Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances

[I'm always right]

I've watched it tens of times and still can't see how anyone could say Rafael is at fault from that move.

It's because if you dissect every single goal you'll find that with hindsight it could possibly have been stopped, some of us realise that it's stupid to use hindsight, we know that footballers must play percentages. Others, like Lawman, think that because they can spot a possible way for a player to do something different in order to stop a goal, that the player was therefore at fault for not doing exactly that.

It's beyond retarded, Rafael did exactly what was expected of a fullback in this situation. He's just beaten by a perfect ball, just as DDG is.

And with that, I will leave the thread for today.

 

[Nighteyes]

Vidic gets beaten far too easily for me too here but we are talking about only Rafaels part here to be fair. Rafael switched off for a milli second imho and got punished, better defenders than him have done it so no great shame. I'm not criticsing Rafael on the whole scheme of things he's been awesome this season but when you come on the forum and people are saying he has done nothing wrong for the goal is just not right.

So in short in your opinion all of Vidic, Ferdinand and Rafael were defending incorrectly

 

[Lawman]

So in short in your opinion all of Vidic, Ferdinand and Rafael were defending incorrectly

Yep that's normally what happens when conceding a goal. Live with it mistakes happen. If you don't think players make mistakes your blinded. Glad we cleared that up for you.

 

[Lawman]

It's because if you dissect every single goal you'll find that with hindsight it could possibly have been stopped, some of us realise that it's stupid to use hindsight, we know that footballers must play percentages. Others, like Lawman, think that because they can spot a possible way for a player to do something different in order to stop a goal, that the player was therefore at fault for not doing exactly that.

It's beyond retarded, Rafael did exactly what was expected of a fullback in this situation. He's just beaten by a perfect ball, just as DDG is.

And with that, I will leave the thread for today.

I think if that's the extent of your knowledge you should perhaps leave this thread for good.

 

[Gio]

Listen I'll spell it out to you as you obviously don't have a clue, the ideal position would be for Rafael to be goal side and ball side of Ronaldo while being TOUCH TIGHT. This gives Rafael the utmost advantage in this situation to 1. get the ball and 2 stop Ronaldo getting the ball. Will he stop Ronaldo no not always as sometimes the ball is just to perfect or the player is too strong in the air/body whatever. But Rafeal must give himself the best possible chance in this situation and he quite clearly doesn't. So he is clearly at fault here as he was caught napping for a spilt second.

Agree with this.

 

[Plechazunga]

I guess we should probably shut the feck up here

this

 

[::sonny::]

He is so tiny

 

[Ruud10]

I've watched it tens of times and still can't see how anyone could say Rafael is at fault from that move.

I'm genuinely astounded that this thread was bumped to debate this issue.

I'm astounded we have Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime here who want to hang this one all over Rafael.

 

[Lawman]

I'm astounded we have Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime here who want to hang this one all over Rafael.

Stop being so sensitive think we are all in agreement that we went out due to the referee giving a wrong red card. But I came into the thread as there was rubbish being said about Rafael that he couldn't do anything about the goal when he clearly could have done better That's just a fact. I'm not hanging anything on the kid he's been fantastic this season.

 

[Nighteyes]

Stop being so sensitive think we are all in agreement that we went out due to the referee giving a wrong red card. But I came into the thread as there was rubbish being said about Rafael that he couldn't do anything about the goal when he clearly could have done better That's just a fact. I'm not hanging anything on the kid he's been fantastic this season.

It's not really a fact. It's your opinion and a wrong one at that in my eyes.

 

[Isotope]

The pass from Higuain was straight, not curved. Ronaldo was Rafaels' man and he failed to deal with CR. It's a simple pass, and a simple man marking (as Rafael was aware of CR). He's ball watching, and thought the ball would go out, so not challenging for it whatsoever.

I played full back, and I'd blame myself if I let such a simple tap in happened. Rafael fecked up (like he did with Ribery, two years ago), and life goes on.

 

[Platato]

It's Sunday and we're still discussing this? All that goal showed for me was that at the top level, you can't afford to be off for even half a second.

 

[kouroux]

Yeah it really doesn't need any more analysis.Good cross from Higuain and Rafael switched off fatally against a player very difficult to mark

 

[Lawman]

It's Sunday and we're still discussing this? All that goal showed for me was that at the top level, you can't afford to be off for even half a second.

Yeah it really doesn't need any more analysis.Good cross from Higuain and Rafael switched off fatally against a player very difficult to mark

Both correct but why not still discuss it as it's a football forum and it was our last game! And certain posters can't see that Rafael switched off and was in the wrong position! Unbelievable really!

 

[Platato]

Yes I saw that Lawman. I feel those posters just feel it's harsh to criticise Rafael in that instance. Such fine margins define a match. Make of that what you will. It's the same with the chances we spurned that could have won the tie.

 

[Kraftwerker]

He lost the best forward in the world in a 10 vs 11 game where there are running threats coming from angles into the box giving him more than one player to think about. There isn't much shame in that.

And even if he does react a second quicker, it's an incredibly difficult ball to clear. Could've easily been an own goal.

My inclination is that under the circumstances not many full-backs would've done better, certainly none in this country, but given his talent, Rafael should be aiming to be the best right-back in the game. So he'll no doubt use it as a learning experience.

 

[Buchan]

I have deliberately shirked this debate thus far as I feel it's just going round in circles, but if I was to attribute some blame for the concession of Ronaldo's goal, I would say that Vidic should have blocked the initial cross. Again, that's nit-picking and I genuinely feel as though we missed plenty more guilt-edged chances before and after that goal anyway.

 

[Lawman]

I have deliberately shirked this debate thus far as I feel it's just going round in circles, but if I was to attribute some blame for the concession of Ronaldo's goal, I would say that Vidic should have blocked the initial cross. Again, that's nit-picking and I genuinely feel as though we missed plenty more guilt-edged chances before and after that goal anyway.

Yep we acknowledged Vidic part and no one has said this is what put us out the tie as there were many moments over the 2 legs that cost us RVP miss Ref not sending off Varne ref sending off Nani etc but in this instence we were debating Rafaels part in this goal alone and a few posters said he couldn't have done anything more and tried to shoot down the few who were talking sense. Anyhow that's me finished with this thread I'll move on.

 

[finneh]

Yep we acknowledged Vidic part and no one has said this is what put us out the tie as there were many moments over the 2 legs that cost us RVP miss Ref not sending off Varne ref sending off Nani etc but in this instence we were debating Rafaels part in this goal alone and a few posters said he couldn't have done anything more and tried to shoot down the few who were talking nonsense. Anyhow that's me finished with this thread I'll move on.

Fixed.

 

[Phil]

Is he regressing?

 

[ghaliboy]

Sometimes you just want to shout 'feck MATE get tighter!!'.

Still love him though.

 

[Aboutreika18]

He gets an easy ride on here, since he's such a loveable character.

Completely messed up the basics on Hazard's curler.

 

[Isotope]

He isn't a Cup player, is he? always play poor when the pressure is on.

 

[#07]

Sometimes you just want to shout 'feck MATE get tighter!!'.

Still love him though.

He does get tight, sometimes too tight and ends up over committing himself nearly got done for it by Oscar in the first half.

He gets an easy ride on here, since he's such a loveable character.

Completely messed up the basics on Hazard's curler.

How so? He showed him inside and was stood up to him, if he gets in Hazard's face its very likely he'll get beaten and Hazard will buy a foul from him or beat him.

My main gripe with Rafael was his inability to find teammates with a pass throughout the second half. He was winning the ball and surrendering it moments later constantly. He wasn't as bad as some but there were a couple where he really needed to find a United shirt and found a Chelsea one instead.

 

[DevilRed]

Some panicky clearances but you could say the same for everyone. He played well today and did as well as you could against oscar and hazard.

 

[Nighteyes]

Had a poor-ish game I thought. Wasn't the only one though

 

[I'm always right]

Had a poor-ish game I thought. Wasn't the only one though

I wouldn't blame him for the goal but do agree that he had quite a poor game today.

CL hangover for a few of our players.

 

[Cutch]

He was fecked. Ran completely out of steam. We can't underestimate how emotionally and physically draining the match the other night would have been. Another that shouldn't have lasted the 90 but we'd no other choice.

 

[Kraftwerker]

His distribution was terrible today.

It's usually very good but he caught the passing AIDS that the whole team was infected with.

 

[Amir]

Fergie: 'In the second half our two full-backs, Rafa and Patrice were just ... knackered'

 

[Isotope]

It's a bit obvious, Fergie. So why not put Smalling on?

 

[Amar__]

Smalling's distribution is awfull this year, it would be ridiculous to play him in this game, especially on RB against the likes of oscar and Hazard.

 

[Isotope]

We were defending. I think Smalling is a better defender than a knackered Rafael. And Rafael's passing was beyond poor in the last 20 min. or so.

 

[::sonny::]

Fergie: 'In the second half our two full-backs, Rafa and Patrice were just ... knackered'

The right and the left back are our main weak point

 

[I'm always right]

The right and the left back are our main weak point

Well yeah that's exactly what he said.

Hardly surprising really considering the week we've had.

 

[Wowi]

He gets an easy ride on here, since he's such a loveable character.

Completely messed up the basics on Hazard's curler.

How so? What should he have done instead? If you get very close to a player like Hazard you run the risk of him going around you. Rafael had zero backup, so I think he did the right thing in closing him down from a distance so he was able to react to a dribble.

Basically, if Rafael had tried to go in and tackle Hazard and Hazard had gone around him he'd be completely free in the box and you'd have 50 people on here moaning about Rafael being immature in his play. I think what he did today showed that he has matured, even though it didn't really work out.

 

[ERICSAGOD]

I've been on about his defending for ages. Brilliant going forward, but he ball watches all the time, and just drifts into the middle not aware of whats going on behind him.

 

[Ash_G]

Fergie: 'In the second half our two full-backs, Rafa and Patrice were just ... knackered'

Tbh hardly like Fergie has really taken many opportunities to rest them.

I think with Rafael the thing he needs to work on is his clearances. Sometimes he punts it when he could maybe take a touch and pass it out and other times he tries to turn on it and shepherd it out/back when he just needs to get rid. But that's what you expect from a young player.

 

[Cling Bak]

He does get tight, sometimes too tight and ends up over committing himself nearly got done for it by Oscar in the first half.

Very true. He's often diving into challenges and the Oscar example is a good one.

How so? He showed him inside and was stood up to him, if he gets in Hazard's face its very likely he'll get beaten and Hazard will buy a foul from him or beat him.

Hazard is right footed and wanted to cut in to shoot. So firstly, he shouldn't have so generously let him pick which side to bring the ball down on and shoot with.

How so? What should he have done instead? If you get very close to a player like Hazard you run the risk of him going around you. Rafael had zero backup, so I think he did the right thing in closing him down from a distance so he was able to react to a dribble.

Rather he dribbled wide (left) than shot from there. As I say above, he's right footed and so without back-up he should've shown him onto his left where, a) he's weaker, b) he's going to cause less problems. He can only show him inside if he has a team mate close by and he gets the call to do so.

The fact is, he wasn't tight enough (yes, I realise Hazard can skin you if you dive in, but he was some distance away) and allowed him to do what he wanted.

I just don't think he's a very good defender and ball watches/day dreams.

 

[Cevno]

Was poor today, i thought.