has rangnick actually done of any merit whatsoever so far?
Today, we could have deployed counter attacking tactics as we have previously at city and as spies did the other week against them and got something from the game. Instead we got a disjointed mess.
Our forward players were fine for 50-60 minutes. It's the rest who were the problem.
All Ronaldo has done the last few weeks is struggle to move after 30 minutes and miss a dozen glaring chances.
You can’t be expecting people to take you seriously can you?
Think he would if he can work with Ralf at weeding out the cowards and players who are just not good enough. If the board will not listen we are going nowhere, especially with more teams challenging for the Top 4 places in the future.
The first half was good, mostly. It is probably mainly down to that Pep was a bit surprised with how we played against them.
It was good we played like that. Then, Pep upped his game on second half and we could not match them. We just did not have a plan B at that point.
It was good we played like that. Then, Pep upped his game on second half and we could not match them. We just did not have a plan B at that point.
On a short term, very short term basis, but the board want Ralf for his expertise in recruitment after the season is over. Also most of these thick beggars won't perform unless someone presented Zidane in front of them.
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