I still don't get what that would be other than how we set up under Ole where we rely less on tactics and more in belief, but we saw how that ended when the belief starts to go. There are improvements, we're not shipping goals the xG has improved, results will likely come. Any chart of progress in any area isn't often completely linear. It's up a bit then down then up. You hope it's two steps forward and one back and I think that's what we are seeing. Just not shipping goals has to count for something, we were shambolic at beginning of season and he's also only an interim anyway.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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To be fair, where would the shock come from. We lose all three? That would be pretty standard
Yeah. The forward line is a problem. Cavani can be good, but he is now always injured. Ronaldo just doesn't have that sort of energy any longer, you cannot expect him to. They have to sign a young energetic forward in the summer.
6-0 all three would shock me.
Why? Because he's more progressive than both McT and Fred. He's never had a run to build up game time and confidence. He really couldn't have been worse than these two. So when you have a shit, non-working midfield, why the hell would a manager never ever try something else? Ole was such a shit show it hurts. Why RR didn't try it more often, that's on him and he pays for it again imo.
United fans must be the only fans in the world who memorize the same excuses and use them for every manager even when they are interim. Never once in my life saw the time argument being used for an interim manager who is going to feck off after 3 more months.
But as I said it's just recycling excuses for every manager and praying to God one time it will actually work.
But as I said it's just recycling excuses for every manager and praying to God one time it will actually work.
Ralf responsibility is to ensure that we get top4.
Will the current approach make that happen? I dont have the answers to what he should be doing, but we cant keep dropping points like this, we got an incredibly hard run of fixtures coming up
It would depress me, for sure. Nothing shocks me with this lot anymore
He wasn't going to play, though. Rangnick didn't even play him when Pogba was injured. Fred hasn't played since Pogba came back. VDB isn't playing as our #6. He would have been on the bench. The midfield hasn't cost us in the last 3 games. The forwards have.
It's windy yet. I think there are twists and turns to go and a consistent approach to our games will eventually do us good this season.
Rangnick now has work to do by way of instilling a mentality that's not so fickle after conceding and he has no margin for error in the fixtures coming up.
Misleading in that they were as much due to better teams having off seasons rather than us being better than them.
It's rough now but a necessary transition to becoming a modern footballing club.
As we seem unable to beat anyone at the moment, top 4 is looking very difficult.
Bearing in mind we still have City, Tottenham and Liverpool as a 3 in a row league game run, and also have Chelsea and Arsenal away in there too.
We're definitely missing out at the moment.
Bearing in mind we still have City, Tottenham and Liverpool as a 3 in a row league game run, and also have Chelsea and Arsenal away in there too.
We're definitely missing out at the moment.
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Hiring Ole was a huge mistake. Paying ridiculous money for AWB, Maguire, Donny and Sancho were also huge mistakes.
I said in one of the threads before he was hired that I wasn’t sure about the suitability of him being a short term manager. The system he wants will take far longer than he has to be a success. I also think the expectation that he is preparing the squad for Ten Hag is quite funny. They have very different footballing principles.
The other thing that seems to be overlooked is that yes, Ralf talks well in the press and clearly knows tactics, but to implement that with top players you need more. Leadership skills are different to management skills and maybe he’s not inspiring enough to implement what he wants.
I know people will be thinking that footballers are paid a fortune and it shouldn’t matter, but everything is relative, footballers are human like everyone else.
The other thing that seems to be overlooked is that yes, Ralf talks well in the press and clearly knows tactics, but to implement that with top players you need more. Leadership skills are different to management skills and maybe he’s not inspiring enough to implement what he wants.
I know people will be thinking that footballers are paid a fortune and it shouldn’t matter, but everything is relative, footballers are human like everyone else.
His plan is to probably not get panicked and stay calm… as most of our draws especially in the last few weeks have been down to poor finishing. How do you tell them to change that? It’s down to the players to be able to finish easy chances.
Should have given it to carrick until.the end of the season, bet we would have picked up more points and perform better as well.
I respect what ragnick can do behind the scenes for a club but he should not be managing a club of our size
I respect what ragnick can do behind the scenes for a club but he should not be managing a club of our size
The fact you guys are blaming him when the players have been awful is hilarious
No top team can play in 45 minute bursts. If he just gets our players fit enough to play an attacking style for 90 minutes by the end of the season then the work he's doing has paid off.
No manager can come in to a team that's not fit enough to play for 90 minutes with an intensity and make it work. I've got faith we'll get better and better as the season goes on
Carrick was coaching us for the 5-0 vs Liverpool, 2-4 vs Leicester, 1-4 vs Watford, and the defeats to Villa West Ham and YB.
Nothing at all to suggest it would be any better under Carrick. He got two good results against Villarreal and Arsenal but that could just as easily have been the new manager effect and nothing at all to do with anything he changed.
Yeah, lots of separate mistakes were made.
The whole organisation is rotten and it’s incompetence and skewed priorities at board and ownership level underlying the mistakes.
To me the shit signings were often made because we couldn’t afford (or attract) anyone in the tier above them. And even worse we renewed player contracts when better run clubs would be cutting their losses; so we didn’t actively clear out players who were never going to be league-winners. And keeping these guys around is asking for trouble. Could be the managers dictating this but I don’t think so.
A difference between Carrick and Rangnick is that Carrick knew the squad. Carrick will be hoping for a good start to his managerial career so wouldn't have wanted it tainted by this lot.
Rangnick had nothing to lose, he's never been a top manager and has no future in management. He's never been at a big club, and was very likely never going to be until we came along. His appointment is probably a modern day Ali Dia esque duping but with a manager.
Carrick wasn’t really coaching though was he? He was just a caretaker because we needed a body in the dugout.
This is why we need Ralf to hand pick the next guy to carry on what he’s coaching. There’s zero point in the board going over his head and selecting Zidane or something because it renders the last 6 months pointless.
There’s probably a reason why Rangnick’s younger disciples are more successful managers. His vibe is very much the ‘brilliant academic with no chill’ & when the plan only works for 60 minutes, you need a Klopp-esque personality to add belief into the mix too.
We’re half way there… as always
We’re half way there… as always
Exactly. Really comes across as a guy who enjoys sitting in an office and planning more than being involved with the day-to-day management of a football team.
I'd like to see him go full Van Gaal and give a few kids a chance now.
In absolute fairness, it's widely known he turned down Chelsea...but obviously it worked out for them getting Tuchel in the end!
Carrick was part of Ole's coaching staff and before that also under Mourinho. He was definitely coaching the team for years.
Well for what it’s worth I’m not sure Ole was doing much coaching either. And I say that as a big Ole inner until basically the Liverpool game.
He himself has mentioned that he enjoys building and developing a footballing structure. That includes knowing who is good or isn't good enough, why it went right or wrong. The foundation of RB Salzburg and Leipzig was him...then Nagelsmann maximized that platform. Even Marsch did it at Salzburg, but obviously not at Leipzig.
If this is what "solidifying" is, we may as well have given the job to Carrick. Or even kept Ole. It's always doing everything under the sun to set up for the next manager. Until it isn't.
So if Ole was hands off, even more of the coaching had to be done by McKenna and Carrick.
He didn't coach much and delegated the coaching and details primarily to McKenna, Carrick, and some analysts. He came from under SAF, who delegated yes, but he coached a lot at Aberdeen and earlier years at United until he knew the club grew too big for him to be controlling of everything. But by then, his expectations and mentally were all over the club and it was a finely tuned machine.
Yep, he's not capable of beating Burnley because he's not a football player. You think Klopp or Pep would do much better with these chumps on our team?
How do you know what he was brought in for? He certainly seems like someone here to completely remake our club in both training and player selection. We've tried short term result based thinking for too long. We need to build again from the bottom. There's no point giving him 300 million to buy stars, that's not what he does. He find you the next Mane and a squad of players who run for a living, unlike our squad of joggers.
Blaming this on the coach when the players refuse to or cannot press as ordered is ridiculous, he's had to change tactics just to accommodate these joggers.
Promote this reasonable human please.
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The next manager has to have some say, but with everything Rangnick has been preaching and teaching...we hope the club will appoint someone who has similar beliefs and values and builds off what they have been building towards.
If anything, this summer is going to be entertaining and interesting. New manager, at least 3 new players, of which at least two new forwards. Can legitimate see 5 new players with at least 3 players being clearly considered as starting XI from the start (center forward, central mid x2)
Ralf is doing fine. It takes time to develop an identity and now is the time to do it
I think you're living in a fantasy land if you think we'll actually do all that.
Such common sense has been fantasy the past decade at United...like Disneyland, some might say.
Yeah, a 2-0 or 3-0 win right now would seem like we had routed the opponent and that kind of makes me depressed.
This has been our problem since Rangnick came in. We press for a while, we don't take advantage of our chances, and then we're knackered and flapping about for the rest of the game.
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