Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Joel Miller said:
However you dress it up he’s simply not been good enough. Football managers live and die by results and the results have been miles off what they should be and what the club should expect. He doesn’t seem to be a particular strong manager either in terms of strength of character.
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True but he was never going to be, he's a decent yet past it manager who's never managed outside Germany or a top club.

Taking over a struggling team in the PL mid season was never likely to be successful for him, he's not doing badly but results probably could have been better if he'd adopted 433 earlier.
 
MUFC OK said:
I saw a weak mental performance today when things didnt go our way. Chances galore but we should have been bouyed by that, not completely folded when they equalised.
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The mentality will take some time - I wouldn't say we completely folded though. We created at least two very good opportunities after that game.
 
I may be fooling myself, but I actually see clear improvements in how we play. There is much more structure, we press more as a unit, we seem to be more comfortable on the ball and are better at playing out from the back, etc.

Results are not good enough (Robbie), but it is extremely difficult to win games when we are wasteful with our chances AND have the capacity for massive mistakes at the back. No manager can change that. Better players are needed.

To me, Ralfy is still giving us better chances to win than Ole did.
 
Joel Miller said:
However you dress it up he’s simply not been good enough. Football managers live and die by results and the results have been miles off what they should be and what the club should expect. He doesn’t seem to be a particular strong manager either in terms of strength of character.
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Yeah right - maybe Liverpool should have applied your logic with Klopp in the same stage of the progress
 
el3mel said:
Last 2 games were against a championship side and the 20th team in the league. Great achievement indeed creating chances against such kind of teams.
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Don't complain theres no improvement and then hide behind shit posts like this when you see improvements in performance. We were smashed by bottom league sides 4-1 before Rangnick walked in.
 
Recent results make it hard to look at it rationally I think. Obviously drawing with Middlesbrough and Burnley is bad but I think we are actually playing better than we have all season.

Wasteful finishing and some harsh VAR decisions have turned a couple of 4-0 wins into 1-1 draws. In the first half we destroyed Burnley and had the ball in the net 3 times.

We have gone from conceding about 15 shots per game to barely offering the other team a chance. Had Maguire not had another complete brain fart last night Burnley would not have had a single chance on goal. On top of that we are still creating good chances at the other end. Unfortunately with Ronaldo and Cavani both being out of form we lack a clinical finisher to bury them.

I think he's doing a good job of fixing the issues we had under Ole and I like his honesty in the press. He doesn't protect players when they've stepped out of line but he doesn't totally throw them under the bus like Jose. There's no way I believe the Martial/Lingard side of the story over his. The ideal scenario is for him to keep improving the way we play, move upstairs where his expertise is even greater and then hire ETH as his replacement.
 
I find it hilarious posters are up in arms about Rangnick when we had the ball in the net 3 times, Ronaldo misses a good header, Cavani has a shot saved 2 yards out, and Mee saves Varane's flick from 2 yards out.

It's like they expect him to get himself on the pitch and put the ball in the back of the net himself :lol:
 
VP89 said:
I find it hilarious posters are up in arms about Rangnick when we had the ball in the net 3 times, Ronaldo misses a good header, Cavani has a shot saved 2 yards out, and Mee saves Varane's flick from 2 yards out.

It's like they expect him to get himself on the pitch and put the ball in the back of the net himself :lol:
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The last two games we should have been out of sight before half time. We look a lot better for good portions of the game now, there’s still improvement to be made but at least we’re not conceding at will like we were before he came in.

We look better drilled but the forward line’s finishing is costing us points.
 
Yeah I am more worried about the fitness of our midfield and defensive capabilities of our frontline. We have bossed the last two first halves. When the expected fight back comes second half...we look leggy...no bite...sitting back and most importantly no control. It’s where you need to tell the lads to not focus so much on killing it on the break for 10 minutes or so and get Pogba and Bruno to put their fuking foot on it. Slow it down and take the momentum out of the game and start to build again. Once it gets hectic, we look second best.
 
Matt007a said:
Recent results make it hard to look at it rationally I think. Obviously drawing with Middlesbrough and Burnley is bad but I think we are actually playing better than we have all season.

Wasteful finishing and some harsh VAR decisions have turned a couple of 4-0 wins into 1-1 draws. In the first half we destroyed Burnley and had the ball in the net 3 times.

We have gone from conceding about 15 shots per game to barely offering the other team a chance. Had Maguire not had another complete brain fart last night Burnley would not have had a single chance on goal. On top of that we are still creating good chances at the other end. Unfortunately with Ronaldo and Cavani both being out of form we lack a clinical finisher to bury them.

I think he's doing a good job of fixing the issues we had under Ole and I like his honesty in the press. He doesn't protect players when they've stepped out of line but he doesn't totally throw them under the bus like Jose. There's no way I believe the Martial/Lingard side of the story over his. The ideal scenario is for him to keep improving the way we play, move upstairs where his expertise is even greater and then hire ETH as his replacement.
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Can't fault any of that
 
Ralf is as frustrated as the supporters listening to his interviews.

He's at least wiling to call out the teams shortcomings unlikely OGS.

There are definite signs of improvement for me. Far less sloppy goals given away and signs of a shape, a style of play. Granted very much a slow work in progress.

He's also not so wedded to his ideas that he'll stick to them blindly, like ditching his 4222.
 
crossy1686 said:
The last two games we should have been out of sight before half time. We look a lot better for good portions of the game now, there’s still improvement to be made but at least we’re not conceding at will like we were before he came in.

We look better drilled but the forward line’s finishing is costing us points.
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Yeah.

When City and Liverpool play these games its put to bed in the first half and jog football for the rest.

Both our last 2 matches Rangnick set everything up for that, even the golden chances that are begging. He can't take blame for that, the players need to put the ball in the back of the fecking net when they have clear chances. Its another matter if theres no chemistry or if we arent creating or if we cant control possession (all issues under Ole and attributable to a lack of style and coaching).
 
Foxbatt said:
There are huge disappointments with him. It is not the pressing but it is the passing. We only seem to pass most of the time when there is no other options. We would have scored a lot more if we do not try to take the entire opposition defence by one player. I remember one incident when we had a counter going, Rashford received the ball on the right and they had two defenders running to get back. Yes it is Rashford vs two but he stopped and eventually they all got back and he played it back to midfield and it went back to Maguire etc.
If we move the ball sooner in the final third too we will create a lot more opportunities.
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If you know anything about Rangnick then you’d know that Rashford dribbling all the time and taking 20 yard pot shots would not be what RR would instruct him to do. That coupled with the fact that Rashford has been running into blind alleys and taking low percentage shots since long before Rangnick came here should tell you that it is Rashford’s own decision making that’s lacking.
 
I’m very surprised at how many can’t recognise how Ralf’s come in and taken over a team that hasn’t been coached for nigh on three years, and a squad that has been assembled without a specific tactic in mind (or while being unsuitable for the tactic that the previous manager wanted to play), and made us look like a team with some actual direction in less than three months (in the middle of a covid outbreak and matches being played twice a week). He’s made us into a team that’s actually creating chances and restricting the opposition’s chances to a minimum. Yeah, on paper the results over the past week are bad but we’ve performed so much better than previously and could’ve had seven or eight goals in those two games without even needing to be lucky and outperform our xG. This sort of underperformance relative to the chances we’re creating isn’t going to be sustained forever.
 
Rangnick on the need to find consistency: "Yes, but under normal circumstances we should have been two or three up at half time. It should have been more than 1-0. Today we scored three goals, I cannot blame the team for not scoring." [BBC]
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We all know who's he's blaming here
 
Oh, and people having a go at Ralf during the match for leaving Pogba alone in midfield when he threw the kitchen sink at them was hilarious. What would they have him do? Bring on Matic for the last ten to secure a draw?
 
VP89 said:
Yeah right - maybe Liverpool should have applied your logic with Klopp in the same stage of the progress
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I don't get the Klopp comparisons. Klopp was a world class manager already and had won the bundesliga and reached a CL final, smashing Real Madrid in the process - that buys a manager time, and rightly so. Ralf is more of a football ***********, his track record as manager is average at best so I dont see a reason to compare the two.
 
MUFC OK said:
I don't get the Klopp comparisons. Klopp was a world class manager already and had won the bundesliga and reached a CL final, smashing Real Madrid in the process. Ralf is more of a football ***********, his track record as manager is average at best so I dont see a reason to compare the two.
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The comparison is important because they are both managers of a similar philosophy and playing style, but more importantly you must consider, if it took Klopp so long to make such an impact (and a title winner etc.), why are you writing Ralf off so quickly?

Surely if it takes a world class manager this long, it would take a good manager the same or longer? It's evident your expectations needed to be in check.
 
6 wins out of 12, check my first post about Ralf. Told everyone.

This interim appointment will end in tears.
 
MasterCode said:
6 wins out of 12, check my first post about Ralf. Told everyone.

This interim appointment will end in tears.
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Even those who are supporters of his work knew this would be up and down. No one in the majority thought its going to be a consistent upside.
 
Rangnick is 3rd rate, he always was, he is at the same level as Fat Sam or Warnock. In fact his tactics look very similar. He is not the answer and his player management is awful.
 
VP89 said:
The comparison is important because they are both managers of a similar philosophy and playing style, but more importantly you must consider, if it took Klopp so long to make such an impact (and a title winner etc.), why are you writing Ralf off so quickly?

Surely if it takes a world class manager this long, it would take a good manager the same or longer? It's evident your expectations needed to be in check.
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We don't have the past evidence that Ralf is able to bring that, besides he's here for 6 months so should we blindly give him 3 years or more in the hope it starts to work?

Ten Hag is the best long term option but he's more Pep than Klopp in his philosophy.
 
I think everyone needs to take a step back and accept that this squad is simply never going to work. It just doesn't gel together.

Rangnick as an interim manager with no signings has very limited control over that, there's not really much he can do.

This season was written off when the board dithered and stuck with Ole for far too long, now we're back in a rebuilding process that really can't start until the summer.

I think we'll carry on until the end of the season, winning about 1 in 3 games (at best), and then we have to hope and pray they have a great plan in place...
 
MUFC OK said:
We don't have the past evidence that Ralf is able to bring that, besides he's here for 6 months so should we blindly give him 3 years or more in the hope it starts to work?

Ten Hag is the best long term option but he's more Pep than Klopp in his philosophy.
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Ten Hag is completely unproven in a top league. I'm confused at how you can just put all your eggs in his basket and label him as the best "long term" option too. It sounds so knee jerk.

That said, we look at Rangnicks improvement in performances and judge. The performances are a ton better of late, its just a matter of taking chances. Thats not on Rangnick. Its bizarre you're complaining about him given how the games have gone.
 
UnsungHero said:
I think everyone needs to take a step back and accept that this squad is simply never going to work. It just doesn't gel together.

Rangnick as an interim manager with no signings has very limited control over that, there's not really much he can do.

This season was written off when the board dithered and stuck with Ole for far too long, now we're back in a rebuilding process that really can't start until the summer.

I think we'll carry on until the end of the season, winning about 1 in 3 games (at best), and then we have to hope and pray they have a great plan in place...
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This is a good summary of our plight right now and the bit in bold is so true.

Once we get knocked out of the CL by Atletico, we can pull the curtain on this god forsaken season and we should immediately begin planning for next season.
 
Some of you have lost your minds.

This is what Rangnick inherited

1) No player on form - apart from De Gea. He will be the player of the season which says everything. Just some players have played well in fits and spurts but nowhere near consistent high level standard and that includes Ronaldo and players like Bruno. If you rated our players it would be something like - Good season - De Gea/ Ok season - Varane, McTomminay, Fred, Dalot, Telles, Lindelof, Elanga Bad Season - Maguire, Bruno, Rashford, Ronaldo(for the standards he should hit), Sancho(not there yet). Thats a rough guide but basically a load of sht/average season performances
2) The whole Greenwood situation
3) The whole dressing room revolt
4) The results. Getting absolutely battered by the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Watford etc
5) 0 Confidence
6) Players pissed off because they want out or not getting games - Pogba, Lingard, DVB, Martial, Henderson
7) Completely unbalanced team. Bloated squad. Loads of deadwood
8) No willingness to work hard. We were getting outrun by everyone. Ralf tried to get them to press and they couldnt be arsed.
9) Whole covid issue - yes applies to all teams but when you come in mid way through a season this is exacerbated
10) Leaks to the press every week complaining about everything
11) Players deciding they need a holiday after a holiday and then complaining to the press when the manager calls them out and apparently half the dressing room siding with that player
12) Dealing with Ronaldo - Not playing well enough but will throw hissy fits when subbed

Is there anything else? It just goes on and on. Has anyone seen anything like this because I haven't. I gave him an 8 out of 10 on the rating thread and people think Im crazy. But I just dont not know what the fk you expect him to do? People think Conte or any other manager would have been a magic fairy and sorted this sht out in 2 months are deluded.

Personally I would keep him on as manager because the thought of a Ten Haag coming in or even worse Poch scares the sht out of me because they will get eaten alive by the huge pile of steaming sht that is United these days. Im surprised Ralf hasn't lost his mind. He has handled everyone one of those situations with truth and dignity. He changed the system when it wasnt working. He has dropped big players when not performing. He has given youth a chance. He takes risks to try and win matches - throwing on a sht load of attackers. He has us playing well - better than Ole football. Yeah he has failed here and there - 4-2-2-2 was a mistake, subs are weird sometimes. But he is having to adjust real time to unexpected weird sht. Like how is he supposed to know that the players would refuse to press. How is he supposed to deal with Maguire our 80 mill captain being sht, with Ronaldo not playing well. With Rashford being sht. With Greenwood going fking mad. Its not so easy to say just drop them all and play the youth. Its an impossible job.
 
We are clearly playing better with Ralf, only issue is that we aren't taking our chances in front of goal...as soon as that switches we're good.
 
The club is a proper shit sandwich right now. I think Ralf can improve us but lots more needs to happen before we'll be challenging for honours. The players aren't right, the mentality isn't right, the recruitment isn't right it's basically all fecked.
 
I think our results are going to improve. You can see that the performances are better, and results generally follow as a consequence of performances. The one worry I have performance wise is that for the last two games, we seem to drop off quite a bit in the second half. That may be because players are now buying into the more intense brand of football, but lack the physical condition to keep it up for 90 minutes.
 
Anustart89 said:
I’m very surprised at how many can’t recognise how Ralf’s come in and taken over a team that hasn’t been coached for nigh on three years, and a squad that has been assembled without a specific tactic in mind (or while being unsuitable for the tactic that the previous manager wanted to play), and made us look like a team with some actual direction in less than three months (in the middle of a covid outbreak and matches being played twice a week). He’s made us into a team that’s actually creating chances and restricting the opposition’s chances to a minimum. Yeah, on paper the results over the past week are bad but we’ve performed so much better than previously and could’ve had seven or eight goals in those two games without even needing to be lucky and outperform our xG. This sort of underperformance relative to the chances we’re creating isn’t going to be sustained forever.
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Christ knows what he thinks about Harry Maguire. How fecking much? Are you mad?
 
SuperiorXI said:
The club is a proper shit sandwich right now. I think Ralf can improve us but lots more needs to happen before we'll be challenging for honours. The players aren't right, the mentality isn't right, the recruitment isn't right it's basically all fecked.
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They have to start listening to him. If we do not get CL, then forget about Rice. There will be other options. They have to get away from big money for average signings. Just ask Rice if he wants to come to us, if he says he want CL, then move on. Don't waste your time putting bigger and bigger bids in then still don't get him.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
They have to start listening to him. If we do not get CL, then forget about Rice. There will be other options. They have to get away from big money for average signings. Just ask Rice if he wants to come to us, if he says he want CL, then move on. Don't waste your time putting bigger and bigger bids in then still don't get him.
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Of course there is. Players like Rice are very high risk signings, I don't see why we don't use our supposedly humongous scouting network? I mean what are they doing picking their nose and taking home a fat wedge?
 
SuperiorXI said:
Of course there is. Players like Rice are very high risk signings, I don't see why we don't use our supposedly humongous scouting network? I mean what are they doing picking their nose and taking home a fat wedge?
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Would love Forest to get up and let Garner have another season there to see how he copes, otherwise a PL loan. He has been getting game time and Steve Cooper is a good coach and no mug regarding talent. Just worry if it isn't Cooper another manager might not risk him. Being out on loan has really worked for him, it doesn't for everybody.
 
Circa 70 shots on goal over 2 games and much improved play all around. Individual mistakes (Maguire) and poor finishing is what is costing us... Ralf has us playing better and I wouldn't be against giving him another season with the option of ETH or Luis Enrique after that.
 
UpWithRivers said:
Some of you have lost your minds.

This is what Rangnick inherited

1) No player on form - apart from De Gea. He will be the player of the season which says everything. Just some players have played well in fits and spurts but nowhere near consistent high level standard and that includes Ronaldo and players like Bruno. If you rated our players it would be something like - Good season - De Gea/ Ok season - Varane, McTomminay, Fred, Dalot, Telles, Lindelof, Elanga Bad Season - Maguire, Bruno, Rashford, Ronaldo(for the standards he should hit), Sancho(not there yet). Thats a rough guide but basically a load of sht/average season performances
2) The whole Greenwood situation
3) The whole dressing room revolt
4) The results. Getting absolutely battered by the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Watford etc
5) 0 Confidence
6) Players pissed off because they want out or not getting games - Pogba, Lingard, DVB, Martial, Henderson
7) Completely unbalanced team. Bloated squad. Loads of deadwood
8) No willingness to work hard. We were getting outrun by everyone. Ralf tried to get them to press and they couldnt be arsed.
9) Whole covid issue - yes applies to all teams but when you come in mid way through a season this is exacerbated
10) Leaks to the press every week complaining about everything
11) Players deciding they need a holiday after a holiday and then complaining to the press when the manager calls them out and apparently half the dressing room siding with that player
12) Dealing with Ronaldo - Not playing well enough but will throw hissy fits when subbed

Is there anything else? It just goes on and on. Has anyone seen anything like this because I haven't. I gave him an 8 out of 10 on the rating thread and people think Im crazy. But I just dont not know what the fk you expect him to do? People think Conte or any other manager would have been a magic fairy and sorted this sht out in 2 months are deluded.

Personally I would keep him on as manager because the thought of a Ten Haag coming in or even worse Poch scares the sht out of me because they will get eaten alive by the huge pile of steaming sht that is United these days. Im surprised Ralf hasn't lost his mind. He has handled everyone one of those situations with truth and dignity. He changed the system when it wasnt working. He has dropped big players when not performing. He has given youth a chance. He takes risks to try and win matches - throwing on a sht load of attackers. He has us playing well - better than Ole football. Yeah he has failed here and there - 4-2-2-2 was a mistake, subs are weird sometimes. But he is having to adjust real time to unexpected weird sht. Like how is he supposed to know that the players would refuse to press. How is he supposed to deal with Maguire our 80 mill captain being sht, with Ronaldo not playing well. With Rashford being sht. With Greenwood going fking mad. Its not so easy to say just drop them all and play the youth. Its an impossible job.
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Basically this.

Every 2 weeks there’s like a new crisis that rarely happens in football but all of it happens under one roof.

It’s insane but kudos to him for actually getting us to play football in the time he’s been here along with dealing with our most talented youth player going off the rail, senior players in open defiance on social media and a COVID outbreak which shut the whole team down for two weeks.
 
We're playing much better when you consider some of the dross we regularly served up.

He's come into the toughest situation post-SAF and has already dealt with so many issues off the field.

He's not a savior as a manager, but he's done a decent job.
 
I think some need to get down to Spec Savers if they can't see progress on the field. There is a definite structure under Ralf that to be fair took it's time to take shape. He's doing it how any top club should do it. A defined style of play and structure with the players that complement that structure.

If we keep just buying players and hoping that they build a cohesive system on the pitch then it will never work. It felt like under Ole the recruitment process was we need a RW or RB or CB but without any thought of the kind of RW we need e.g. Great at 1 on 1's or a high pressing winger etc. A lot of this has been driven by Woodward and the Glazers with their trophy signings.

Immediate progress I can see is a real cohesive structure and a team that can absorb pressure but then break very quickly. Big Decisions being made on Big Ego's. Patterns of play being called out publicly rather than players thrown under the bus like Jose. A marauding RB in Dalot who is causing chaos (far from the finished article). Sancho finally showing glimpses of what he can do in a high press team.

The team is not without it's fault's. I don't massively like calling players out but Maguire is looking a bit of a dud in this system and showing no signs of improvement, maybe he will. An aged forward line that with the benefit of hindsight was a lot more hit and hope than long term planning. More so when you see how LFC are managing for the future with Diaz, Jota as long term replacements for Mane, Salah, Frimino. However with RR going upstairs to guide on the building for the future and hopefully a younger dynamic mgr like Ten Haag coming in, there is reasons to be optimistic.
 
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