Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[Rockets Redglare]

Changing a game doesn't mean just bringing on attacking players though, He could change formation, he could bring on Lindelof for Maguire for some better long balls over the top, he could bring on Telles for Shaw for something different down the left. Bring on Elanga at 55 minutes, not 70 minutes, hell he could put Mejbri in the centre of the pitch, or put Mata on for someone who can at least control the ball.

But instead he puts Lingard on, a player who wants to leave. Great.

I get what you’re saying but I don’t see a single player on our bench who could change a thing. The squad is dreadful.

 

[Red Dreams]

Ok tell me what exactly was he supposed to do differently today. Scott was a passenger from the moment he was cautioned.

Matic and Fred wasn't on the team. Ronaldo and Rashy was stinking up the place. Mason is gone and we don't have a forward who can finish.

Noone is going to come in miraculously and save us.

exactly.

And nothing was done this window to address the Greenwood situation or to fill the Midfield position.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I get what you’re saying but I don’t see a single player on our bench who could change a thing. The squad is dreadful.

Well its better to give it a go at least no? Loads of other teams in the league have far worse bench's then us and still manage to change games.

 

[::sonny::]

 

[antsmithmk]

I agree with this because something that our managers after SAF did not have as their first rule was to BUILD A TEAM FROM DEFENCE.

But no one in their right mind would think Maguire would be any part of such a plan.

 

[RORY65]

You honestly think we haven't improved since ole ?

Go and look at the stats apart from the scoreline.

We've improved for sure but we've had a piss easy run of fixtures and still haven't put a coherent 90 minutes together. My objection was to the tweet from the ESPN guy, I have confidence in Rangnick to be useful as a consultant but just because he speaks well and has the right ideas it doesn't mean he's an elite coach. We just need to get through to the end of the season now.

 

[90 + 5min]

As any manager. He needs time.

 

[Mickeza]

exactly.

And nothing was done this window to address the Greenwood situation or to fill the Midfield position.

Yeah I can’t believe they didn’t manage to replace Mason Greenwood - a starter for Manchester United at 20 - with 2 whole days notice. There’s just so many top attacking players waiting to be bought on deadline day. Absolute morons they are.

 

[Red00012]

He’s just repeated what Scholes said on BT

 

[BlueHaze]

We can all agree the squad has big issues but blaming it all on the players is laughable. He came in during our easiest run in the entire season and has dropped 9 points already, essentialy 3 losses worth of points. Couldn't even beat Burnley. 2-0 up against Villa and nearly lost. He has zero ability of turning games around. And all this nonsense about improvement is also laughable. He wasn't brought in to improve the team he was brought in to get results and make us have a shot at top 4.

He's clearly not capable of that.

 

[Hailee]

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All this hype about the father of gegenpressing and we still play Oleball

Can't play his way with Ole's players.

People complaining are just being stupid. He tried to get to team to play his way and stopped it. He didn't have the chance to get the players he wants. He didn't even have a summer to coach and condition his team to play the way he wants.

We all know it will get worse before it gets better, why are we bitching now the worse part is here?

Besides, he is just a temp. We will get another coach soon enough. Why the impatience?

Same for people complaining about Ronaldo. I'm sick of it. I am more than happy to drop Ronaldo for a world class striker. But where is that guy in our team? At least wait till we have the funds and the chance to buy a new striker. We can't even afford a new midfielder FFS.

 

[AndySmith1990]

As any manager. He needs time.

...and a group of players who aren't assholes

 

[Dike_Manc]

Finding it hard to blame him for this. Yes, maybe a bit weak in the sense that he needs drop of some of the big name players,

Finding it hard to blame him for this. Yes, maybe a bit weak in the sense that he needs drop of some of the big name players, but what can he do with these clowns on the pitch?

It will be the same under Poch, ETH or whoever we get. You can't build a good team with the current spine in place, it's hopeless. We're not a football club anymore, just a marketing agency really. Putting the blame on Ralf is missing the point.

I hope he can have some real influence as a DoF but seeing how they treated him during January, I have no hope there either. He's going to fall out with Murtough and Fletcher and leave next season I reckon.

It will be the same under Poch, ETH or whoever we get. You can't build a good team with the current spine in place, it's hopeless. We're not a football club anymore, just a marketing agency really. Putting the blame on Ralf is missing the point.

I hope he can have some real influence as a DoF but seeing how they treated him during January, I have no hope there either. He's going to fall out with Murtough and Fletcher and leave next season I reckon.

Well for starters he can come to the realization (where everyone is) that Marcus fecking Rashford is useless and should not be starting games for any club let alone Manchester United. He could also grow a pair and drop the drama queen CR herself for a few games just to have someone who can hold up play for 2 seconds.
That'll be a start.

 

[VidaRed]

Ole was able to get 74 points last season. RR should be doing a lot better.

Our players are mentally weak and therefore empty stadiums suited them more. Plus our rivals were having an injury crises and plus we won a lot of games without dominating them.

Ole was the luckiest manager ever to grace football. If fergie had half the luck that ole had he would have won a couple of more trebles.

Ole's luck eventually ran out and we were getting spanked by watford who are about to be relegated.

 

[antsmithmk]

Well for starters he can come to the realization (where everyone is) that Marcus fecking Rashford is useless and should not be starting games for any club let alone Manchester United. He could also grow a pair and drop the drama queen CR herself for a few games just to have someone who can hold up play for 2 seconds.
That'll be a start.

What this poster wrote ^

We've got some great PLAYERS....we have an awful TEAM

 

[GMoore23]

Ole should have done a lot better this season then?

Yes

 

[VidaRed]

The players finished 2nd in the league last season and also the Europa league final so they're not shite. We then added Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo on top of that so we should be doing much better this season.

They are shite.

Empty stadiums and our rivals having injury crises helped us a lot. As soon as our rivals got better managers ole level was apparent.

And 2nd means feck all, its the first loser in my book.

 

[The United]

If saf couldn't get his ideas across to the players, the players were shipped out.

Currently we are doing the opposite. Shit players with weak mentality will fail every manager. You can either move the players or try a dozen managers in making the same players succeed.

Yeah and it was SAF.

Who TF is RR?

 

[CloneMC16]

Yeah I can’t believe they didn’t manage to replace Mason Greenwood - a starter for Manchester United at 20 - with 2 whole days notice. There’s just so many top attacking players waiting to be bought on deadline day. Absolute morons they are.

This is exactly what a lot of people are missing. I've seen a lot of complaints about letting Martial leave. Allowing him to leave at the time was perfectly acceptable. The biggest problem has been losing Greenwood, with little to no time to react to it. Losing him has been massive this season. It might end up completely destroying it.

 

[AltiUn]

I think our tactics since Villa have been fine, last 3 in particular is just us not finishing chances. Not creating chances is indicative of a systemic issue, the fact we're creating chances should be a good indication that the players are getting used to the new system.

 

[OrcaFat]

Ole should have done a lot better this season then?

Ole should have done better this season, for sure. God knows what happened for the wheels to come off that badly.

Whatever else you say about Ole, he was manager when we finished 2nd and got to the Europa final. Even if none of it was down to him it’s still better than scraping top six and getting knocked out of cups by the likes of Middlesborough.

In general, it makes no sense to say things were Ole’s fault before but now it’s the players.

If we’re being kind, RR is struggling to get the best out of a squad of mixed quality.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

People were rending their garments because Mourinho's counter-attacking/defensive football was not compatible with what OT liked to see. It's funny that three years, 400 million spent and countless weekly lectures about the United-DNA later, this team can still play only one type of football... When the counter is not an option, we have no idea what to do with the ball. That's progress for you.

Sure, let him go. Get another interim who'll give us a better shot of making top-four. Then, in the summer, hire (someone like) Poch who'll get the customary 2-3 signings and will be told to make do with the same players assets because that's the way we do things around here. And when the shit hits the fan again, we can always turn to Solskjaer to bring the good vibes back.

Both the board and the fans need to understand that if we truly want to see United play modern football and compete for the highest prizes, we have to start planning for a complete overhaul of the squad in the space of 3-4 years. It's going to be painful, and it's probably going to get worse before it gets any better.

Let him see out the season, move upstairs and work with the next manager (ETH) on building a new squad.

Yes, he can drop everyone and play the kids. And when the prima donnas throw their toys out of the pram again, the board will tell him to make amends with the players (isn't that what happened with Lingard?).

 

[VidaRed]

Yeah and it was SAF.

Who TF is RR?

Our manager.

And guess what he needs a bit of support.

Haven't you read the leaks from the players ? They're bitching about having to work.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

We haven't got better. We have just had a much easier run of games since Ole left. Fixtures swing again soon and you will all see not a single thing has changed.

We aren't even winning the easy games.

 

[Red Dreams]

How many chances did Ronaldo miss today.
Maguire looks like an accident waiting to happen.

 

[spiriticon]

Can't play his way with Ole's players.

People complaining are just being stupid. He tried to get to team to play his way and stopped it. He didn't have the chance to get the players he wants. He didn't even have a summer to coach and condition his team to play the way he wants.

We all know it will get worse before it gets better, why are we bitching now the worse part is here?

Besides, he is just a temp. We will get another coach soon enough. Why the impatience?

Same for people complaining about Ronaldo. I'm sick of it. I am more than happy to drop Ronaldo for a world class striker. But where is that guy in our team? At least wait till we have the funds and the chance to buy a new striker. We can't even afford a new midfielder FFS.

Yes but I assume we gave him the job over Valverde and others based on him convincing us that he is able to do something in the short 6 months?

Everyone and their dog knew the impact of the interim manager had to be immediate, so it is fine to have a debate on whether he is the right coach for an interim position.

 

[GMoore23]

They are shite.

Empty stadiums and our rivals having injury crises helped us a lot. As soon as our rivals got better managers ole level was apparent.

And 2nd means feck all, its the first loser in my book.

Well, we're going to end this season as 7th or 8th loser with no CL football to look forward to so it was certainly better than this.

 

[mk7]

I think our tactics since Villa have been fine, last 3 in particular is just us not finishing chances. Not creating chances is indicative of a systemic issue, the fact we're creating chances should be a good indication that the players are getting used to the new system.

The important thing is that these are not only chances after Hollywood passes from Bruno. There are patterns to be seen, we just can’t finish them …

 

[sun_tzu]

Season is over and the next one's won't be any better. The owners and board are the reason for this mess. They won't fix it. They will just create more.

Still in the cl though long odds on us winning that but anything is possible

Very much in the battle for 4th

New manager next season and potentially a huge churn of players out of contract

And a great set of youth players coming through

It not that bad

 

[VidaRed]

People were rending their garments because Mourinho's counter-attacking/defensive football was not compatible with what OT liked to see. It's funny that three years, 400 million spent and weekly lectures about the United-DNA, this team can still play only one type of football... When the counter is not an option, we have no idea what to do with the ball. That's progress for you.

Sure, let him go. Get another interim who'll give us a better shot of making top-four. Then, in the summer, hire (someone like) Poch who'll get the customary 2-3 signings and will be told to make do with the same players assets because that's the way we do things around here. And when the shit hits the fan again, we can always turn to Solskjaer to bring the good vibes back.

Both the board and the fans need to understand that if we truly want to see United play modern football and compete for the highest prizes, we have to start planning for a complete overhaul of the squad in the space of 3-4 years. It's going to be painful, and it's probably going to get worse before it gets any better.

Let him see out the season, move upstairs and work with the next manager (ETH) on building a new squad.

Yes, he can drop everyone and play the kids. And when the prima donnas throw their toys out of the pram again, the board will tell him to make amends with the players (isn't that what happened with Lingard?).

Most fans want immediate results and expect managers to be crucified if they don't.

Poch/ETH/Enrique etc none of them can deliver possessive, pressing football with the crop of players we have. And because fans demand immediate results we'll stick to counter attacking football and individual moments to bail us out.

Rinse and repeat and another decade passes without silverware. No one has the fecking patience to actually see the problem and overhaul it.

 

[The United]

Our manager.

And guess what he needs a bit of support.

Haven't you read the leaks from the players ? They're bitching about having to work.

RR is nothing compared to SAF mainly because the latter was successful with the way he wanted to play and the players followed it. That was the point.

Look I don't think RR is total shit. It is just that my expectation was a bit higher and he has not met it yet.

Just like so-called Ole's inners, people like you are defending him to death which is amusing to me.

 

[city-puma]

The next game will be even worse than today. We are regressing.

 

[R'hllor]

My issues with RR probably ainy the same as most of in here but lets be real, majority losing their shit only due missing out on CL, thats only thing people care about, which is mental when you consider our overall shit situation.

 

[VidaRed]

RR is nothing compared to SAF mainly because the latter was successful with the way he wanted to play and the players followed it. That was the point.

Look I don't think RR is total shit. It is just that my expectation was a bit higher and he has not met it yet.

Just like so-called Ole's inners, people like you are defending him to death which is amusing to me.

If fergie was never backed over the players he wouldn't have been successful. If fergie was judged over a period of 3 months with players he inherited from the previous administration then he wouldn't have been successful. Of course rangnick is no where near fergie but a managers authority must be established before he can be accused as the sole and only culprit, currently the manager of man utd has no authority, even the players have more power in the dressing room.

I will defend him because i know the players are the main culprits here.

What do you do when the players dont listen and you cant drop them either because the board backs the players ?

If the same players can dominate the game for one half and fall of pieces in the second then that isn't on the manager because if the manager was incompetent then we wouldn't even dominate one half. It is clear as day that the players get lazy and dont follow the gameplan, even rangnick has said so.

You are here giving the players a clean pass and slaughtering the manager. Guess what if poch comes next season and we get the same performances you'd be here asking him to be sacked while ignoring the one constant ie players.

 

[The United]

My issues with RR probably ainy the same as most of in here but lets be real, majority losing their shit only due missing out on CL, thats only thing people care about, which is mental when you consider our overall shit situation.

Tbf, if we miss out CL, it would only be more difficult to rebuild. We are in this situation because we missed out a lot on managers and those CL.

Having to pay tons of money to get good players because we have no CL is one situation I don't want us to be in again and again.

 

[lilcurt]

I think with the right players RR would be a really good manager. I don't mind his tactics, we just don't have the players to suit him or his style.

I am frustrated that the same favourites get game after game however, Maguire and Rashford should be nowhere near the first 11 yet started today and predictably had stinkers. I just know they will start the next game as well.

 

[Dec9003]

Tbf, if we miss out CL, it would only be more difficult to rebuild. We are in this situation because we missed out a lot on managers and those CL.

Having to pay tons of money to get good players because we have no CL is one situation I don't want us to be in again and again.

I think the effect on signings is overstated a little bit. We’ve been in the Champions league for the last few years and I think we’d all agree the signings haven’t worked out.
Liverpool weren’t in the champions league right away under Klopp, I think picking the right manager is more important than which European competition we’re in.

 

[Banat]

I don't blame him at all, improvements are obvious, we play much better football and he improved and promoted some players (Elanga, Dalot, Sancho).
He needs to drop Ronaldo though, but I'm not sure he holds enough power to do this.
I'm almost certain we would have won if he had balls to drop him for Elanga.
Not only that it would improve us short-term, but regular game time would mean so much for Elanga's experience and confidence for the next season.
I can't believe there are some people comparing him to Ole, it is insulting.
I just want RR to lay the foundations (hopefully) for ETH in the summer, and it means - Promote and improve some younger players, clear out the deadwood, introduce the pressing game and implement the formation and vision he wishes to play.
We clearly have a plan when we step on the pitch, but we can't execute it because some players are simply not good enough.
I expect he will get rid of many players in the summer.
He is doing a very good job so far as an interim, preparing the ground for the upcoming manager.
If you expected more (title challenge or some unbeaten streak) after an interim appointment and the worst manager in the PL you are clearly deluded.

 

[2 man midfield]

Tbf, if we miss out CL, it would only be more difficult to rebuild. We are in this situation because we missed out a lot on managers and those CL.

Having to pay tons of money to get good players because we have no CL is one situation I don't want us to be in again and again.

I’ll be honest, I’m not sure it makes any difference. In fact if we miss out on CL I’d rather we missed out on Europe altogether. One game a week = more time on the training ground.

Champions league helps us make money and attract the bigger name players, but that isn’t really what we need. In fact if Ronaldo wants to leave then it’d probably help. We need players who will carry out the managers instructions, to build a team greater than the sum of its parts.

I realise this is probably going to sound like some pro-Ralf spin on us failing to reach our goals but I just don’t see it having much of an impact on what Rangnick is trying to do.

 

[r0663664]

We need a guy who aren't afraid to make big decisions. Ole overstay his welcome, he was never a top class manager. He bought Maguire who is so slow that any decent strikers would eat him for lunch. He bought AWB who for the sake of god can't cross or attack. Fernández, Sancho, Varane and when Ronaldo becomes available, he jump at the chance to get him. Ole is just buying players with big reputation instead fit. Ole was living a dream as football manager. Now, we pick up the mess that he left behind. I think we need clear heads at this club. Maybe if is time that we start playing the U-23 players. Who knows we may start winning.