For what it is worth and I haven't been following the thread to be honest, but on seeing the GIF Rafael is clearly at fault when the cross is coming in his awareness is gone, he is too far off Ronaldo for a start and his body position is all wrong he should be in a position to see the ball and Ronaldo and he's not hence the reason Ronaldo got first run on him and the fact Rafael couldn't block or match him. Anybody saying otherwise is just wrong.
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For what it is worth and I haven't been following the thread to be honest, but on seeing the GIF Rafael is clearly at fault when the cross is coming in his awareness is gone, he is too far off Ronaldo for a start and his body position is all wrong he should be in a position to see the ball and Ronaldo and he's not hence the reason Ronaldo got first run on him and the fact Rafael couldn't block or match him. Anybody saying otherwise is just wrong.
wtf? The only way he can be in a position to see the ball and Ronaldo is if he's not ball side and if that were that were the case there would be hordes of people on here criticizing his positioning or call him lazy for not tracking Ronaldo quicker.
Rafael has done everything right. He's ball side and tracking Ronaldo all the way. The only thing he could have done is attempt to clear the ball and that could have led to a own goal which would have got him criticized as well.
Not every goal has to be down to a defensive lapse or fault. That's just an excellent goal by Madrid.
No sorry akash02 you are clearly wrong, he should and is to be fair ball side but then he should touch tight to Ronaldo with his body opened up and he isn't. So 1 his body position is wrong and 2 his actual positioning is wrong. Its pretty clear to be fair its not even up for debate (as much as I think Rafael is quality)
Can Petey just be banned from this thread, his obsession is unhealthy.
1. He's the attacker and obviously has the advantage here in this situation, if you don't understand that, you don't understand football.
2. 3 yards? really? He gains about 0.5 yards max. See the gif below. You really have misunderstood if you think he gains 3 fecking yards on him. The entire run is only about 6 yards ffs.
Ronaldo is faster than Rafael and the ball has about 2 more yards to travel after Rafael before it reaches Ronaldo, both of these things lead to that 0.5 yards.
Seriously, the idea that Rafael is at fault here is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen on this place.
Brwned, ffs... Rafael has to wait to see what Ronaldo does before making his move. Wow man, just fecking wow!! Gary Neville would've been completely fecked.
You are so clueless, so much for self proclaimed best footballer on the cafe
Rafael is clearly at fault here can't you not see that?Do you think he should be clearing that?
Wow, how clueless can you be.
The last thing you'd wanna be there is "touch tight", especially to a guy that's faster, taller and stronger than you
Just check out one of the World's best defenders inside him, doing exactly the same thing with Kaka.
It's quite funny. Lawman is at least league standard, Gio is has just played v an SPL team, and believe me I wasn't exactly shit.
Apparently he does.
I don't think Ronaldo should be getting a clear run on it like he did. Ronaldo clearly looses Rafael as Rafael had switched off plus as I have said Rafaels body position is all wrong this is why you see him looking for Ronaldo. Ideally he would open up his right shoulder get closer to Ronaldo and that ball would go out of play/danger area without Ronaldo being able to reach it.
For some reason I don't believe you.
Well I think you're talking crap and people trying to attach blame to this goal are really scraping the barrel.
The problem with crosses like that are they should be cutoff at the near post. Once it goes past that stage then the attacking team has a clear advantage as the rest of the defenders are scared to death of scoring an OG. Case in point, in the first leg when there was a similar cross played from the left in the 2nd half but there Jones intercepted the ball.
Rafael cannot in anyway shape or form see the ball and Ronaldo at the same time. That's an impossibility. Once the ball gets beyond the near post the attacker (Ronaldo) is at a clear advantage. He has the run on Rafael and if Rafael gets to close, he can nip in ahead of him and score.
I was fecking good I could've played left back for Leyton Orient. I wanted to play No.10 for Arsenal.
Please tell me there was a thread about posters boasting of their footballing exploits in real life!
Wow, how clueless can you be.
The last thing you'd wanna be there is "touch tight", especially to a guy that's faster, taller and stronger than you
Just check out one of the World's best defenders inside him, doing exactly the same thing with Kaka.
Im cringing for you please stop it. The first thing you want to be inside the box especially when somebody is faster taller and stronger is touch tight so you can block their run either with your body or by disrupting the angle or timing of their run. Please stop talking rubbish.
Of course he's talking crap ash, the fecker thinks he should be touch tight there in open play
Lawman obviously thinks thinks he knows how to defend these situations better than Rio fecking Ferdinand too.
Lawman obviously thinks thinks he knows how to defend these situations better than Rio fecking Ferdinand too.
His body position is very similar to Rio's, his right shoulder could have been a bit more open so he didn't have to check where Ronaldo was before the cross came in. All that said we are talking small percentages here and to use that as a basis for him being a shit defender is complete and utter bollocks. This all happened in a period where the whole team lost it's heads, to single out Rafael here smacks of an agenda. We are talking such fine margins.
I'm cringing for you, not least for thinking you know better than Rio.
Being touch tight there would be fecking suicide.
All day long... no defensive nous.
That's ok I don't mind, I can only give my opinion if you think that then so be it. But your second statement is so wrong.
That's very wrong, you should be able to see your man, the ball and the goal if you're marking properly.
Then please tell me how it's possible for Rafael to see both the ball and Ronaldo at the same time?? Grow eyes at the back of his head?
It's a great ball in but they're very difficult to get on the end of for defender or attacker, he produced the exact same cross 10mins earlier that nobody could reach. If it wasn't swinging outwards then even Ronaldo wouldn't have got there.
The only thing Rafael does wrong is to check over his right shoulder, whilst he's doing that Ronaldo is already on his way. If he was looking to his left for Ronaldo then his body shape would be perfect to run into that space. As it is he has to adjust and Ronaldo's already made his move. I still doubt he would have got there though.
The only thing Rafael does wrong is to check over his right shoulder, whilst he's doing that Ronaldo is already on his way. If he was looking to his left for Ronaldo then his body shape would be perfect to run into that space. As it is he has to adjust and Ronaldo's already made his move. I still doubt he would have got there though.
Ideally yes, but in this situation the only way to do that would be to be outside Ronaldo.
Once the ball skimmed past the front of the goal, where would Rafael have played the ball? The moment he tries to put a boot on the ball, it's in the back of the net.
If we must look for scapegoats out of some bizarre refusal to give Real any credit for a fantastic goal, why not pin it on Rio? A center back in that position should never let a low cross go across the goal area.
If we must look for scapegoats out of some bizarre refusal to give Real any credit for a fantastic goal, why not pin it on Rio? A center back in that position should never let a low cross go across the goal area.
Define "wrong" though, obviously that nano second to check is what gives Ronaldo 1/2 yard but if he doesn't look and Ronaldo darts inside him?
He has to see what Ronaldo is headed before making his move.
Get tighter and inside Ronaldo, only issue is if he does that Ronaldo will feck him in the air if Higuain stands the ball up, he might be able to put Ronaldo off or nick it away in his current position even then he still might be fecked. We're are talking about yards and split second decisions here, for me more fault would lie with Vidic who had a simpler task. It's ridiculous though, it was a class goal.
If you really want to attach blame then perhaps you could attach a miniscule amount of blame to Rafael but to suggest Rafael is clearly at fault as Lawman does is just ridiculous
Couldn't agree more with the first part. The second part you can exclude me as I am in know way saying Rafael is bad in any way shape or form I think he's been magnificent this season. But if we are analyzing this goal then his position is quite clearly wrong. Ronaldo finished it well and Vidic was beat too easily but we are only talking about Rafaels part and he was caught napping (no big deal for me) but people are talking shit here saying he was not to blame at all is just wrong.
I posted an image earlier in this thread that shows that even Ronaldo wouldn't have reached the ball from the fullback position, even on the slide.
The ball is just perfect for an attacker at the far post, because the fullback must be inside him and because the ball then has that extra yard to travel giving you a fraction longer to get closer to the ball.
As I said, you need only look at how one of the best centre backs to ever play the game is dealing with exactly the same situation,
Don't be a wanker that's what's it all about. You don't 'see' the attacker you 'know where he is' or have 'no fecking clue' like Rafael.
He can never see the ball and man if he's inside Ronaldo, it's a physical impossibility for homo sapiens.
Not one person has yet given a response to people asking why Rio did exactly the same thing as Rafael (including the glance over his right shoulder), if it was poor defending. I suppose he has 'no defensive nous' either?
Finally Pete said something that made sense in the Rafael thread.
Just before the cross is made, Ronaldo's body is facing the goal, Rafael is still slightly facing away, checking over his right. So he has to adjust to dart towards goal. Perhaps his body shape could be better, if he was facing goal more I think he could see ball and man. Either that or he gives himself another yard like Rio does on Kaka.
Even so, I still doubt he'd get there, I think the only position you can reach that cross is Ronaldo's.
Knowing where Ronaldo is doesn't help him as there's nothing he can do due to the quality of the cross.
A hard concept to grasp apparently.
You won't get a reason, because people like Lawman think they know better than the likes of Rio. If anything you'll likely be told Rio was also wrong.
This touch tight idea is just madness, you're screaming out for problems in that situation if you're tough tight. Not least how difficult it would be to clear a ball that's hit into the area where you are touch tight with a taller, stronger, faster man all over you.
Peripheral vision? I was a centre-back so it's a bit different to full-backs and wingers and when I did play Right-Back I was a 3rd CB almost. He's already 'inside' Ronaldo if you catch my drift, if he's tighter he can still see the ball and have a better awareness of where Ronaldo is, this includes the potential for Rafael to see him in his periphery. All that said all this analysis only tells me one thing which we already know, he's young and learning. So many defenders don't even check their shoulders in the Premier League.
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