Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Westerkerk said:
I read Gabby Agbonlahor said on ShoutSport we are no different under Rangnik and is yet to be impressed... yet only recently I also heard him talking about how managers should be getting more time...

I shouldn't be shocked anymore at how these ex footballers keep bagging jobs where they get paid to speak, but I constantly am.
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Their job is to take nothing and turn it into something. People want news about United today, then again tomorrow and again the next day. Can’t just keep telling readers they need to be patient. And instead of paying actually informed football experts a fair fee to analyze the games, they get recognizable names to sling nonsense on the cheap.

Personally I find the commentators terribly distracting, as they don’t just call the games but interject all manner of “narratives”.
 
Beans said:
Is everyone either an Ole-inner or Ole-outer by definition, or are these fringe groups few of us would identify with?
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I think it was so clear to see that Ole was out of his depth here that everyone was and is pretty much an Ole inner or outer. Most people could see he was out of his depth and were ole-out. The rest were blinded by loyalty / happy thoughts and were ole-inners.

there couldn't be a middle ground because even the most reasonable of people would have seen that ole needed to go for the team to have a chance to become great again
 
Eli Zee said:
I think it was so clear to see that Ole was out of his depth here that everyone was and is pretty much an Ole inner or outer. Most people could see he was out of his depth and were ole-out. The rest were blinded by loyalty / happy thoughts and were ole-inners.

there couldn't be a middle ground because even the most reasonable of people would have seen that ole needed to go for the team to have a chance to become great again
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The phrase makes it sound, to me, like you're an extremist if you are in either camp. Otherwise it's pretty ridiculous for @Amassd to say "ummm wonder how long it'll be before the weird cult of Ole-outers stop blaming every bad performance under Rangnick and the next permanent manager on Ole".

Surely he's not saying everyone who thinks Ole needed to be replaced is blaming bad performances under Ralf on Ole? Only those who have an agenda against Ole. I guess he would say they just happen to be right that he needed replacing.
 
Beans said:
Is everyone either an Ole-inner or Ole-outer by definition, or are these fringe groups few of us would identify with?
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There was a small section of fans who didn't subscribe to either party because the cringe-monsters on both sides became unbearable, instead choosing to remain firmly down the middle so as not to be associated with said cringers. They were known as 'Ole Inbetweeners'.

I happened to be one of those Ole inbetweeners, and it was a glorious time :drool:
 
We all know that if Tony will leave in a few months and potentially Pogba, Donny and Jesse - Ralf will need more than 1 player
 
Di Maria's angel said:
This is hilarious considering Ole's bad performances were blamed on the toxicity left behind by Mourinho and the negative impact Jose had on our team (lack of fitness, park the bus play style, bad transfers). Can't have it both ways.
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I also don't know how anyone can still identify as an Ole-inner or call others ole-outers after he proved he wasn't good enough and got sacked. The so called outers are just people who had enough foresight to see a talent-reliant tactically-challenged lower league manager wasn't going to be the success story we were promised even after being given time and a warchest of funds.

They are no longer just haters. He got sacked, that's a fact, he won nothing, that is also a fact, he didn't peak higher than the previous manager by most objective metrics, that is a fact as well. He left us lower in the table than he met us. Why would anyone still call themself an 'inner' at this point? I like to imagine we all support the club not Ole but that might be an assumption for some.
 
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Eli Zee said:
I think it was so clear to see that Ole was out of his depth here that everyone was and is pretty much an Ole inner or outer. Most people could see he was out of his depth and were ole-out. The rest were blinded by loyalty / happy thoughts and were ole-inners.

there couldn't be a middle ground because even the most reasonable of people would have seen that ole needed to go for the team to have a chance to become great again
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Of course there is middle ground!

You have the two extremes

1.those who were Ole out as soon as he was in and called him a P E teacher

2. those who were ole in forever and accused anyone who criticised a blasphemer because he is a legend

….and then you have everyone in between who hoped he would do well, had reservations but backed him for some of his reign and at some point thought he had taken us as far as he could.

The only difference is at what in time they changed from ‘give him time’ to ‘time
is up’.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
This is hilarious considering Ole's bad performances were blamed on the toxicity left behind by Mourinho and the negative impact Jose had on our team (lack of fitness, park the bus play style, bad transfers). Can't have it both ways.
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That's absurd. It is of course perfectly possible that Mourinho left behind toxicity but that Ole didn't. Why on earth would that necessarily be the same in both cases?

Indeed, it seems pretty obvious that it is not. No reasonably balanced commentator is arguing that the squad is in need of wholesale reconstruction now in the way that it was when Ole took over. No reasonably balanced commentator dispute that the club's developed in a positive direction since Ole took over. And the style of play Rangnick is instituting isn't a fundamental shift the way it was post-Mourinho, when we tried to move from reactive football to a more direct attacking style. On the contrary, there's a fundamental continuity. We're just hoping that Rangnick can make it work better, primarily by getting more structure into place. Also, physical conditioning was a very real problem after Mourinho, in a way it is not now. It was a clear focus under OGS.
 
justsomebloke said:
That's absurd. It is of course perfectly possible that Mourinho left behind toxicity but that Ole didn't. Why on earth would that necessarily be the same in both cases?

Indeed, it seems pretty obvious that it is not. No reasonably balanced commentator is arguing that the squad is in need of wholesale reconstruction now in the way that it was when Ole took over. No reasonably balanced commentator dispute that the club's developed in a positive direction since Ole took over. And the style of play Rangnick is instituting isn't a fundamental shift the way it was post-Mourinho, when we tried to move from reactive football to a more direct attacking style. On the contrary, there's a fundamental continuity. We're just hoping that Rangnick can make it work better, primarily by getting more structure into place. Also, physical conditioning was a very real problem after Mourinho, in a way it is not now. It was a clear focus under OGS.
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Don't agree at all. Ole managed to cause quite a few issues himself. Isolating half the squad could be perceived as toxic in some ways - Jose had a far more aggressive (and stupid) way of throwing players under the bus, Ole would just never play those he didn't trust.

Positive direction under Ole? Is that why we were losing left, right and center to absolute everyone? Anyway, I'm relieved he's gone and clearly the foundation he left behind is non-existent given we're still showing signs of the turd football we played under him. Once we get to the core of the rot left behind, I'm 100% sure Rangnick can finally have us moving in the right direction.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Don't agree at all. Ole managed to cause quite a few issues himself. Isolating half the squad could be perceived as toxic in some ways - Jose had a far more aggressive (and stupid) way of throwing players under the bus, Ole would just never play those he didn't trust.

Positive direction under Ole? Is that why we were losing left, right and center to absolute everyone? Anyway, I'm relieved he's gone and clearly the foundation he left behind is non-existent given we're still showing signs of the turd football we played under him. Once we get to the core of the rot left behind, I'm 100% sure Rangnick can finally have us moving in the right direction.
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Spot on. You don't need a train wreck like Jose to spoil things. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Instead of buying AWB, Maguire, DVB, Ole could have bought a WC midfield player.
I really don't understand what he actually did for three years at Manchester United now? I mean he doesn't coach and he doesn't buy players . If it's a dud then it's Woody who buys them. He hardly does any on match day either.
RR is certainly doing a lot more even in two games
 
Foxbatt said:
Spot on. You don't need a train wreck like Jose to spoil things. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Instead of buying AWB, Maguire, DVB, Ole could have bought a WC midfield player.
I really don't understand what he actually did for three years at Manchester United now? I mean he doesn't coach and he doesn't buy players . If it's a dud then it's Woody who buys them. He hardly does any on match day either.
RR is certainly doing a lot more even in two games
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Everything is well and good in hindsight.

I actually didn't see anyone complain when we bought AWB, why? we were in desperate need of a RB for years. It really frustrates me when fans forget it all and come out with such statements. We needed a CB, at that time, it was Maguire or De Ligt, Maguire, as everyone agreed was overpriced but was one of our better players last season.

Okay, Donny he got wrong but I can;'t think or one manager, I bet you can't tell me one either that gets 100% signings right.

Well, 3 years he did nothing yet, we finished in CL spaces 2 times in a row for the first time since SAF, finished above Klopp, Chelsea and Rodgers who people wanted.

He leaves the squad in a better place than he found it.

We all knew the next step was to challenge and he couldn't do it, does not mean he did a nothing job for 3 years.
 
romufc said:
Everything is well and good in hindsight.

I actually didn't see anyone complain when we bought AWB, why? we were in desperate need of a RB for years. It really frustrates me when fans forget it all and come out with such statements. We needed a CB, at that time, it was Maguire or De Ligt, Maguire, as everyone agreed was overpriced but was one of our better players last season.

Okay, Donny he got wrong but I can;'t think or one manager, I bet you can't tell me one either that gets 100% signings right.

Well, 3 years he did nothing yet, we finished in CL spaces 2 times in a row for the first time since SAF, finished above Klopp, Chelsea and Rodgers who people wanted.

He leaves the squad in a better place than he found it.

We all knew the next step was to challenge and he couldn't do it, does not mean he did a nothing job for 3 years.
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Are you sure because there were plenty of posters who weren't convinced about AWB and Maguire's quality and never wanted them at United.
 
romufc said:
He leaves the squad in a better place than he found it.
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Jose couldn't have done that much damage to the squad since the only Mourinho signing Ole sold worth talking about was Lukaku, and Sanchez if you care to talk about him. It doesn't take a 4 year rebuild to get over those 2 players. That line-up from the PSG away tie, De Gea, Baily, Lindelof, Shaw, McTominay, Fred, Rashford & Greenwood and Dalot off the bench, Pereira still on our books, Pogba was suspended, Matic, Lingard, Martial injured. It's hardly unrecognisable.

And of the other players in that line-up Ole made Young captain and gave him a new contract!
 
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romufc said:
Everything is well and good in hindsight.

I actually didn't see anyone complain when we bought AWB, why? we were in desperate need of a RB for years. It really frustrates me when fans forget it all and come out with such statements. We needed a CB, at that time, it was Maguire or De Ligt, Maguire, as everyone agreed was overpriced but was one of our better players last season.

Okay, Donny he got wrong but I can;'t think or one manager, I bet you can't tell me one either that gets 100% signings right.

Well, 3 years he did nothing yet, we finished in CL spaces 2 times in a row for the first time since SAF, finished above Klopp, Chelsea and Rodgers who people wanted.

He leaves the squad in a better place than he found it.

We all knew the next step was to challenge and he couldn't do it, does not mean he did a nothing job for 3 years.
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That's not an achievement. What good was it anyway since we were relegated to the Europa league and would've been there this season too had it not been for Ronaldo's brilliance?

By those standards, we've actually been really good since SAF retired since we've finished in the top four on several occasions.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
I would recommend caution and bit of stepping back and waiting to see how it goes with RR.
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I'm not insinuating that he'll bring us great success in the next 6 months but rather we head in the right direction in the many aspect our previous managers have failed in.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Don't agree at all. Ole managed to cause quite a few issues himself. Isolating half the squad could be perceived as toxic in some ways - Jose had a far more aggressive (and stupid) way of throwing players under the bus, Ole would just never play those he didn't trust.

Positive direction under Ole? Is that why we were losing left, right and center to absolute everyone? Anyway, I'm relieved he's gone and clearly the foundation he left behind is non-existent given we're still showing signs of the turd football we played under him. Once we get to the core of the rot left behind, I'm 100% sure Rangnick can finally have us moving in the right direction.
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You clearly live in a world of ill-considered absolutes, where 100% certainties for which you have scant grounds abound.
 
eamosri said:
Interesting read hopefully he’s wrong.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socc...an-united-manager-ralf-rangnick-41151699.html
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Who is Roddy Collins?

Another perspective from Demba Ba who has seen him at closer quarters. https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews....-man-utd-chelsea-newcastle-united-1350777/amp

Who to listen to? Difficult choice. The ex footballer who's worked closely with him or Roddy Collins?

Don't get me wrong. Rangnick might not work out but that won't be because he is a "spoofer"
 
mav_9me said:
Who is Roddy Collins?
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Ixion said:
Jose couldn't have done that much damage to the squad since the only Mourinho signing Ole sold worth talking about was Lukaku, and Sanchez if you care to talk about him. It doesn't take a 4 year rebuild to get over those 2 players. That line-up from the PSG away tie, De Gea, Baily, Lindelof, Shaw, McTominay, Fred, Rashford & Greenwood and Dalot off the bench, Pereira still on our books, Pogba was suspended, Matic, Lingard, Martial injured. It's hardly unrecognisable.

And of the other players in that line-up Ole made Young captain and gave him a new contract!
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Thats quite funny, let me remind you a few things that went on.

Jose fell out with Pogba, Shaw, Martial, Rashford because Jose does that with players.

There is not point looking at the PSG line up because that was under Ole, lets look at Jose's last line up. This was the team Ole found when he came in.

Against Liverpool, DDG, Lindelof, Bailly, Darmian, Young, Dalot, Herrera, Matic, Rashford, Lingard, Lukau.

Compare the team now, are you saying there is no difference?

4 years? where do you get that from? Ole had 2 full seasons in charge not 4.

Ole made Maguire captain btw not Young. Again, I wonder where you making all these things up from?
 
gajender said:
Are you sure because there were plenty of posters who weren't convinced about AWB and Maguire's quality and never wanted them at United.
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There were also plenty who were really happy with the signing, saying finally we have a RB.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
That's not an achievement. What good was it anyway since we were relegated to the Europa league and would've been there this season too had it not been for Ronaldo's brilliance?

By those standards, we've actually been really good since SAF retired since we've finished in the top four on several occasions.
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So why are we playing the PL? We might as well forfeit every game this season once we hit 40 points, we aren't going to win it anyway.

Also, who cares? that is why you have Ronaldo in the team.

Is there an Asterix under SAF's last title? We won it because or RVP brilliance.
 
romufc said:
Thats quite funny, let me remind you a few things that went on.

Jose fell out with Pogba, Shaw, Martial, Rashford because Jose does that with players.

There is not point looking at the PSG line up because that was under Ole, lets look at Jose's last line up. This was the team Ole found when he came in.

Against Liverpool, DDG, Lindelof, Bailly, Darmian, Young, Dalot, Herrera, Matic, Rashford, Lingard, Lukau.

Compare the team now, are you saying there is no difference?

4 years? where do you get that from? Ole had 2 full seasons in charge not 4.

Ole made Maguire captain btw not Young. Again, I wonder where you making all these things up from?
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The point is the squad he inherited. Since the post I replied to specifically said SQUAD. So the players used and those not used against PSG is the squad Jose left behind and Ole inherited which we can see the majority of which is still here. Herrera and Darmian weren't signed by Jose so if you're saying they're shite then you're saying he inhertied shite also. Lukaku is the only one you can point at and say Jose's guy and Ole got rid of him.

4 years because Ole was here for 3 years with nothing won and we obviously aren't winning the league this year so he would have needed a minimum of 4+.

And yes, Ole made Young captain.

OLE SAYS YOUNG WILL BE NEW CLUB CAPTAIN
 
Ixion said:
The point is the squad he inherited. Since the post I replied to specifically said SQUAD. So the players used and those not used against PSG is the squad Jose left behind and Ole inherited which we can see the majority of which is still here. Herrera and Darmian weren't signed by Jose so if you're saying they're shite then you're saying he inhertied shite also. Lukaku is the only one you can point at and say Jose's guy and Ole got rid of him.

And yes, Ole made Young captain.

OLE SAYS YOUNG WILL BE NEW CLUB CAPTAIN
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No I am saying, the squad Rangnick inherits, is a much better squad than what Ole inherited, what is not to understand?

Its simple, is the squad Rangnick inherited better than what Ole inherited? Its a yes or no answer.

Also, show me where Ole had been here for 4 years?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...brahimovic-dropped-manchester-united-chelsea/

Young was already a captain before, Ole didn't say oh I am giving it to someone completely random.
 
Ixion said:
The point is the squad he inherited. Since the post I replied to specifically said SQUAD. So the players used and those not used against PSG is the squad Jose left behind and Ole inherited which we can see the majority of which is still here. Herrera and Darmian weren't signed by Jose so if you're saying they're shite then you're saying he inhertied shite also. Lukaku is the only one you can point at and say Jose's guy and Ole got rid of him.

4 years because Ole was here for 3 years with nothing won and we obviously aren't winning the league this year so he would have needed a minimum of 4+.

And yes, Ole made Young captain.

OLE SAYS YOUNG WILL BE NEW CLUB CAPTAIN
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The trouble is, Jose failed to make a single successful signing throughout his tenure, so the side Ole inherited from him was inefficient in terms of ability and low on morale due to the toxicity Jose created whilst engineering his escape from the club. That's why Woodward and Ole suggested it would take a minimum of 3 years to get the club back into a position where it could challenge once again.
 
romufc said:
No I am saying, the squad Rangnick inherits, is a much better squad than what Ole inherited, what is not to understand?

Its simple, is the squad Rangnick inherited better than what Ole inherited? Its a yes or no answer.

Also, show me where Ole had been here for 4 years?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...brahimovic-dropped-manchester-united-chelsea/

Young was already a captain before, Ole didn't say oh I am giving it to someone completely random.
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Ole literally came out and said Young is the club captain. It's right there on the official site, someone didn't make that decision for him.

And I said 4 years because Ole was here for 3, we are obviously not winning the League or CL this year so even if he'd remained he would have still needed next season to have anything to show for it which would have taken him to 4.5 years. So for Ole to recover from the horrors of Mourinho would have taken him 4.5 years.

I don't think you can say the squad is better when DDG, Shaw, Lindelof, Baily, Dalot, Fred, McTominay, Rashford, Greenwood, Mata, Pogba, Matic, Lingard, Martial are all part of the squad Ole inherited and those 14 players still to this day make up most of our matchday XI+Bench more often than not, its practically the same. Of the difference Cavani and Ronaldo might not even be here in 6 months, they are temporary solutions to a problem that needs solving, we had a better goals against record with Smalling than we do with Maguire, AWB has massive question marks over him and and VDB doesn't even play. Bruno is a good addition. Impossible to judge Sancho or Varane so far. We have also neglected the centre of midfield so that is a massive headache for the new manager.
 
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romufc said:
Everything is well and good in hindsight.

I actually didn't see anyone complain when we bought AWB, why? we were in desperate need of a RB for years. It really frustrates me when fans forget it all and come out with such statements. We needed a CB, at that time, it was Maguire or De Ligt, Maguire, as everyone agreed was overpriced but was one of our better players last season.

Okay, Donny he got wrong but I can;'t think or one manager, I bet you can't tell me one either that gets 100% signings right.

Well, 3 years he did nothing yet, we finished in CL spaces 2 times in a row for the first time since SAF, finished above Klopp, Chelsea and Rodgers who people wanted.

He leaves the squad in a better place than he found it.

We all knew the next step was to challenge and he couldn't do it, does not mean he did a nothing job for 3 years.
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I don't know why some keep repeating that last argument as if we were doing well just not title winning.

Both of them had problematic squads finished 2nd then imploded. He didn't just fall short he imploded just like Jose did. The strength of the squad seems a really odd argument in that context as if "yeah he imploded but he imploded with a really good squad" is some saving grace.
 
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