You are genuinely asking me to explain to you how Ole, a former Molde player with strong links to the club, the eliteserien and national team knew of a highly rated striker playing for Molde?
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Yes, and i'd also like you to explain how come man united just accepted the recommendation knowning really well that ole didnt even spend 1 day training with him, and the prove of your statement that ole recommended mame diouf to the club? after all you called my previous statement as a "myth" then i provide you with direct quotes from people involved (not only from ole). go on dont back down now.
half of europe probably wanted their signings tbf. But United might be on the other half
The main point being that he was recommending quality signings who have since been snapped up by our rivals.
"We weren't intending on signing anyone else" - The £4million transfer decision Sir Alex Ferguson made after Ole Gunnar Solskjaer advice - Manchester Evening News
That would have taken you about 2 seconds to find.
Ole also tried to sign him at Cardiff
Where is it confirmed, anywhere, that Solskjaer recommended Diouf? Fergie said we'd been watching him for two years before we signed him, and Solskjaer didn't start managing Molde until two years after we signed Diouf.
The only quote in there says we'd been watching him for two years. The stuff about Solskjaer recommending him is basically speculation.
By the time Solskjaer was at Cardiff, Diouf had left and was scoring steadily in Bundesliga.
You could read the article? Aslo Solbakken is Ole's agent, guess who else he represented?
Not sure relevance of your last point re BL, he clearly rated him hence he tried to sign him.
I have read the article. Have you?
There is one quote relating to the transfer that is about us having watched him for two years, other clubs starting to take interest, and us deciding to pull the trigger as a result. There's a line, that isn't a quote, about Solskjaer apparently and alerting Fergie to his potential, which appears to be pure speculation.
I'm just really confused by your whole point.
We'd been watching a player for two years and signed him on the cheap. He didn't turn out to be United quality but he's carved out a pretty good career for himself and has a decent enough goal return.
Solskjaer may have said "he's worth a punt" but again, we'd been scouting him for two years. This wasn't Bebe.
Because of this, and because he showed interest in signing him for Cardiff years after the fact (when he was proving himself in Bundesliga), we shouldn't have taken another punt on a young striker, just because it was Solskjaer that recommended him?
Read the chain.
Didn't Ole admit he offered Haaland to United when he was at Molde in recent fan meeting?
Again, even if Haaland had turned out to be a Diouf, what was the risk? 5m ? United squad wasn't exactly stacked at the time either. Zlatan was on rehab and Lukaku was our only no 9
Again, even if Haaland had turned out to be a Diouf, what was the risk? 5m ? United squad wasn't exactly stacked at the time either. Zlatan was on rehab and Lukaku was our only no 9
So where is the direct quote that said Ole recommending him to SAF? i provided you with actual quotes didnt i? so who is proposing a "myth" here? Ole tried to sign him at Cardiff, well duh Diouf was decent striker who went on to make decent career in Bundesliga and PL with Stoke City after he left Man United so why shouldnt he tried to sign him for a club of Cardiff's level?
I have. It doesn't prove the point you evidently seem to think it does.
well @tomaldinho1 said it was a myth eventhought there are direct quotes from people involved to prove it then he went on to propose a myth himself, saying the reason club rejected ole's haland recommendation was because he recommended mame diouf in 2009, forgetting the fact that Ole wasnt molde manager at that point. it's kinda funny to see how some caftard act like 5 years old didnt want to admit mistake and keep moving the goalpost.
To be fair Messi and Ronaldo turned out to be cracking players.
If we ignore the article literally stating it and all the connections... I can't provide you with a direct quote from Ole saying 'I recommend Mame Biriam Diouf' no. The onus should be on you to disprove it, I have given you a source (the same source you gave me incidentally) which says it and there are many connections between the two, I see you conveniently ignored the Solbakken link as well.
This is even ignoring the actual point which was the club DID try and sign Haaland multiple times, your original comment was this:
" Ole recommended Halaand TWICE, and still United didnt make a move. "
Which is categorically false.
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Garelo said: "say what you like about Ole as manager but the man knows quality striker when he sees one. "
I disagree and point to Diouf as proof. If you want to be difficult and deny Ole directly recommended Diouf, you still can find a lot of direct quotes that prove Ole rated Diouf highly.
Therefore the question to you is do you agree with the above quote?
Solskjaer has said himself he contacted United while he was Molde manager and offered us Haaland for £4 million, but the club opted to ignore the recommendation. I can't speak for a second offer, but I don't see how you've disproved anything garelo has claimed. United showing interest after Haaland had left Molde likely had nothing to do with Solskjaer.
Diouf is still a decent striker, he just didn't kick on to the level required at United (possibly not aided by him fighting for a spot among Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, an emerging Welbeck, lingering Macheda and Hernandez when we signed him). Solskjaer rating a player with a good scoring record in Bundesliga is hardly a damning indictment of his ability to spot a decent striker.
I made it quite clear in an earlier post, hence why I said read the chain to you, that I don't begrudge the club not signing an unproven teenager off Ole's recommendation, particularly when you look at the stark Diouf similarities (even, to stop you being pedantic, ignoring Ole's personal recommendation) however the club DID try to sign Haaland the times after that. Therefore Garelo's statement is false.
You have dodged the question or for some reason changed the timeline, we are talking about Diouf moving from the eliteserien to United, you can find a number of direct quotes from Ole on his abilities at that time. Not the Bundesliga transfer hence, again this is quite annoying if you aren't reading things properly, why I asked about the relevance of your BL quote.
I brought up the Bundesliga stuff because you intimated that Solskjaer trying to sign him for Cardiff was somehow related to his supposed recommendation to United a good five years earlier. It's got nothing to do with me shifting the timeline, but simply me responding to things you brought up. Of course any comments Solskjaer made about Diouf at that time were glowing. Fergie's were as well. We'd just signed him. They were hardly going to call him shite, were they?
I disagree with your view of garelo's statement. I think you're being quite pedantic about it, and it's fairly obvious that, within the context of Solskjaer recommending players, United making moves for a known entity is very different to United making moves to sign, as you put it, an unproven teenager, which is the timeframe I read his statement to be covering.
You wrote a post in a very condescending tone, essentially stating as fact that Solskjaer recommended Diouf, who wasn't good enough for United, and therefore the club were right to not listen to him when he recommended Haaland. This, despite the timelines of Solskjaer's transition into management and subsequent move to Molde, and United's signing of Diouf being significantly out of sync. There is little to no evidence of Solskjaer recommending Diouf to United, but plenty of evidence that he directly offered Haaland to the club at least once. Your argument hinges almost entirely on the idea that Solskjaer was somehow instrumental to United signing Diouf, but all of the quotes about the signing indicate that we had been watching him for a while and pulled the trigger when other clubs starting showing interest. It also hinges a bit on Diouf being shite, which he demonstrably isn't, even if he didn't develop into a United quality striker. £4 million on Haaland, even if he hadn't turned out as he has now, would have been absolute chump change for the club, especially when you consider the fees involved in bringing in the likes of Pellistri and Diallo here, or to go back more towards Diouf's time, Nick Powell and Angelo Henriquez.
He might be a crap manager but this guy spoke facts about the state of the club and you lot hated him for it.
Tbh players threw him under the bus, the moment they knew he wouldn't be there for long.We hated him because he was crap at his job.
Rashford was the most obvious one
No I wrote that as further proof he rated the player. The reason it has become pedantic is because it is provably false and I am having to keep replying to you for some reason.
The article literally states that Ole recommended Diouf and with all the additional touch points, if it matters so much to you feel free to go and prove he did not.
Your last paragraph yet again proves you either cannot or will not read posts in detail, I literally even put a disclaimer in to stop you being pedantic which you bulldozed through and wrote the bolded. You have written a lot but I suspect you have realised you jumped into a chain without reading and now are doubling down. The fact is the initial statement from Garelo is false + I personally think it is fair to say Ole's eye for a striker is questionable. For argument's sake let's forget Diouf, the guy signed old Cavani, old Ronaldo, Ighalo.....he also signed Le Fondre who was terrible for Cardiff...
He's a shit coach. Nobody is denying that.We hated him because he was crap at his job.
Everything he said from a "front office" point of view was spot on though.
I've read it all. You make little sense.
There are quotes about the Diouf signing, and a speculative statement making a link between Solskjaer's connection to Molde and the move. You're clinging to the speculation and ignoring me every time I point that out.
Cavani was decent enough, there was lots of clamour for Ronaldo, and Ighalo did a reasonable job considering his status in the squad. Le Fondre had done well for Reading and Rotherham and signed when Cardiff had basically decided they had no proper transfer budget. You're clutching at straws with all of those.
I still don't really understand what you're arguing.
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I have spelled it out for you, I can't really do much more. Genuinely, read the chain.
You quite clearly haven't made the coherent point you believe yourself to have made.
I've read it all. You're all over the place.
If you’ve read the chain and genuinely don't understand, consider this an accurate representation of my thoughts.
If you’ve read the chain and genuinely don't understand, consider this an accurate representation of my thoughts.
Mate, your point has been about as clear as a hangover piss.
tag line checks out.
Will Austria play 4111111 now?
I can't believe people are still arguing about this guy a year after he left. Do you really have nothing better to do?
It doesn't need a genius to realize United's main issues.
Ralf was a fraud, plain and simple. Talks the talk but that's the only thing he can do.
It was the other way round. He threw them under the bus every chance he got and didn't even bother to manage them properly and STILL expected a job after failing in his one task, to stablize the team and get results.
Apparently it does take genius. Because other than Rangnick, could you point me in direction of anyone working in the footballing world who has actually identified issues with United? Especially someone with any connection to the club.
Listening to all of these people, it's as if there was some mystical force stopping United from being competitive.
"He was right about open heart surgery"...
The keeper, both CBs, 2/3 of the midfield, and 2/3 of attackers have been replaced. There has been open heart surgery. ETH may not have said anything, but he's done it anyway. The jury is still out on whether it's working. Last season was an improvement, this one so far has been awful.
So, if replacing practically the entire starting XI doesn't work...?
The keeper, both CBs, 2/3 of the midfield, and 2/3 of attackers have been replaced. There has been open heart surgery. ETH may not have said anything, but he's done it anyway. The jury is still out on whether it's working. Last season was an improvement, this one so far has been awful.
So, if replacing practically the entire starting XI doesn't work...?
Even fans on internet realize our issues.
It's not rocket science. All our managers have pointed the club's issues in the press directly during or after they left the job. Van Gaal and Mourinho did, even if they failed to fix them or add more issues to ours.The board just doesn't care about fixing them (and they hadn't, until now anyway). The club is earning them a lot of money and as long as we manage to finish top 4, it's alright for them.
Ralf was right because he recommended thread, he spoke the truth... Yeah and so does some boys down in the pub(not Richard Arnold), worst manager in decades. Talked a big game , done nothing on the pitch. I'm sure ETH wants more players, the greedy Glazers have held us back. Near impossible to compete for biggest trophies now. Ralf the myth Ragnick, needs to be forgotten about like Moyes.
Maybe the surgery shouldn’t have been done by dr. Nick Riviera?
I think he was right about the need to replace the players but it seems the problems at United are deeper rooted than this. The club has this mystical ability to turn everyone in its sphere of influence to shit.