Genuinely intrigued. Can't see anything other than being completely destroyed.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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We have terrible owners, a terrible board, a nobody manager who has no authority due to his deal and a pathetic captain.
Is it any wonder we are crap?
Season is over and the next one's won't be any better. The owners and board are the reason for this mess. They won't fix it. They will just create more.
Is it any wonder we are crap?
Season is over and the next one's won't be any better. The owners and board are the reason for this mess. They won't fix it. They will just create more.
Weird rant.
It doesn't necessarily have to be gegenpressing, though. The fact that Rangnick has made us better defensively and better at creating chances in a more structured way is already an improvement.
I'll reserve judgement for teams that should be giving us a game on paper. In the meantime we're dropping points when we're expected to win.
How much better defensively has he made us?
Do you remember that we lost 5-0 to Liverpool and 4-1 to Watford right before he was sacked?
And then these same people will lecture you about kneejerking. Delicious irony.
Sure, fair enough. I'm taking the glass half-full position on him and I know others may feel different.
Er, by not shipping goals for a laugh any more?
Care to explain why? What is it that is so good about the Glazers, our board, the interim manager and Maguire I'm missing?
Struggling to find any positives right now.
Yes, but that's hardly much of a point is it? what you need to look at is the teams we've played against before/after, the chances they create on average, chances against them on average, goals they've scored on average etc and compare it with how they performed against us, did they create less or more than they do on average etc. In general, since Ralph took over, we've played worse teams but they're still creating more than they usually do. People need to dig slightly deeper, it's like being back to people believing our defense was solid when we finished second under Mourinho
Our goalie got premier league player of the month, that's hardly a ringing endorsement of our defense.
That was without looking at the performances, which is what you're doing
Giving him the benefit for now. Let's see if the goals can come. I really cant look beyond the refereeing decisions tonight either. Watched them back and neither should have been disallowed. It was criminal.
What I like about RR is that he says he’s going to do something and it actually shows on the pitch. He said his first focus was to stop us leaking goals for fun and we’ve massively improved in that aspect. Next, he wanted us to be better at controlling games and we’ve been doing that, albeit not for 90 minutes apart from against WH. Compare that to Ole who said he wanted flying wingers, attacks down the flanks and a high defensive line and then bought AWB and Maguire, wanted us to score easy goals but couldn’t coach our strikers to make a run inside the box for a tap-in and instead made us rely on individuals pulling something out of their hats every time.
The chance creation over the past few games has been very good and we’re in a bit of a poor run in terms of chance conversion, but if we’re going to revert towards the mean in terms of xG we’re going to be converting more. Previously, we didn’t even create any chances for us to miss so there’s obvious improvement here. Now, if he could just permanently get Maguire out of the team I’d be happy.
The chance creation over the past few games has been very good and we’re in a bit of a poor run in terms of chance conversion, but if we’re going to revert towards the mean in terms of xG we’re going to be converting more. Previously, we didn’t even create any chances for us to miss so there’s obvious improvement here. Now, if he could just permanently get Maguire out of the team I’d be happy.
It is always darkest before dawn. If we are to come out of this in two years time close to pep and klopp, we have to suffer now. We could have went for conte and in two years time the players would throw him under the bus, and also he probably would have resigned lukaku.
We are trying to change the culture of the club. from counter attacking managers to a more attacking minded approach.
I am not saying we should hire Rangnick full time. But he should go upstairs in the summer and hopefully we get ten hag. The club should go all out of ten hag.
We are trying to change the culture of the club. from counter attacking managers to a more attacking minded approach.
I am not saying we should hire Rangnick full time. But he should go upstairs in the summer and hopefully we get ten hag. The club should go all out of ten hag.
Under Ole we conceded 30 in 17 games (1.8 goals per game). Under Ralf 9 in 12 (0.75 goals per game). You can argue that under Ole we faced better opposition, but we also conceded 4 vs Watfold and Leicester, 2 vs Atalanta (twice) and 2 vs Young Boys. The difference is a bit too much to be explained by the quality of opposition imo, but yes, we will be able to judge a lot better after the end of the season.Yes, but that's hardly much of a point is it? what you need to look at is the teams we've played against before/after, the chances they create on average, chances against them on average, goals they've scored on average etc and compare it with how they performed against us, did they create less or more than they do on average etc. In general, since Ralph took over, we've played worse teams but they're still creating more than they usually do. People need to dig slightly deeper, it's like being back to people believing our defense was solid when we finished second under Mourinho
I saw a weak mental performance today when things didnt go our way. Chances galore but we should have been bouyed by that, not completely folded when they equalised.
Varane's disallowed goal I could sort of see where the ref was coming from at a push, but the own goal was beyond farce. No pitch side screen check, either.
The second was an awful decision.
Second one stunk of corruption. It's made this draw all the more difficult to take.
If i were ralf i would be going public with my dissatisfaction of that decision. If it were city it would have been given.
City or Liverpool and not even a sniff that either gets reviewed. We are against the officials this season.
We need a bit of luck with referee decisions though.
We stopped leaking goals, having better control, pressing is good for most of the times, and now strikers are not doing their part. Its really really a horrible situation for any manager to get results here. Top 4 is truly gone after today.
Overall I think ralf is good but the situation is shit.
We stopped leaking goals, having better control, pressing is good for most of the times, and now strikers are not doing their part. Its really really a horrible situation for any manager to get results here. Top 4 is truly gone after today.
Overall I think ralf is good but the situation is shit.
In terms of the owners, the absolute twats that they are, have still allowed us to spend insane amounts of money over the years. Our results over the years doesn't reflect the amount of money we've spent on transfer fees and wages, we've outspent pretty much everyone apart from City.
No idea why Rangnick contract is supposed to be a problem. Everyone is well aware that he's supposed to move into a role where he'll have plenty to say about the future of our players. Him being an interim manager hardly matters.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion in here, but RR looks majorly out of his depth to me.
I think he's done wonders in little time, we seem to pass quicker, more solid defensively not sure what else this guy can do with bitchy moany players most of which who aren't up for the fight.
Totally with you on this. People seem to have quickly forgotten just how awful we were under Ole, particularly towards the end. We are already significantly better in every area of the team and if not for a stupidly lucky handled goal against us for Middlesbrough and tonight's extremely soft decisions to rule out the 2nd and 3rd we'd be feeling pretty darn good at the moment.
Also, there are some players who are still potentially not good enough despite their best efforts and the better coaching they are now getting.
'Majorly out of his depth' just doesn't ring true at all for me. Look at his record so far and look at how improved the performances have been of late.
@Nou_Camp99 This guy is right. 10 years of mediocrity. Taken the exact same road as AC Milan. Absolutely disastrous owners who have zero capability of making the club sucessful on the sporting side because their sole focus lies within the commercial part.
10 years from now we will still have the same discussions on repeat. Seriously, how can we even fool ourselves into thinking we ever have a shot at anything with these clowns running the club?
10 years from now we will still have the same discussions on repeat. Seriously, how can we even fool ourselves into thinking we ever have a shot at anything with these clowns running the club?
The complete opposite. He has transformative coached a cohesive team and he’s truly looking shocked at how such a talented group of players can continue to play like Rashford
After an excellent display in the first half, the players collapsed after the mistakes that led to the Burnley goal. This fragile mentality has existed in the squad since the Mourinho days. In addition to tactics and etc., Ralf need to get the United players to be mentality monsters. Where is that sports psychologist he brought in?
I like the way he speaks and don't think he's awful but I expected more. The results have been really bad generally. Ole was still worse, but Ralf is obviously not the answer for permanent.
I think we are worse under him. We are just not creating much high quality chances.
Also concede silly goals.
We had the easy run and not improved at all from it. Last year we played better.
I guess we can blame VAR, but we should not need it against Middlesbrough and Burnley-
Also concede silly goals.
We had the easy run and not improved at all from it. Last year we played better.
I guess we can blame VAR, but we should not need it against Middlesbrough and Burnley-
I feel with Ralf our weaknesses are laid bare as those who struggle to keep up with the system are exposed quickly - which includes most of our players. This is because Ralf plays according to a game-plan. It allows everyone to manage expectations of what is realistically achievable at this point. We're not a CL team at the moment and it is quite clear to see.
With Ole, a lot of individual performances papered over the cracks and towards the end it all collapsed dramatically.
With Ole, a lot of individual performances papered over the cracks and towards the end it all collapsed dramatically.
He's not had much of an impact. Hopefully we get more from the permanent manager.
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We’ve won four of our eight league games under him. Six of those games have been against teams in the bottom eight. We’ve scored a grand total of thirteen goals in those games. Throw in an FA Cup exit to a Champiomship team and I’m struggling to see him having a good record so far.
He had a ton of easy fixtures with mediocre results. In 2 or 3 games we are going to play against all the big teams including Atletico de Madrid and I don't think anyone can be confident about that.
I also don't understand why people compare him with Kloop. Kloop was already one of the best in the world when he went to Liverpool, winning silverware nad being in a Champions League final after eliminating Mourinho's Madrid.
Ralf isn' t between the best 25 or 50 coaches in the world. We can't compare with with the big ones.
I also don't understand why people compare him with Kloop. Kloop was already one of the best in the world when he went to Liverpool, winning silverware nad being in a Champions League final after eliminating Mourinho's Madrid.
Ralf isn' t between the best 25 or 50 coaches in the world. We can't compare with with the big ones.
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