Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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VidaRed said:
I will defend him because i know the players are the main culprits here.

What do you do when the players dont listen and you cant drop them either because the board backs the players ?

If the same players can dominate the game for one half and fall of pieces in the second then that isn't on the manager because if the manager was incompetent then we wouldn't even dominate one half. It is clear as day that the players get lazy and dont follow the gameplan, even rangnick has said so.

You are here giving the players a clean pass and slaughtering the players. Guess what if poch comes next season and we get the same performances you'd be here asking him to be sacked while ignoring the one constant ie players.
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You can defend Ole too because the players did not listen to his tactics. See how it can be flipped.

What do I do if players don't listen to me? Well, none of us are exactly qualified to answer that shit. We can give those opinions around. But you have to get the result one way or another. It is why Ole got hired and sacked. Simple to me.

I am not asking him to be sacked. He is only here for 3 more months. As I said it is amusing people like you defending him that much based on nothing going on for us at all.
 
sun_tzu said:
Still in the cl though long odds on us winning that but anything is possible

Very much in the battle for 4th

New manager next season and potentially a huge churn of players out of contract

And a great set of youth players coming through

It not that bad
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The best you can say is “it might not be that bad”.

I’m afraid it is quite bad. As in fundamentally bad.

I’m not sure we have great youth players coming through. There’s Elanga but he’s only mildly exciting. There’s Hannibal who looks a real prospect. The others, well, we just don’t know.

Possibly you were being sarcastic about our prospects for the remainder of the season but if not, I envy your positive outlook and hope you and those who share your optimism are not too disappointed (probably sooner rather than later).
 
Banat said:
I don't blame him at all, improvements are obvious, we play much better football and he improved and promoted some players (Elanga, Dalot, Sancho).
He needs to drop Ronaldo though, but I'm not sure he holds enough power to do this.
I'm almost certain we would have won if he had balls to drop him for Elanga.
Not only that it would improve us short-term, but regular game time would mean so much for Elanga's experience and confidence for the next season.
I can't believe there are some people comparing him to Ole, it is insulting.
I just want RR to lay the foundations (hopefully) for ETH in the summer, and it means - Promote and improve some younger players, clear out the deadwood, introduce the pressing game and implement the formation and vision he wishes to play.
We clearly have a plan when we step on the pitch, but we can't execute it because some players are simply not good enough.
I expect he will get rid of many players in the summer.
He is doing a very good job so far as an interim, preparing the ground for the upcoming manager.
If you expected more (title challenge or some unbeaten streak) after an interim appointment and the worst manager in the PL you are clearly deluded.
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Agree with you I think without Ronaldo we'd have won that. Southampton is a bad team to play against with Ronaldo in your ranks, we needed to match their work rate. Ronnie also getting caught offside every time must get energy sapping after the umpteenth time.
 
BlueHaze said:
We can all agree the squad has big issues but blaming it all on the players is laughable. He came in during our easiest run in the entire season and has dropped 9 points already, essentialy 3 losses worth of points. Couldn't even beat Burnley. 2-0 up against Villa and nearly lost. He has zero ability of turning games around. And all this nonsense about improvement is also laughable. He wasn't brought in to improve the team he was brought in to get results and make us have a shot at top 4.

He's clearly not capable of that.
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Surely those two things go hand in hand.
 
2 man midfield said:
I’ll be honest, I’m not sure it makes any difference. In fact if we miss out on CL I’d rather we missed out on Europe altogether. One game a week = more time on the training ground.

Champions league helps us make money and attract the bigger name players, but that isn’t really what we need. In fact if Ronaldo wants to leave then it’d probably help. We need players who will carry out the managers instructions, to build a team greater than the sum of its parts.

I realise this is probably going to sound like some pro-Ralf spin on us failing to reach our goals but I just don’t see it having much of an impact on what Rangnick is trying to do.
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My point is that it might be harder to attract players and coaches to 'rebuild' logically.
 
The United said:
Tbf, if we miss out CL, it would only be more difficult to rebuild. We are in this situation because we missed out a lot on managers and those CL.

Having to pay tons of money to get good players because we have no CL is one situation I don't want us to be in again and again.
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Yet, if we are sensible missing CL might make us look at better options and actually build a side from scratch. They need to use their brains if they have one between them. I agree with lots saying this needs some deep thinking and time.
 
I am starting to question how much our manager has control over things. I struggle to believe he would pick all the players we play.
 
So top 4 gone now and we'll have to replace the exiting players in the summer with the next tier down of players like Liverpool did, mane from southampton, an unfancied salah from Roma etc. It may work in our favour as we'll have players that are hungry to play for the club at least. It's been crying out for that for years. The top tier CL type players you'll have a hard time enticing and you'd have to throw too much money at them and the cycle starts again.

But the question is are we canny enough to build a side this way? I'm not so sure.
 
He’s done well, but doesn’t seem to have the ability to get us over the line. Maybe he needs his own player, yes, but I don’t see him here next season.
 
The United said:
You can defend Ole too because the players did not listen to his tactics. See how it can be flipped.

What do I do if players don't listen to me? Well, none of us are exactly qualified to answer that shit. We can give those opinions around. But you have to get the result one way or another. It is why Ole got hired and sacked. Simple to me.

I am not asking him to be sacked. He is only here for 3 more months. As I said it is amusing people like you defending him that much based on nothing going on for us at all.
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Ole had no tactics. What you are doing is a false equivalence.

Ole got 3 years and hundreds of millions while rangnick is being slated at 3 months without a penny being spent.

No it cannot be flipped.
 
Deery said:
He’s done well, but doesn’t seem to have the ability to get us over the line. Maybe he needs his own player, yes, but I don’t seem him here next season.
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Think he will move upstairs, I hope he move upstairs. If he doesn't it will be more bad decisions. Hope a lot of the players go.
 


Hassenhutl comes in with the facts. We can maintain Rangnick's style for 45 minutes max. If we can't put the game to bed in that time the likelihood is we won't win. We will run out of gas and we will get suckered. It's that simple.
 
I feel for him. Weve clearly improved many aspects but there are just so many problems with these players, then add is the supposed fractures dressing room and the Greenwood debacle and its been a real baptism of fire. If we were even finishing like a professional team his record would be far better. Hes not perfect or beyond questioning but it was an especially tough introduction and i can only hope he weeds out the weak
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Yet, if we are sensible missing CL might make us look at better options and actually build a side from scratch. They need to use their brains if they have one between them. I agree with lots saying this needs some deep thinking and time.
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Buying badly has nothing to do with us being in the CL. In fact, most of these huge contracted players were signed with huge fees and wages or keeping past-it players because not many chose us due to missing out on CL in previous years.

What kind of logic involved in that we should perform badly on the pitch and lose participating in the highest competitions would make or help us rebuild a side from scratch? That's what we did when we were in and out (mostly out) of CL and look where we are in terms of players' performance and cost.

Talking about sensible or cutting nose to spite the face or something?
 
The United said:
My point is that it might be harder to attract players and coaches to 'rebuild' logically.
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According to you we already have quality players. So we only need to attract a good coach.

Please do name a coach who can waive his wand and polish turd.
 
Give the guy some time… there’s very clearly improvements in our game, which I haven’t seen for a long long time.
 
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Hassenhutl comes in with the facts. We can maintain Rangnick's style for 45 minutes max. If we can't put the game to bed in that time the likelihood is we won't win. We will run out of gas and we will get suckered. It's that simple.
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Rangnick's comments echo that somewhat:

 
#07 said:


Hassenhutl comes in with the facts. We can maintain Rangnick's style for 45 minutes max. If we can't put the game to bed in that time the likelihood is we won't win. We will run out of gas and we will get suckered. It's that simple.
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Clearly it is rangnicks fault that the players can only follow his instructions for 45 mins instead of 90.
 
VidaRed said:
According to you we already have quality players. So we only need to attract a good coach.

Please do name a coach who can waive his wand and polish turd.
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You do like to go extreme and put words in people's mouths in all these arguments, don't you?
 
His football exposes the weaknesses of this squad. This is not a bad thing.

We will be in a better position to rebuild by the time the summer gets here. But this is not going to be a quick transition, and our relatively high league finishes under Ole were misleading.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Surely those two things go hand in hand.
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Yes but I worded that badly I meant he was brought in to get results not just concede less or play more organized. He is not going to be the permanent manager so those things like focusing on his tactics are just pointless we need wins. Also I forgot we also drew against Necastle so that's 11 points dropped not 9.
 
The United said:
Buying badly has nothing to do with us being in the CL. In fact, most of these huge contracted players were signed with huge fees and wages or keeping past-it players because not many chose us due to missing out on CL in previous years.

What kind of logic involved in that we should perform badly on the pitch and lose participating in the highest competitions would make or help us rebuild a side from scratch? That's what we did when we were in and out (mostly out) of CL and look where we are in terms of players' performance and cost.

Talking about sensible or cutting nose to spite the face or something?
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That is why somebody like Ralf would useful advising who is available and for once use this vast scouting system properly. I have said before they are lazy and just prefer being guided by agents.
 
He has to pretty much permanently drop Maguire and Rashford and he doesnt have the balls for it.
 
sullydnl said:
Rangnick's comments echo that somewhat:

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The thing is he knows and everyone does with it.

What did he do to fix that? I mean yeah play like that for 45 mins then keep it type and stay back for the 2nd half relying on counters?

No, let's keep playing that way that we can't sustain on for full 90. And some people don't get it when others criticized that his game management is pretty bad.
 
groovyalbert said:
His football exposes the weaknesses of this squad. This is not a bad thing.

We will be in a better position to rebuild by the time the summer gets here. But this is not going to be a quick transition, and our relatively high league finishes under Ole were misleading.
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They weren't misleading but they were built on different principles. This is a squad better suited to Simeone than Ten Hag. Our players are best low blocking and relying on freestyling up front. To be a team that plays the gegenpress we need to basically sell half the squad and start fresh.
 
The United said:
Tbf, if we miss out CL, it would only be more difficult to rebuild. We are in this situation because we missed out a lot on managers and those CL.

Having to pay tons of money to get good players because we have no CL is one situation I don't want us to be in again and again.
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How come, what we gonna miss out on? Lemme guess, "world class" players, yea we can all see use of all "world class" players we signed thanks to taking part in CL. Extra money income? So we can waste it on wages of overpaid fecks.

We also should stop practice paying tons of money for so call good players, in our case most of them aint even good, first few months and then they look crap like rest of them and fans end up drooling for WBA/LCFC midfielders for example. If we only can attract players with CL or bunch of mercenaries and we have nothing else to offer, then we are in a deep shit.
 
Hammondo said:
I am starting to question how much our manager has control over things. I struggle to believe he would pick all the players we play.
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Until you realise the alternatives
 
R'hllor said:
How come, what we gonna miss out on? Lemme guess, "world class" players, yea we can all see use of all "world class" players we signed thanks to taking part in CL. Extra money income? So we can waste it on wages of overpaid fecks.

We also should stop practice paying tons of money for so call good players, in our case most of them aint even good, first few months and then they look crap like rest of them and fans end up drooling for WBA/LCFC midfielders for example. If we only can attract players with CL or bunch of mercenaries and we have nothing else to offer, then we are in a deep shit.
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We signed those players with huge contracts and wages due because we were desperate and not doing well on the pitch. That was my point.

We do need to do decently on the pitch to attract any type of players that we need. Not being in CL would make it a tiny bit harder.
 
The pressing is not just a pre season, we just don't have the right type of players for it, Sancho and Rashford use all their energy running forward, have little interest going back, Pogba is too big and bulky to do it consistently over 90 mins, McT probably the same. From our front 6 options maybe only Fred, Bruno, Elanga and Lingard are natural pressers.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
That is why somebody like Ralf would useful advising who is available and for once use this vast scouting system properly. I have said before they are lazy and just prefer being guided by agents.
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I don't know. Did he improve or sign any unknown players and they became great just like how the likes of Wengers or SAF used to do it in old days?
 
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