Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Who is criticizing Rangnick?
Plenty on here
Utter nonsense.
Highly disagree to the highest extent.
What rangnick is doing is exactly what it needed, its a team game. After years of bullying ole the team was utterly disjointed, feck knows what they did in the training sessions since neither ole nor his assistant manager oversaw any coaching. No wonder teams were running rings around us.
Have you forgotten the patterns of play meme going around the caf ?
The players are not utd quality and are downing tools, simple as. Sell them and move rangnick upstairs next season.
If only things were this easy. Having followed the team as long as you have you know like most of us this is not the case. The new manager is most likely going to have to work with this same exact group of players plus 2 or maybe 3 additions. The ones who will go are the ones who don't play much anyway and are on expiring contracts.
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Youd be surprised how players on the verge of leaving can make a dressing room toxic and difficult for Rangnick to control. Henderson, Lingard, Mata, Matic, Jones, Cavani, Martial are all likely or certain to go. I think a couple of those are behind some leaks and a few others have checked out.
My exact point. Most of them do not feature much either way so them going will make little difference. The glazers are not going to replace all of those. Also I highly doubt lads like Mata Cavani or even Jones and Matic for that matter are contributing to dressing room toxicity.
Tell me who is this motivater ?
Valverede- sure. He would have come in.
Poch wouldn't leave.
Rodgers ?
Blanc , who was just fired btw ?
Our options were extremely limited. It was not like a Pep or Klopp was waiting for Ole to be sacked.
Conte would have accepted it and I would agree if that was the plan but the board wasn't really interested to go with Conte.
If we are to improve our current predicament then we have to remove the toxicity from the dressing room, otherwise we might aswell write off the next three seasons.
There is no core/backbone of quality players that a new manager can build a team around. We're done with this lot.
This is the problem. We have been in need of a rebuild for the past 10 years and the owners have dithered around like fools with half the people they signed have been sold or moved on. This sentiment that Ralf moving upstairs is suddenly going to lead to an exodus followed by top quality replacements in every position is only a dream.
There will be probably 3 additions max in the summer could have been more if they sold Pogba earlier and recouped some money but now he will go on a free and we've lost Mason as well. 2 strikers near their 40's and both of them will probably be off and Martial probably will be somewhere else. This leaves us with Rashford, Sancho and Elanga. The midfield has not been sorted for 10 years etc.
We are now in such a bad position that pretty much every single area of the pitch is in need of better players. They won't even be able to sort out half of our problems in one window.
Yeap. Managers just need to read the data from the player's GPS vest to see if they are starting to stop playing for their managers!! Its the first indication. Or in Ralf's case, they are only half-arsed based on my eye test, never mind the GPS vest data.
Yes, all of them are fecking dogshit.
Varane: washed up no-talent waste
Ronaldo: what's he ever done in the game of football?
Shaw: over-rated garbage. His form with England has been dire.
Rashford: Danny Welbeck 2.0
Bruno: only scores penalties
DeGea: can barely make a save
Sancho: speed merchant with no end product.
We wanted a savior so badly, so it's hard to see Ralf struggle with this team -- I get it. And I agree that the players need to be better, but Ralf has quite a bit of accountability when it comes to performances and results. There can be more than one reason as to why we are playing poorly.
I'm curious. For those that suggest a fundamental rebuild of the team, how do you see that panning out? We don't seem to be a club that is prepared to back any single style of playing...until now (which is still undetermined given that most players can't seem to keep up with the pace of pressing and counter pressing).
We toy with a range of approaches and then jump randomly on any player deal that we think might work.
This club functions on a "hit and hope" philosophy. Our future as a club is premised on a similar gamble.
We toy with a range of approaches and then jump randomly on any player deal that we think might work.
This club functions on a "hit and hope" philosophy. Our future as a club is premised on a similar gamble.
To be honest Shaw actually is bang average and Rashford since his injuries actually plays like a Danny Welbeck 2.0 as you put it.
I genuinely think there is a good chunk of people that don't actually watch our games, they just go on livescore and see the result, hop on here and wax lyrical about how Rangnick is a fraud. There is no way you could have the sort of opinions some have if you were watching all of our games.
New manager will come in this summer. A lot of players will go out, but very few will come in.
At the most 3 which is still short of the 6 needed.
CB, RB, LB, 2 Midfielders and a Striker.
At the most 3 which is still short of the 6 needed.
CB, RB, LB, 2 Midfielders and a Striker.
Two midfielders and a striker who can hit the ground running can change the whole dynamic of the team , add another high quality versatile attacker in the midst if possible that would be grand .
You have to look deeper than what we see on match day.
We can see that some players are not good enough while some couldn't be arsed to make an effort while some don't seem to listen.
We don't play like a team under Ole and we are not playing like a team under RR.
Players need to know when to pass and when to move where.
Our players normally pass when they have no option but to pass.
We don't know where to cover and to press. Against Soton is a very good example.
RR cannot change the mindset without selling the players. People blame Maguire and I am not a fan of him but he is not the major problem we have. We can have VD and Varane and they would still have the same problems if we play the same midfield and forwards.
We can see that some players are not good enough while some couldn't be arsed to make an effort while some don't seem to listen.
We don't play like a team under Ole and we are not playing like a team under RR.
Players need to know when to pass and when to move where.
Our players normally pass when they have no option but to pass.
We don't know where to cover and to press. Against Soton is a very good example.
RR cannot change the mindset without selling the players. People blame Maguire and I am not a fan of him but he is not the major problem we have. We can have VD and Varane and they would still have the same problems if we play the same midfield and forwards.
It's clear that the players have not developed the muscle memory to play to Ralf's original philosophy nor are fit enough to play his compromised approaches. Tbf. this is why few clubs change managers in mid-season. (Tuchel and Di Metteo bing exceptions to the rule. But in Tuchel's case, he did have the benefit of a £220Million investment under Fat Frank and then another £100M investment in Lukaku.)
This summer's window, the new manager and the training regimes/implementations will be the true test.
This summer's window, the new manager and the training regimes/implementations will be the true test.
Heres how I see it. The players that have been here for a while are so set in their ways they aren’t opening their minds to what someone like Ralf might teach them. Yes, he’s here only for 6 months and yes he’s mostly been a DoF in the last 10 years but many coaches owe their trade to him, even Klopp.
Aramas I agree with you, but considering it’s only 6 months, don’t know who else he could have brought in.
As for the players;
Ronaldo - doesn’t have the legs anymore for the PL.
Shaw - hasn’t turned up for work this season
Bruno - signing Ronaldo seems to have unsettled him. Not the same player since.
Rashford - welbeck would probably put more effort in
DeGea - based on the last 2 seasons I would have sold him. Let’s see if he can keep this new form up
the players need to stop bitching amongst themselves and to the press otherwise get rid. We need hungry players who want to learn and enjoy playing for Manchester United. Not a bunch of cry babies when things are going wrong. Roll up your sleeves and change it
That's why one of the reasons he prefers younger players; easier to teach, more eager and energetic -- besides being the RB business model. We will probably have a massive pivot in our recruiting approach this summer whether RR or ETH comes.
If he does get the job full time. I hope he is ruthless to some members of the squad. Before pre season starts tell them no longer part of his plans and has summer to find new club.
He should know by end of season who these players are if not already by now.
His pre season will be gruelling i'd say as we will need players that can play full press for 90 mins.
Not just saying it...would prefer Rangnick to be given a crack before Poch.
However, if it transpires that Rangnick is kept on...and we have sat on our hands this window saving funds for the new manager...when players could have been brought in and given a half season to bed in...it will be a complete embarrassment.
maybe I am a complete simpleton, but these things cannot be so complex that the obvious answer is that far from possible -
there Were obviously a handful of managers being considered seriously: Poch, ETH, Amorim, Enrique, Ralf.
Was it beyond reasonable to be transparent? Approach each club, say we are Utd, we are a big deal, we want to talk to your manager, we will do so quickly, if we come to an agreement we will compensate you, it will all happen during the winter break so as not to distract your manager and we will take a public facing approach to the result. We let everyone know he will be our next manager but neither him or the club will comment further until your season concludes?
is that too easy? Get the fuking decision made 3 months ago and prep prep prep forthe summer and next season while Ralf does his thing?
I'm not against Rangknick taking the permanent position. He's in a unique position to judge this squad and identify the players who simply won't rise to the challenge of bringing this club back to prominence.
If given autonomy Rangknick would kick out a few of these high profile premadonnas who think they're holding all the cards when it comes to managerial appointments and terminations. Those that are comfortable need a real shock to the system
If given autonomy Rangknick would kick out a few of these high profile premadonnas who think they're holding all the cards when it comes to managerial appointments and terminations. Those that are comfortable need a real shock to the system
Or they understand feck all about the game.
Big test for Ralf tonight.
He's won against West Ham and lost against Wolves in 2 of his only games against teams in the top half.
I think a good performance tonight and he will silence doubters like me but I expect Brighton to be very dominant and cause us lots of problems.
He's won against West Ham and lost against Wolves in 2 of his only games against teams in the top half.
I think a good performance tonight and he will silence doubters like me but I expect Brighton to be very dominant and cause us lots of problems.
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The quote is a bit misleading. There is a final bit to it that says Man United 'need a shock, they need something different, something fresh’.
I agree with much of this. The players absolutely have some level of accountability for how we are playing. But I also think that there is a pedigree of talent within this club and we’ve seen these players perform well.
I’m just disappointed overall with how the club has handled the everything since the Liverpool loss.
This is a company that has 600m+ in annual revenue. The valuation is 4.2 billion. They have invested massive amounts of money in assets like Pogba, Ronaldo, Maguire, Sancho, etc. Their response after sacking Ole has been laughable. First, a new CEO is handed this mess, and then, they give Murtagh and Fletcher the DoF roles, neither of which has ever held a DoF position. Finally, they bring in an interim manager who has been a DoF for the last couple of years… in Russia. He has only managed 2 of the last 10 years, and throughout his entire career, he has won one major trophy — the German Cup. He brings in staff that have never coached in the PL (?) and then We fail to bring in a 6 / DM in the window when everyone can see that we have needed one for several years.
And here we are. I respect Ralf as an innovator in tactics, but there is so much more to managing a top PL squad. Obviously, the leadership at the top is incredibly weak with the Glazers, and that isn’t going to change.
Fun fact about that Pokal trophy - in order to get it, he had to win exactly one game - the final against a 2nd division opponent
The players may resent being coached by an MLS coach and this 4 2 2 2 2 ...etc - a formation that was popular in the 1970's
Yeah that makes no sense seeing as they were previously coached by a rookie who has only managed Molde and Cardiff
We didn't pursue with 4222 for that long. The players also resent most coaching, not just Armas.
Especially after midday
Just to correct one thing; Fletcher is not a DoF. His job is to oversee young players into the first team environment, coaching and assisting anywhere else if he has time. He’s not a DoF and shouldn’t be confused as one.
By all accounts ole didn’t coach so that’s incorrect
He isn't the answer unfortunately.
How many managers should we sack before the kneejerk knobs here realise where the fault lies ?
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