Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Rome wasn't built in a day. This is going to take a while. We are not really a team.
 
I cannot understand this 4222 bollocks. Too many players out of position. Zero width. Zero creativity. Zero defensive stability.

There’s a reason every top manager uses a variation of the 433.
 
Reditus said:
I underestimated us. I thought it might have taken to about mid January before supporters started to turn on him
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I think some fans were so entrenched in the idea Solskjaer was the start and end of all our problems they expected us to batter everyone once he was replaced. Big shock incoming
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
We've just been played off the park Vs Norwich and Newcastle. We got 4 PTS but didn't really deserve any.

This isn't a new manager bounce. It's an absolute mess. He's still picking all the same players who everyone wanted dropped.
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Perhaps he wants to judge those players for himself after training them to play a certain way and with a set of instructions. If they're too thick or lack the ability to carry it out he'll bench them, or advise to the board they need to be replaced.

I get the impression people were expecting him to come in and instantly make wholesale changes, perhaps replacing half the first team with u23s? I don't know, but it's all unrealistic and patience is needed. Not a single person on this planet could fix our mess of a team within a month.
 
Ideally an interim makes tweaks but we’ve appointed one who wants to rip everything up. I believe that is what is required but it’s also going to be painful and probably won’t be enough to finish in the top four.
 
crossy1686 said:
Refreshing, but it’s not like he can drop players who don’t perform for players who don’t want to be here. Going to end up fielding the U21’s
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Id rather he do that, some of the players in our first team need a serious wake up call
 
I blame Maguire. He slows down tempo far too often. Varane as well. At least Varane is still coming back from injury,

Out main enemy is also giving the ball away too cheaply. That can’t be coached. It’s instinct.
 
crossy1686 said:
Refreshing, but it’s not like he can drop players who don’t perform for players who don’t want to be here. Going to end up fielding the U21’s
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He has to take some actions though. He would have better success managing youth players and players like Cavani. We have some prima donnas and some absolute dross.
 
He needs to give up on this 4--2-2-2. It doesn't suit our squad at all.
 
GledTheRed said:
Same problem Conte had with spurs apparently.

Good manages get a tune out of players, Klopps reserves beat Leicesters first team last week.

We have plenty of good players who all look clueless.
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Rangnick turned players 1/3rd as talented into pressing machines at every other club he's been at. These players are just being exposed, there's nowhere left for them to hide, they've got every manager they've ever had at United sacked. Everyone can see them for exactly what they are. Solskjaer got these jokers to 2nd last season, they just downed tools like children this season, and likely won't pick up their tools until they've left the club or things get easy for them again.
 
Polar said:
Last ten (against Newcastle) was chaos. We played and ran back and forth like a championship team. Wasn’t much class or control. Why didn’t we calm down instead of jazzing things up and be part of Newcastle’s hit and run effort kind of play. Our players ran like headless chicken, resulting in giga space for Newcastle counter play.
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The irony is that ‘control’ is all Ragnick was talking about in his first press conference and how we needed to control games better
 
crossy1686 said:
I think some fans were so entrenched in the idea Solskjaer was the start and end of all our problems they expected us to batter everyone once he was replaced. Big shock incoming
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It's going to take ages.
 
It worries me that he refused to admit that the system could have been at fault in that interview then. But it's a little early to be panicking and rating him. But it's not been a great start.
 
Rangnick confirmed it was a 4-1-3-2 formation in the second half. Hope we never see that again (aside from final 10/15 mins). It was pure choas and leaves the CM with too much to do.
 
AshRK said:


At least he is honest.
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Pretty much what i was thinking during the game. We werent controlling the match. We need someone like Verrati in MF i feel. Someone who can link the defence to the forwards.

There were signs like picking out the winger in space and playing it forward in between the lines. But we didnt do it enough because we had such poor control of the game.

Need a much better performance in thursday.
 
crossy1686 said:
Well Bruno, Ronaldo and Sancho aren’t bad players but we need more balance. Our weak areas are super weak so it doesn’t matter where we’re good.
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3 players have spending all that money and all the praise for building the foundations. Ronaldo is only here for a year more at best, Sancho so far doesn't look like a good fit for us as a club, even though he's a good player and Bruno has now hit the stage that I was worried about, when goals and assists dry up, what do you have overall with him? Bruno least of our issues now, but should have had stronger foundations in place.
 
Has he ever been anything more than a midtable manager? Don't know where the hell all the optimism stems from. He keeps picking the same below average technical players, and he seems to have a thing for Alex fecking Telles.
 
He is interim manager for a reason. He isn't bad but he isn't among the top 10 coaches in Europe I would say.

To be fair to him though, it's hard to implement a pressing style if you have a bunch of whiny prima donnas who sulk, complain and moan to the ref every time they lose the ball. With Gegenpressing taking risks and losing the ball is allowed, what isn't allowed is to not counter press the second you lost the ball and unfortunately very few of our players have the mindset required to play this style of football.

We are still paying the price for at least 8 years of horrendous squad building that brought us to this stage, and I'm afraid Rangnick won't fix that in his 8 months he has at this club.
 
I'll just reiterate what I said when he came here: Ralf is *probably* not THE guy that's going to take us to the promised land. His history as a manager is ok by European standard but not top tier like a Klopp. Without that "hypeman" connection, pretty much no Redcafe posters would be the least bit excited about Ralf coming here.

The reason so many are so estatic about a guy they've rarely or never heard about before a Ole replacement was announced is beacuse he's been named as the inspiration of big name managers who have all surpassed their inspiration by a huge margin. Unless you happen to have followed the Bundesliga some 15 years ago, chances are you'd miss Ralf Ragnicks existence entirely before he came her.

Ragnicks primarily role here is still to help us find the new manager, and introduce something new at the second half in the season to a squad who aren't able to mesh like they did the previous season for whatever reason. Of course he's a wealth of knowledge, speaks with authority and commands a lot of respect. I'd love for him to be a success here, but unless the players start playing well on a personal level, nothing he does is going to have any impact.

"Gegenpress" is extremely reliant on the forward line pressing the defenders immediately when they get the ball as to force a defensive mistake, coupled with a zealous dedicatin to positional play for the rest of the team bothin offense and defense. In short it means to run a lot. A lot a lot.

Without that, the system doesnt work and the attackers cant force the mistakes the system relies on.

That being said, 1-1 against a shocking Newcastle is all on the boys, they let themselves down today.
 
Some people honestly think he could undo the teachings of Ole in 4 games with one game preparation being ripped apart by covid?

We played like this under Ole, its the players comfort blanket when the tough gets going, they resort to sideways and backwards passing because its easy to do and doesn't require an ounce of responsibility to be taken. Our captain himself is the main fecking culprit of it, so what chance do we have of anything progressive happening?!

These performances are ingrained into the players mindset, Rangnick is attempting to undo that and instill his workings but I'm afraid 6 months won't be enough.

Time to look at the players first and foremost instead of the manager, the lack of responsibility being taken in their individual performances is startling.
 
I believe Ragnick is the right man at the right place. His personality and style of football is perfect to identify players we have to get rid before the permanent manager arrives. We obviously need players who are very responsive to instructions.
 
It has only been three games in the PL.

We need a MF like Veratti who can dictate the play. And link the defence to attack. With Pogba going we need another MF then.
 
Red Rash said:
Come on.... Are people really turning on Rangnick already?

Ok the performance was shocking but we had those kind of performances under Ole many times this season.

Seeing the post match reaction it is clear Rangnick doesn't accept that kind of performance and I'm sure heads will roll and some players will get dropped for the next game.

The style of play Rangnick wants can't be drilled overnight and will take time to implement.
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I'm not turning on him, I suspected when we got him that he was a knee jerk solution from the board based on what they thought the fans would like more than because this was the plan for the type of football they want us to play or what we're suited for. I've been hoping to see something to prove me wrong and so far it's only got worse really as the games have progressed. These aren't hard games and I expect more from a team that actually played quite well against Arsenal not too long ago.

Do you honestly think the plan all along from the board was to try to go to this style of football if Ole failed? Why did we sign Ronaldo for example if that was the plan? High energy, high press, righto here's a 36 year old striker.
 
He's a good manager, but nobody ever said he's a top manager. He's just here to laid a groundwork so we can then hire a top manager.
 
RonaldoVII said:
Rangnick will bollock the players publicly and privately. That is the difference. Solskjaer would've said we fought well, got the equaliser and had good chances to win it. Rangnick won't settle for this mediocrity. Sure, there's questions over tactics but he's got a 6 month job to find out who will work for the club and who needs shipping on.
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Yes I have a feeling Rangnik will make changes now. Problem is, and Klopp said this, its a huge task to make impact with all the games coming thick and fast.

He had 16 days off but a bulk of that was virtual videos to get players to understand their roles remotely.
 
Depends what you mean by "rate him".

This is a guy whose reputation is in a large part built on his work in roles other than that of manager. So in terms of having him at the club over the coming years in a capacity beyond that of manager, sure I rate him.

As a manager though obviously we shouldn't particularly rate him. It's not like he's someone anyone was crying out for as a permanent manager, for example. He's not all that good. But then that's why he's only the interim manager. And even as interim manager, he hasn't had much chance to improve things yet so there's no reason to think he wasn't a good appointment in those terms either.

So yeah, I rate him highly for what he is. But what he is isn't a top class manager.
 
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Doesn`t look good that he can`t make in game adjustments to correct what`s going wrong. We have been awful for the full 90 against 2 of the weakest teams in the league.

What the hell happened in those first 25 minutes against Palace that we can`t even get close to now?
 
Turnip said:
It worries me that he refused to admit that the system could have been at fault in that interview then. But it's a little early to be panicking and rating him. But it's not been a great start.
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Why should he admit that?
 
There is clearly a different look to the play but it’s also breaking down and it is still really careless.

How much training have we had since the last game? How many of the players had covid? We simply don’t know and so I’m happy to wait for another few games to see if we can show some progress.
 
Gordon S said:
Doesn`t look good that he can`t make in game adjustments to correct what`s going wrong. We have been awful for the full 90 against 2 of the weakest teams in the league.

What the hell happened in those first 25 minutes against Palace that we can`t even get close to now?
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I feel he was never going to change the system that hes worked so far. Nor would Tuchel and nor would Klopp early on in their times with the clubs. They would tweak personnel in game but keep with the system they've trained on.
 
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