Ralf Rangnick | Austria manager

led_scholes said:
Why I was wrong? Because he couldnt convice Haaland and his family that he known for years and he was a mentor to come without a release clause, or he couldnt convice United that he was worth it even with a release clause? Or that he couldnt convince United even before Salsburg came that this kid was a generational talent, a team that he had convinced to spend the same amount (not event taking into account inflation) on Diouf? Ok you convinced me. Ole knew that Haaland was amazing but he has awful persuasion skills.
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Halaand said he want to emulate Zlatan's career, playing from club to club hence why he insisted on release clause, heck he even forced City to put release clause on him (BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT!)

"Haaland has a release clause that is worth €200 million. The contract comes into effect in 2024. However, the release clause is only valid for clubs outside of the (English) Premier League. According to The Athletic, the release clause of Haaland will decrease each year, upon activation in 2024."

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co... release clause,year, upon activation in 2024.

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even City who are winning things at the moment and managed by the best manager at this generation, agreed to his demand so blame the club for the lack of hindsight where we should agree to put release clause for him in 2019.

led_scholes said:
However, he managed to convice United that AWB was worth 55 millions :lol:
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Why are you laughing at the most consistent player we have under ETH?

tomaldinho1 said:
You get by posting the correct timeline you have proven yourself incorrect? You said Ole proposed Haaland twice (see the timelines we agree on) but the club never acted which you yourself disprove re Salzburg and release clause. Not sure why this has taken so long.
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which part of my post that is incorrect?
 
garelo said:
Halaand said he want to emulate Zlatan's career, playing from club to club hence why he insisted on release clause, heck he even forced City to put release clause on him (BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT!)

"Haaland has a release clause that is worth €200 million. The contract comes into effect in 2024. However, the release clause is only valid for clubs outside of the (English) Premier League. According to The Athletic, the release clause of Haaland will decrease each year, upon activation in 2024."

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co... release clause,year, upon activation in 2024.

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even City who are winning things at the moment and managed by the best manager at this generation, agreed to his demand so blame the club for the lack of hindsight where we should agree to put release clause for him in 2019.



Why are you laughing at the most consistent player we have under ETH?



which part of my post that is incorrect?
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How does the fact that Haaland has a release clause with city changes the fact that Ole was unable to convince the family and the club to buy him?

Yes AWB is consistent in being okayis. Don't disagree with this. Spending 55 on an average RB who is a specialist in few things is my issue.
 
led_scholes said:
How does the fact that Haaland has a release clause with city changes the fact that Ole was unable to convince the family and the club to buy him?

Yes AWB is consistent in being okayis. Don't disagree with this. Spending 55 on an average RB who is a specialist in few things is my issue.
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You know how his dad played for Leeds and City?. Does that not mean much in your analysis of the transfer move to Manchester City?.
 
Rampant Red Rodriguez said:
You know how his dad played for Leeds and City?. Does that not mean much in your analysis of the transfer move to Manchester City?.
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I am talking about the transfer to Salszubrg and to Dortmund. And I doubt that his father would hamper his future career due to him playing to Leeds and City 20 years ago.
 
led_scholes said:
I am talking about the transfer to Salszubrg and to Dortmund. And I doubt that his father would hamper his future career due to him playing to Leeds and City 20 years ago.
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We didn't want to put a release clause in. What's so hard to understand about that? That was the only hold up in the move.
 
led_scholes said:
I am talking about the transfer to Salszubrg and to Dortmund. And I doubt that his father would hamper his future career due to him playing to Leeds and City 20 years ago.
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OK. So how about how about his dad being his agent before Raiola. And if a club like Manchester United comes in for you, then I'd expect other teams are in there too. So it gives confidence to the decision to refuse to move to Utd.
 
Howl said:
We didn't want to put a release clause in. What's so hard to understand about that? That was the only hold up in the move.
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Whats so hard for you to understand that Ole recommended Diouf as an amazing player and we bought him (as we did with Pellistri and others), and when he suggested Haaland (when in Molde) we didnt. Ole has proved that he cant judge a players talent or potential. Thus, its easy to assume that when he suggested Haaland was just a vague call. Similarly, it is also plausible that he highly recommended Haaland, but our scouting team failed to understand his talent. Seeing Ole's managerial career, and our scouts' questionable work, I believe that the truth is in the middle; both failed to understand Haaland's potential till it was too late.
 
Blood Mage said:
He might be a crap manager but this guy spoke facts about the state of the club and you lot hated him for it.
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That was his problem though, he was hired to be the first team manager. A month in he realized he was out of his depth and he couldn't even be arsed trying to motivate the team so he just started talking shit about them and the club in press conferences.

Pretty unprofessional if we're being honest.
 
The Mitcher said:
It was the other way round. He threw them under the bus every chance he got and didn't even bother to manage them properly and STILL expected a job after failing in his one task, to stablize the team and get results.
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Yep and the fact Rangnick couldn't recognise that Rashford's best position was on the left and virtually refused to play him there reflects poorly on his judgement of players.
 
led_scholes said:
Whats so hard for you to understand that Ole recommended Diouf as an amazing player and we bought him (as we did with Pellistri and others), and when he suggested Haaland (when in Molde) we didnt. Ole has proved that he cant judge a players talent or potential. Thus, its easy to assume that when he suggested Haaland was just a vague call. Similarly, it is also plausible that he highly recommended Haaland, but our scouting team failed to understand his talent. Seeing Ole's managerial career, and our scouts' questionable work, I believe that the truth is in the middle; both failed to understand Haaland's potential till it was too late.
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None of what you say is relevant when the only reason we didn't sign him is due to the release clause. However, if you were talking about when we were recommended him at age ~17 then sure you could say we didn't believe in his potential, but you mentioned when he moved from Salzburg to Dortmund, so we know the deal broke down over the release clause. Which, by the way, is completely understandable on our part. He most likely would have moved by now had we signed him in 2019 so it's all a moot argument over if we should have signed him or not.
 
AneRu said:
You are judging his effectiveness as a PL manager, a job he should have never got and the Executives whose infallibility you are touting now should have been made to pay for that decision, and justifying his failure in that role as a reason to deny him the chance to do what he is really good at? Were all those he pissed off, executives and players, innocent of what he accused them off? If not so you are supporting the immaturity and egoism of people who put us in this very place, justifying the jettisoning of someone who could have helped just because he bruised a few ego of people who probably deserved much worse.
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I get where lot of opinions come from, but the way the world work is the owners hold majority shares and that mean they decide. Pretty sure noone expected wonders from Rangnick, other than a stabilized top4 finish as manager and a head start on gegenpress fundamentals, but the man literally was using media to stir shit right from the get go riling up fans players and inciting a media frenzy. If you plan on a proposition of restructuring and selling 10 players you don't devalue them mid season by saying they are shit and antagonize them, that kinda makes the rebuild harder (??). You make the best of what you have mid season and you execute the plan with the club away from British media behind the scenes. People can argue all they like about Glazers this or that but they OWN us and their prerogative is to not have an impulse-disturbed Ragnick devalue entire roster, fan the flames of anger publicly AND pay him to hamstring us like he did by means of demoralization and miss top4. What good does that behavior even do to the squad and only make it harder to reach top 4 and in essence harder to restructure and recruit due to no UCL. How this simple fact eludes the man's apologists is perplexing. Noone was under impression we were a healthy club so he didn't really expose anything people or club didn’t know. My buck is we gave him a contract he could exploit and move on. He came, he took a dump, he laughed all the way to the bank. He will always be in our history books... ...as our 5th worst coach on metrics.
 
garelo said:
Halaand said he want to emulate Zlatan's career, playing from club to club hence why he insisted on release clause, heck he even forced City to put release clause on him (BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT!)

"Haaland has a release clause that is worth €200 million. The contract comes into effect in 2024. However, the release clause is only valid for clubs outside of the (English) Premier League. According to The Athletic, the release clause of Haaland will decrease each year, upon activation in 2024."

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/how-much-are-manchester-city-forward-erling-haalands-mystery-release-clauses-worth/articleshow/100334250.cms?from=mdr#:~:text=Haaland has a release clause,year, upon activation in 2024.

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even City who are winning things at the moment and managed by the best manager at this generation, agreed to his demand so blame the club for the lack of hindsight where we should agree to put release clause for him in 2019.
which part of my post that is incorrect?
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Honestly for the sake of this thread - we’ve sidetracked off Ragnick a fair bit - take a moment and read through your posts.

If you want to discuss whether or not the club should have accepted that and taken the risk, that’s fine but it has nothing to do with your original claim that Ole twice recommended Haaland and the club didn’t act. Your own timeline highlights what has been said from the start, the club DID try and get him post Salzburg.

FYI you’ve mixed up dates (or just don’t want to consider context) as we refused the release clause post Salzberg and your City reference is post Dortmund.
 
led_scholes said:
How does the fact that Haaland has a release clause with city changes the fact that Ole was unable to convince the family and the club to buy him?



Yes AWB is consistent in being okayis. Don't disagree with this. Spending 55 on an average RB who is a specialist in few things is my issue.
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Ole was his mentor not his dad, heck even his dad the self-proclaimed city fan cant stop his son from adding release clause with his beloved city. btw nice of you to move on though, considering youre hell bent saying ole didnt rate him first :lol: i admire your insistance to keep moving the goalpost with silly excuses and get called out by others here. :lol:

Heres AWB career highlights so far:
19/20 good
20/21 good
21/22 terrible, just like the rest of the team
22/23 good
23/24 very good so far

Based on that 50M wasnt such hefty sum for 21 y.o English RB considering the likes of Chilwell, Cucurella cost 50-60m while being inferior players, and Newcastle United just bought Tino Livramento (who?) from Southampton for 40M.

tomaldinho1 said:
Honestly for the sake of this thread - we’ve sidetracked off Rangnick a fair bit - take a moment and read through your posts.

If you want to discuss whether or not the club should have accepted that and taken the risk, that’s fine but it has nothing to do with your original claim that Ole twice recommended Haaland and the club didn’t act. Your own timeline highlights what has been said from the start, the club DID try and get him post Salzburg.

FYI you’ve mixed up dates (or just don’t want to consider context) as we refused the release clause post Salzberg and your City reference is post Dortmund.
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so when did the club act? do tell me....
 
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led_scholes said:
Whats so hard for you to understand that Ole recommended Diouf as an amazing player and we bought him (as we did with Pellistri and others), and when he suggested Haaland (when in Molde) we didnt. Ole has proved that he cant judge a players talent or potential. Thus, its easy to assume that when he suggested Haaland was just a vague call. Similarly, it is also plausible that he highly recommended Haaland, but our scouting team failed to understand his talent. Seeing Ole's managerial career, and our scouts' questionable work, I believe that the truth is in the middle; both failed to understand Haaland's potential till it was too late.
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keep saying this myth, maybe people like tomaldinho would fall ;) after all you both loved making up stories...
 
With our best RW options (rightly in my eyes) out of contention for the foreseeable, will ETH have his hand forced to play a variation of Ralf’s super high press 4222?

Casemiro and Amrabat creating a stable base to basically allow the FBs to play like wingers…

Mount and Bruno midfield press…

rashford and hojlund forward press…

always hated the shape when Ralf tried it for us previously… looked hideously narrow….

but the personnel we have now is probably far better suited to giving it a go.
 
3 games to go: Sweden beaten comfortably, qualification more or less done. Ralf is great. The problem was United after all.
 
Open heart surgery was the key phrase. We still have postponed the surgery. Time to go under the knife
 
Say what you want about him as a manager but he correctly recognized a complete overhaul was required. ETH should have listened instead of building a transition team centered around Bruno and Rashford.

No doubt recruitment would have been considerably better as well if he was kept around.
 
Based Ralf.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...austria-squad-homophobic-chants-b2512002.html

Austria coach Ralf Rangnick has dropped three players from the national team squad for upcoming friendly games because they took part in homophobic chants after the Vienna derby last month. Austria’s Euro 2024 group includes France and Netherlands…

"This is something that I will not tolerate in a team where I am a coach, whether in a club or here with the national team," Rangnick said when he made his squad announcement Monday evening. "Everything we stand for with the national team is at the other end of the scale, and I told the boys that on the phone."
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Always liked Ralf, even if he was badly out of his depth in his short stint at United.
 
Fair play, not many managers actually take the moral stance when it impacts them negatively.
 
bosnian_red said:
Fair play, not many managers actually take the moral stance when it impacts them negatively.
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i think you have to be a bit more careful with austria, given their reputation for bad eggs.
 
rimaldo said:
i think you have to be a bit more careful with austria, given their reputation for bad eggs.
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Rangnick was also completely fine with taking money from Mateschitz for years but this stance regarding the national team is definitely commendable.
 
The same Rangnick, who said football should be apolitical?

Kudos to him. It's going to be tough playing crucia friendlies without Burgstaller, but they'll have to make due. Not every coach would have had the guts to axe three players, who have one cap between them since 2022.
 
garelo said:
Halaand said he want to emulate Zlatan's career, playing from club to club hence why he insisted on release clause, heck he even forced City to put release clause on him (BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT!)

"Haaland has a release clause that is worth €200 million. The contract comes into effect in 2024. However, the release clause is only valid for clubs outside of the (English) Premier League. According to The Athletic, the release clause of Haaland will decrease each year, upon activation in 2024."
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I'll add to this - i think a lot of people who don't follow contract leaks and releases don't realize that a lot of players at City are tied to Pep. In terms that they have only gone their to play for one of the greatest coaches ever and that they have clauses written into their contracts that as soon as he leaves they likely will too. E.g in the case of Haaland it's in his contract that when Pep leaves he will stay one season with a new coach and then depart. KDB etc have similar clauses.
 
do.ob said:
The same Rangnick, who said football should be apolitical?

Kudos to him. It's going to be tough playing crucia friendlies without Burgstaller, but they'll have to make due. Not every coach would have had the guts to axe three players, who have one cap between them since 2022.
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What a strange post.
 
do.ob said:
The same Rangnick, who said football should be apolitical?

Kudos to him. It's going to be tough playing crucia friendlies without Burgstaller, but they'll have to make due. Not every coach would have had the guts to axe three players, who have one cap between them since 2022.
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Supporting basic human rights is not political.
 
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