We had some downright dreadful and unacceptable results last season. Including shipping six goals to Spurs, four to Liverpool and that pathetic Europa final. Expectations being low is the only reason he was still here.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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We had some downright dreadful and unacceptable results last season. Including shipping six goals to Spurs, four to Liverpool and that pathetic Europa final. Expectations being low is the only reason he was still here.
Well that's that then. Ralf's untouchable.
The plan is that he takes the reigns for 6 months, evaluate the squad and then move upstairs with the knowledge of what this team is missing and who isn't good enough making it easier for our next manager.
But, it would be feckin typical of this club to once again change their plans and move on in another direction not using him where he can give you the most value. Why? Because we might not win top 4 trophy and play against the likes of Istanbul Basaksehir next season.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Most of the guys upstairs at Europe's top clubs wouldn't cut it as the head coach.
What if the players are shite ?
Do you sack a good coach because of bad players ?
Remember one thing -> turd cannot be polished.
No, I'm not doing the same thing. It's probably incompetent on your side to start criticizing someone after 2 months.
No manager is going to fix our issues in 2 months.
The audacity to compare Ole ins and Ralf ins
Let's see what are the excuses today.
So much talk about the way to press and stupid statistics like xG, but you see the game and probably they were better than us.
In my opinion we run like headless chickens for 30 minutes, the players at that moment are dead and the other team is better than us at the most decisive moment of the game in every single match.
Obviously something is wrong with the way we press, and that's on the manager.
On the other hand I don't understand why does he wait until 75 minutes to do the first change.
He looks completely lost and has no impact on the team. Next time we want to play lile Kloop, we will have better results if we sign Kloop.
I don't know if Kloop learned from Ralf, But I do know that Ralf needs to learn a lot from Kloop.
So much talk about the way to press and stupid statistics like xG, but you see the game and probably they were better than us.
In my opinion we run like headless chickens for 30 minutes, the players at that moment are dead and the other team is better than us at the most decisive moment of the game in every single match.
Obviously something is wrong with the way we press, and that's on the manager.
On the other hand I don't understand why does he wait until 75 minutes to do the first change.
He looks completely lost and has no impact on the team. Next time we want to play lile Kloop, we will have better results if we sign Kloop.
I don't know if Kloop learned from Ralf, But I do know that Ralf needs to learn a lot from Kloop.
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Have only watched 2 of our last 6 games having barely missed a single game the previous 15 years and feel a lot better for it. United this season both on and off the field is the worst I've ever seen and Rangnick in my opinion is absolutely useless. If a manger had any real talent, I'm sure they'd have gotten a job at a top club before the age of 63. The fact is, he talks the talk but in reality is an extremely average manager.
I was a fan of Ole's but agreed the time was right for him to go as he'd totally lost control but this is almost worse. One of the easiest fixture sequences I've seen and we're still struggling. Even Ole would've picked up more points from this run of fixtures.
We always here talk of when things start going wrong for a manager, that he's lost the dressing room. I don't think Rangnick has ever had the dressing room in the first place. If this is the new manager bounce to boot god help us for the remainder of the season when it wears off.
He's the most underwhelming United managerial appointment I've seen.
I was a fan of Ole's but agreed the time was right for him to go as he'd totally lost control but this is almost worse. One of the easiest fixture sequences I've seen and we're still struggling. Even Ole would've picked up more points from this run of fixtures.
We always here talk of when things start going wrong for a manager, that he's lost the dressing room. I don't think Rangnick has ever had the dressing room in the first place. If this is the new manager bounce to boot god help us for the remainder of the season when it wears off.
He's the most underwhelming United managerial appointment I've seen.
We’ve been poor but nothing we’ve seen under Ralf has been anything like as bad as the last few months of Ole. Remember when we’d concede 3 or 4 in what seemed like every game, topped off with a 4-1 slapping at the hands of fecking Watford. I dread to think what todays score line would have been had Ole still been in charge.
No, I'm not doing the same thing. It's probably incompetent on your side to start criticizing someone after 2 months.
No manager is going to fix our issues in 2 months.
The audacity to compare Ole ins and Ralf ins
No one expecting him to fix our issues in 2 months. That's just the narrative you and his other defenders are inventing to defend him.
I just expected to see a proper manager on touchline who actually reads the game well and knows what do when things don't go our way.
This doesn't need 10 months to start happening.
Finding it hard to blame him for this. Yes, maybe a bit weak in the sense that he needs drop of some of the big name players, but what can he do with these clowns on the pitch?
It will be the same under Poch, ETH or whoever we get. You can't build a good team with the current spine in place, it's hopeless. We're not a football club anymore, just a marketing agency really. Putting the blame on Ralf is missing the point.
I hope he can have some real influence as a DoF but seeing how they treated him during January, I have no hope there either. He's going to fall out with Murtough and Fletcher and leave next season I reckon.
It will be the same under Poch, ETH or whoever we get. You can't build a good team with the current spine in place, it's hopeless. We're not a football club anymore, just a marketing agency really. Putting the blame on Ralf is missing the point.
I hope he can have some real influence as a DoF but seeing how they treated him during January, I have no hope there either. He's going to fall out with Murtough and Fletcher and leave next season I reckon.
He can only do so much in such a short time with a group of players who are clearly not happy at the club and a larger group who aren't doing what he says, either because they're not happy or clueless. It's his job to turn that round but that's gonna take time, we know that. At least this stint will set him up in great stead for moving upstairs when he does. Let's just hope the club has the guts to remove the players causing problems.
Yeah. People cannot be re-writing history for Ole now. We were truly hopeless with him.
No, I'm not doing the same thing. It's probably incompetent on your side to start criticizing someone after 2 months.
No manager is going to fix our issues in 2 months.
The audacity to compare Ole ins and Ralf ins
Obviously not, but he doesn't help himself when his actual in-game management is piss poor.
I would get if it's taking time for players to understand his methods etc, but then why does he let these players just play out a game? Why doesn't he try and change things when he can surely see how poor our second half performances have been?
I agree mostly. He's not exempt from criticism, and leaving Ronnie on was weak I thought. Taking McTominay off and going 442 with a Bruno+Pogba midfield was also pretty suspect. But the principles are there to see, the team has been learning to play football. It's hard to evaluate how poor mentally our players are and how lacking Rangnick is in lighting a fuse inside the blackhole that is the United dressing room. But he seems to me the most competent person at the club by a mile.
I agree with this because something that our managers after SAF did not have as their first rule was to BUILD A TEAM FROM DEFENCE.
You did not get my point I guess?
A manager who can't get his idea across to the players won't be successful even if he is 'good'.
We would have been in serious trouble if he had stayed. Sorry but signing Ronaldo was a big mistake with regards to PL. He cannot keep pace with it any longer and you can see he knows it as well.
He still says the sort of thing I like to hear but, as he admits, it’s all obvious: restrict the opposition to one or two chances a game, create many chances for us and usually you should win. We’re not paying him for insight like that.
What matters is the work he’s doing behind the scenes and more importantly the results.
I don’t really like the way it’s going but I think we are seeing again what was always the problem - the players are not quite good enough.
Get them rowing the boat and hope the rivals get some injuries and they are good enough to finish second. We are short in CM, obviously, and up front.
RR looks beaten. Already. I don’t know what he was expecting to happen but he seems to have underestimated the task.
What matters is the work he’s doing behind the scenes and more importantly the results.
I don’t really like the way it’s going but I think we are seeing again what was always the problem - the players are not quite good enough.
Get them rowing the boat and hope the rivals get some injuries and they are good enough to finish second. We are short in CM, obviously, and up front.
RR looks beaten. Already. I don’t know what he was expecting to happen but he seems to have underestimated the task.
The chances to score were there, that suggests the tactic works. The finishing is just shit. He cant score the goals himself...
It's actually worse than Sanchez. At least we could drop him.
But what would you do differently? We have zero attacking options now because one of our players is a rapist and the rest are either lazy or ancient.
Players who cannot take in a managers ideas won't be any good either.
We've gone from 3 years of a guy who was previously managing Molde to someone who has barely coached in the last decade and was working as a consultant for Lokomotiv Moscow. Where's the good coach?
You're not referencing the same thing by using Klopp and Pep having pre-season etc. with their clubs - Ralf may well be a totally different entity if given a pre-season to work with this exact same bunch.
What we can gather from his interim stint is how he copes outside of that comfort zone, and he is finding it difficult to adapt. He's still working the players hard second half despite having clear evidence now that we can't cope with that. The onus is on him to find, and apply, workaround and contingencies, and he's flagging in that respect.
It's not just relegation fodder managers who have an aptitude for just that.
Ok tell me what exactly was he supposed to do differently today. Scott was a passenger from the moment he was cautioned.
Matic and Fred wasn't on the team. Ronaldo and Rashy was stinking up the place. Mason is gone and we don't have a forward who can finish.
Noone is going to come in miraculously and save us.
What are the changes he was supposed to make? Lingard on to rescue a point? Replace Ronaldo with our non existent replacement CF? I could see a case for Rashford going because he was awful and lazy after 30 mins but other than that you're expecting a rabbit out of a hat. He is prob not the guy as he's more of a DoF, but no question he is an upgrade on Ole where it was the last 60 mins of today every game with no control ever. At least we are not leaking goals, that's the way to start even if it isn't pretty.
Goes both ways, of course.
You honestly think we haven't improved since ole ?
Go and look at the stats apart from the scoreline.
Time to move on. Fire him, get someone in until the end of the season, maybe Rooney, then see who Wayne recommends to take over in the summer, maybe Ronaldo with Rooney as assistant. The United way.
Ole was able to get 74 points last season. RR should be doing a lot better.
The players finished 2nd in the league last season and also the Europa league final so they're not shite. We then added Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo on top of that so we should be doing much better this season.
There was no midfielder on the bench today. That's where we needed a change today. Imagine if we had a DM or deep passer on the bench today ?
Changing a game doesn't mean just bringing on attacking players though, He could change formation, he could bring on Lindelof for Maguire for some better long balls over the top, he could bring on Telles for Shaw for something different down the left. Bring on Elanga at 55 minutes, not 70 minutes, hell he could put Hannibal in the centre of the pitch, or put Mata on for someone who can at least control the ball.
But instead he puts Lingard on, a player who actively wants to leave. Great.
No one with anything to do with Manchester United over the last few seasons can be absolved of all blame
That‘s the thing. We have no midfielders available, no strikers, no full backs to bring on. A horrendous amount of money spent with a crap squad to show for …
Hannibal was on the bench, why not bring him on? I know it's easy to say "well Fergie did this" but I mean, that is the sort of thing Fergie would do.
If saf couldn't get his ideas across to the players, the players were shipped out.
Currently we are doing the opposite. Shit players with weak mentality will fail every manager. You can either move the players or try a dozen managers in making the same players succeed.
Ole should have done a lot better this season then?
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