Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances

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Fergus' son said:
Not me person has yet given a response to people asking why Rio did exactly the same thing as Rafael (including the glance over his right shoulder), if it was poor defending. I suppose he has 'no defensive nous' either?
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The only difference is that Rio gives himself a yard on Kaka where as Rafael and Ronaldo are almost level when Higuain gets the ball.
 
MrMojo said:
It's a great ball in but they're very difficult to get on the end of for defender or attacker, he produced the exact same cross 10mins earlier that nobody could reach. If it wasn't swinging outwards then even Ronaldo wouldn't have got there.

The only thing Rafael does wrong is to check over his right shoulder, whilst he's doing that Ronaldo is already on his way. If he was looking to his left for Ronaldo then his body shape would be perfect to run into that space. As it is he has to adjust and Ronaldo's already made his move. I still doubt he would have got there though.
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Sensible post Mr Mojo and I agree but 1 point if by having to check over his shoulder for me it clearly shows his body position is all wrong.

Ps Armchair your defensive know how is impressive. ;)
 
Lawman said:
Sensible post Mr Mojo and I agree but 1 point if by having to check over his shoulder for me it clearly shows his body position is all wrong.

Ps Armchair your defensive know how is impressive. ;)
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I wasn't blessed with great physical attributes so I had to learn how to defend properly :lol:
 
MrMojo said:
The only difference is that Rio gives himself a yard on Kaka where as Rafael and Ronaldo are almost level when Higuain gets the ball.
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I think a yard may be overstating it, half a yard perhaps. The difference between the two defenders actions is more or less non existent IMO.

Had that been Kaka in Ronaldos position I'm not sure he would have reached it.
 
Lawman said:
Sensible post Mr Mojo and I agree but 1 point if by having to check over his shoulder for me it clearly shows his body position is all wrong.
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Rio also checks over his shoulder.

Checking over your shoulder is good defending, it doesn't clearly show you are in a wrong position.
 
Fergus' son said:
I think a yard may be overstating it, half a yard perhaps. The difference between the two defenders actions is more or less non existent IMO.

Had that been Kaka in Ronaldos position I'm not sure he would have reached it.
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Fine margins no doubt but if he has that extra yard/half yard on Ronaldo rather than being level then maybe. I still say credit to the cross though, a thing of beauty really with that last second outswing it had. Like I said, he did exactly the same thing 10 mins earlier so it was no fluke either.
 
I'm always right said:
Ideally yes, but in this situation the only way to do that would be to be outside Ronaldo.
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:lol: Listen I'll spell it out to you as you obviously don't have a clue, the ideal position would be for Rafael to be goal side and ball side of Ronaldo while being TOUCH TIGHT. This gives Rafael the utmost advantage in this situation to 1. get the ball and 2 stop Ronaldo getting the ball. Will he stop Ronaldo no not always as sometimes the ball is just to perfect or the player is too strong in the air/body whatever. But Rafeal must give himself the best possible chance in this situation and he quite clearly doesn't. So he is clearly at fault here as he was caught napping for a spilt second.
 
MrMojo said:
Fine margins no doubt but if he has that extra yard/half yard on Ronaldo rather than being level then maybe. I still say credit to the cross though, a thing of beauty really with that last second outswing it had. Like I said, he did exactly the same thing 10 mins earlier so it was no fluke either.
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Yeah, it's hard to measure anyway given everything moved so quick.

The earlier cross was even better IMO.
 
Lawman said:
:lol: Listen I'll spell it out to you as you obviously don't have a clue, the ideal position would be for Rafael to be goal side and ball side of Ronaldo while being TOUCH TIGHT. This gives Rafael the utmost advantage in this situation to 1. get the ball and 2 stop Ronaldo getting the ball. Will he stop Ronaldo no not always as sometimes the ball is just to perfect or the player is too strong in the air/body whatever. But Rafeal must give himself the best possible chance in this situation and he quite clearly doesn't. So he is clearly at fault here as he was caught napping for a spilt second.
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To be fair he hasn't got a fecking clue as a defender.
 
Some people who are criticising Rafael are saying he should be touch tight and some of them are saying he should have been a yard or two behind him! I think people were just looking for any way to criticise him once the goal was conceded personally.

And still, none of the critics have even addressed the fact that Rio does exactly the same thing. I'd rather Rafael follow Rios lead than the advice of the forums 'experts'.
 
Lawman said:
the ideal position would be for Rafael to be goal side and ball side of Ronaldo while being TOUCH TIGHT.
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Yeah, I erm, just started laughing again here.

Please tell me why Rio isn't touch tight?

It's because it's best to have 1/2 yard between yourself and the player and expect that the ball isn't inch perfect, if it's not, you clear the ball.

If you're touch tight and the ball is perfect, you may still be fecked, as you admit. If you're touch tight and the ball isn't "perfect" then you also may still be fecked. That's the difference.

I'm not even gonna start discussing how difficult being "touch tight" is in open play.

That 1/2 yard makes sure that on the VAST majority of occasions, you clear the ball under no challenge.

I guess we should probably shut the feck up here tough, we obviously have very different opinions on how to defend. I think Rafael did everything right because 99% of the time he clears a not so perfect ball and the striker isn't that fast. You can't dissect every goal and say, "this is how he could've possibly stopped this one" because that's just fecking hindsight, defenders/players can't work in hindsight, they work in percentages.
 
I'm always right said:
Yeah, I erm, just started laughing again here.

Please tell me why Rio isn't touch tight?

It's because it's best to have 1/2 yard between yourself and the player and expect that the ball isn't inch perfect, if it's not, you clear the ball.

If you're touch tight and the ball is perfect, you may still be fecked, as you admit. If you're touch tight and the ball isn't "perfect" then you also may still be fecked. That's the difference.

That 1/2 yard makes sure that on the VAST majority of occasions, you clear the ball under no challenge.

I guess we should probably shut the feck up here tough, we obviously have very different opinions on how to defend. I think Rafael did everything right because 99% of the time he clears a not so perfect ball and the striker isn't that fast. You can't dissect every goal and say, "this is how he could've possibly stopped this one" because that's just fecking hindsight, defenders/players can't work in hindsight, they work in percentages.
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Rio is caught out as well thats why (makes me think in the build up to the goal something unusual happened like a break of the ball or ricochet to Madrid) but Rio and Rafael are clearly out of position in the GIF and thats what ive commented on. Think about it like this if the ball goes to Rio's man he has a tap in, Rio should be all over him like a rash here as should be Rafael.

ps Pete Rafael isn't the best defender in the world but he has other skill sets that more than out weigh this the young lad has been brilliant for us this season and the exciting thing is he will just hopefully get better and better.
 
peterstorey said:
You've got no fecking idea of what defending's about, Ask your teammates next time up they'll piss themselves.
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I've actually played full back a fair few times, at a much higher level than you Peter ;) Your boy Anders Limpar actually advised me to stay at full back as he thought I was so good there. Just sayin' like.
 
I'm always right said:
Rio also checks over his shoulder.

Checking over your shoulder is good defending, it doesn't clearly show you are in a wrong position.
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As much as I like you I'm always right.
If you keep posting stupid comments like this I am not going to indulge you on your stupidity any longer.
 
Lawman said:
Rio should be all over him like a rash here as should be Rafael.
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It's like you're discussing a set piece.

Kaka runs into the box in open play, should Rio just abandon his position and sprint to get touch tight to Kaka? Of course he shouldn't, he's not man marking and he has a box and space to defend.

As much as I like showing you how stupid you are, if you carry on with this nonsense I won't be entertaining you and your new levels of stupidity.
 
I'm always right said:
I've actually played full back a fair few times, at a much higher level than you Peter ;) Your boy Anders Limpar actually advised me to stay at full back as he thought I was so good there. Just sayin' like.
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:lol: fantasticplayer:lol: not very good on the science of the game. Bit like yourself?
 
Lawman said:
Rio is caught out as well thats why (makes me think in the build up to the goal something unusual happened like a break of the ball or ricochet to Madrid) but Rio and Rafael are clearly out of position in the GIF and thats what ive commented on. Think about it like this if the ball goes to Rio's man he has a tap in, Rio should be all over him like a rash here as should be Rafael.

ps Pete Rafael isn't the best defender in the world but he has other skill sets that more than out weigh this the young lad has been brilliant for us this season and the exciting thing is he will just hopefully get better and better.
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Having said that, you can't conclusively blame Rafael at all. Have a look at the goal again properly if you need extra context.

It was the creative little flick from Ozil which caught all our defenders out (in equal measure), that's what gave the RM players the extra moment to react and caused the goal. The fact that Rio does exactly the same thing as Rafel should indicate to anyone without an agenda that the criticism of Rafael is over the top or unjustified, and certainly doesn't indicate he has 'no defensive nous'.
 
I'm always right said:
I've actually played full back a fair few times, at a much higher level than you Peter ;) Your boy Anders Limpar actually advised me to stay at full back as he thought I was so good there. Just sayin' like.
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Ray Houghton on Talksport used to give it 'I've played at a higher level than you' and obviously got the piss taken. So now whenever somebody else does the same thing they play a little clip of Ray.

Given a top level footballer gets the piss taken I think you should have some kind of Caf equivalent whenever you use your semi pro career as evidence of being right.
 
MrMojo said:
Ray Houghton on Talksport used to give it 'I've played at a higher level than you' and obviously got the piss taken. So now whenever somebody else does the same thing they play a little clip of Ray.

Given a top level footballer gets the piss taken I think you should have some kind of Caf equivalent whenever you use your semi pro career as evidence of being right.
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Similarly, those blowing thier trumpets about having played left back for some shitty Sunday league teams thinking it adds weight to thier opinions also deserve to have the piss taken.
 
I'm always right said:
I've actually played full back a fair few times, at a much higher level than you Peter ;) Your boy Anders Limpar actually advised me to stay at full back as he thought I was so good there. Just sayin' like.
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STOP IT we have spoken before about blowing your own trumpet!

I'm always right said:
It's like you're discussing a set piece.

Kaka runs into the box in open play, should Rio just abandon his position and sprint to get touch tight to Kaka? Of course he shouldn't, he's not man marking and he has a box and space to defend.

Spaces don't score goals my friend players do that is why we pick them up and not spaces inside the box. (apart from the line of the cross i.e the front post as it is such a dangerous ball) Think of it this way, if there are only two attacking players in our box we should pick them up man to man tight as we can by doing this it lessens their chance of scoring or getting a shot away. You would only pick up areas if you are 1. a free man or 2 struggling and out of position.
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Watch the City game now and see how often defenders get touch tight in open play when the ball is played out wide.

I think it'll be an eye opener for you Lawman.
 
Fergus' son said:
Having said that, you can't conclusively blame Rafael at all. Have a look at the goal again properly if you need extra context.

It was the creative little flick from Ozil which caught all our defenders out (in equal measure), that's what gave the RM players the extra moment to react and caused the goal. The fact that Rio does exactly the same thing as Rafel should indicate to anyone without an agenda that the criticism of Rafael is over the top or unjustified, and certainly doesn't indicate he has 'no defensive nous'.
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Vidic gets beaten far too easily for me too here but we are talking about only Rafaels part here to be fair. Rafael switched off for a milli second imho and got punished, better defenders than him have done it so no great shame. I'm not criticsing Rafael on the whole scheme of things he's been awesome this season but when you come on the forum and people are saying he has done nothing wrong for the goal is just not right.
 
I'm always right said:
Watch the City game now and see how often defenders get touch tight in open play when the ball is played out wide.

I think it'll be an eye opener for you Lawman.
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Think it's you that needs to watch more games to be fair but we'll leave it that like we did the Anderson thread. Starting to see a pattern though when debating with you.

Opinions start miles apart
Somebody argues with you
back and forth back and forth
You change your views to conform to other opinion
But in a way that makes you not lose face and in fact that was what you were saying all along.

Don't bite too hard at the last bit
 
Eh?

I've stuck to my opinion all along you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. Rafael wasn't at fault. Don't for a single second dare to think I'm anywhere closer to your shite incorrect opinion on this.
 
I've watched it tens of times and still can't see how anyone could say Rafael is at fault from that move.

I'm genuinely astounded that this thread was bumped to debate this issue.
 
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