If anyone's watching the Arsenal game, Gibbs was a perfect example of what I'd like to see of Rafael. He got to the byline, and put a poor cross over. Walters broke, and somehow, Gibbs put in an excellent tackle, and then carried the ball. He accepted he was way out of position and got back in time to make the tackle.
Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances
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He'd be perfect as a wingback in a Glenn Hoddle style 3-5-2 formation.
The most stupid comment in the history of the caf, this should just be highlighted again and again and again.
How is it stupid? He was extremely poor for Brazil, as you would recall if you'd actually seen the game. The final was only about a week or so before the opening game. Why else would he rest him? And play Valencia there who isn't a natural fullback? He didn't need preseason or a layoff, the olympics was plenty preparation enough. Similarly he played De Gea who also played in the Olympics.
EDIT: And Tom Cleverley.
Angry? I made a point. Without expletives or hostility, how did you make that out to be angry?
Evra's a constant in the side, it's not exactly for his defensive abilities now is it?
He was very good defensively 2007-10, he has shown he can defend. Not to mention his only real competition has been O'Shea since Heinze left.
Spain got knocked out earlier. Rafael only joined the squad a few days prior to the game, as previously stated. Anyway, SAF might have preferred Valencia for different reasons than Rafael having a bad game. We really don't know!
07-10 he was considered by many to be the best left back in the world because his defensive abilities were on a par with his attacking. Since 2010 his defensive ability has deteriorated but he's still a dead cert starter every game because what he offers in attack is judged to be more important.
Rafael is in the same boat, many expect to be perfect at both, which hopefully he'll manage as he develops, and if/when that happens he'll be considered among the best RB's in the world, as Evra was. Til then he's still a very good player whose attacking qualities make up for the deficit in his defending, again, pretty much the same as Evra.
Rafael is in the same boat, many expect to be perfect at both, which hopefully he'll manage as he develops, and if/when that happens he'll be considered among the best RB's in the world, as Evra was. Til then he's still a very good player whose attacking qualities make up for the deficit in his defending, again, pretty much the same as Evra.
De Gea and Cleverley went out of the tournament much earlier than Rafael, and were able to feature in a couple of pre season games for us. Rafael played 6 games in a couple of weeks and none with United in pre season. He only joined up with the squad a few days before the season started. He was always going to miss the Everton game.
That's a fair point, Valencia's height being one of the reasons. But I think if he had the choice he would've played Rafael there, so we would have 3 natural defenders.
Rafael had a good game.
He got skinned a few times which is rare for him. Rafael has kept tricky and pacey wingers quiet many times.
Rafael wins an insane amount of tackles and completes many passes for his position. All of his stats are impressive.
The problem with his defensive game is positioning and switching off. Rafael is better defensively than people think. He has had some high profile mistakes (sending off, switching off completely) but so did Rio when he was young.
Rafael is going to be one of the best RB's in the game very soon.
He got skinned a few times which is rare for him. Rafael has kept tricky and pacey wingers quiet many times.
Rafael wins an insane amount of tackles and completes many passes for his position. All of his stats are impressive.
The problem with his defensive game is positioning and switching off. Rafael is better defensively than people think. He has had some high profile mistakes (sending off, switching off completely) but so did Rio when he was young.
Rafael is going to be one of the best RB's in the game very soon.
Lets be fair and give him a few games to get settles in the team - like we should do with all our Players
By the way, Rafa didn't have a ''terrible'' olympics. He wasn't great, but if he was terrible he wouldn't of kept his place.
He was good except for 1 mistake before the final. Then in the final he didnt do great.
He is getting blamed for the goal. I have to agree
Defensively he's not good.He compensates by making rash tackles and offensive runs
So you are saying - he should be blamed for being overrun in a duel by someone 15 cm taller than him and who is a brilliant header of a ball ?
Why not blame Kagawa who was sleeping when losing the ball
Why not blame Ferdinand who failed to put Lambert offside by not being wary of the striker (and don't tell me it's Rafaels job to mark Lambert when he is the only Soton-player in the box)
Why not blame Kagawa who was sleeping when losing the ball
Why not blame Ferdinand who failed to put Lambert offside by not being wary of the striker (and don't tell me it's Rafaels job to mark Lambert when he is the only Soton-player in the box)
He's always going to lose the ariel battle against a striker like Lambert.
The defence hasn't looked good (except for Evra who is doing more on the offensive side of things), it's not helped by the fact our midfield is soft and will lose the ball when they are pressed.
The defence hasn't looked good (except for Evra who is doing more on the offensive side of things), it's not helped by the fact our midfield is soft and will lose the ball when they are pressed.
Could have done better but Lambert is about a foot taller. Could Rio have covered him? Evra also put no pressure on the lad crossing the ball either.
Right after the kickoff after we equalised, he was running around next to the other twp central defenders and the right side was left wide open again. He's not a safe rightback at the moment.
He is dodgy as hell in Our own box. Apart from that he is great At least he is young and can fix these issues.
I don't even think he knew Lambert was behind him for their goal
I don't even think he knew Lambert was behind him for their goal
Does every goal we concede have to be someone's fault? Brilliant centre forward play
Rio has to get Lambert there, imo, Rafael isn't going to be able to handle him in the air. And who was Rio guarding instead? No one, there was no need for him to stay where he was.
If anything Rio, Evra and Kagawa was more to blame. Fantastic leap and header.
It's due to someone's mistake at least. That's the only reason you score goals. Cleverley gave away the ball in our own half.
No way it was Rafael's fault. Would never expect him to beat Lambert. same guy who hasn't lost a header to Vidic or Rio today. Why should Rafel do any better. Besides, as the only striker inside the box, if Rafael is the player on him then someone isn't doing their job.
Not his fault as well when he's offering himself as an option on the flank and Valencia or Carrick are passing sloppily and giving the ball away in dangerous positions. SAF isn't telling Rafael before games to not make those runs and Rafael then proceeds to ignore him completely. You want to attack when you're not winning and you expect our midfielders not to feck up easy passes in midfield and lose possession so easily.
Not much you can do against Lambert unless you wanna play giants at fullback.
Rafael was alright apart from that.
Evra's error much worse.
Rafael was alright apart from that.
Evra's error much worse.
He's very good in both defense and attack. Pleased with him.
Not much he could have done with the goal to be honest. Thought he was good today. The cross he put in for our 2nd was a peach.
As I said in the other thread, I think he's actually quite good at the moment for a full back defensively when he wants to be, however the problem is that he can often be too rash, get forward too often and show his inexperience. He's still young though and he'll learn as he goes.
Cleverley gave him the shit as ball. Lets not let him off the hook just because he's a youth product. Lambert also looked like he was strangling Rafael during the leap; surely that's a foul...?
I missed Evra's blunder for their goal, but he was excellent apart from that.
He also added 100000% more attacking impetus when he had a winger (Nani) to help him out
Away from the 18 yard box his tackling is very good and he does win the ball quite often for us. However, when near the 18 yard box he takes a safety first approach and seems rather nervous defending (usually closes in with his hands up), probably in fear of giving up a penalty or worse.
I don't at all blame him for Lambert's goal, but I think Sir Alex should probably go back to using Jones or Smalling at right back when we play teams who use a big target man as their main attacking threat because Rafael has been victimised quite a bit against these types of players and its not like he's going to grow any taller.
I don't at all blame him for Lambert's goal, but I think Sir Alex should probably go back to using Jones or Smalling at right back when we play teams who use a big target man as their main attacking threat because Rafael has been victimised quite a bit against these types of players and its not like he's going to grow any taller.
I don't see why we should take him out of the team for teams with a big forward up front. Its not the fullbacks job to take care of the big centre forward. We have CB who should be marking the big forward in the centre. Rafael is meant to be cutting out attacks down the side and making it difficult for the other team to put the crosses in. Something that I feel he does fairly well on the whole.
Plus he gives us far more going forward than Smalling and Jones, particularly when he is paired with Valencia in front of him. He should be playing every game that he is fit regardless of opposition IMO. We just need him to cut out his lapses.
The goal wasn't his fault. A beast won a header over him. I'm not worried. Rafael has a great leap and is actually very good in the air for someone his size just like Evra.
This thread is going to get very tedious I think. Every goal that comes from his side is going to be blamed on him by certain posters.
Rafael does suffer from concentration lapses with positioning.
BUT - his tackling, tenacity and attacking is brilliant. Yes brilliant. His tackling technique looks reckless but his percentage of tackles won per tackles put in is excellent. He is so good and so quick that he can pull it off and he does it so consistently that it is far from a fluke.
The Valencia/Rafael combo on the right is devastating and will be one of the strongest components of this United team for years to come.
My new favourite player and if you think he's shit than your an idiot and don't know sports.
This thread is going to get very tedious I think. Every goal that comes from his side is going to be blamed on him by certain posters.
Rafael does suffer from concentration lapses with positioning.
BUT - his tackling, tenacity and attacking is brilliant. Yes brilliant. His tackling technique looks reckless but his percentage of tackles won per tackles put in is excellent. He is so good and so quick that he can pull it off and he does it so consistently that it is far from a fluke.
The Valencia/Rafael combo on the right is devastating and will be one of the strongest components of this United team for years to come.
My new favourite player and if you think he's shit than your an idiot and don't know sports.
Exactly.
If anyone is at fault for this goal it's Kagawa being so sloppy and losing the ball.
But I guess it's not fashionable to blame our new darling for anything.
Cleverley's ball to Kagawa wasnt the best either. Ferdinand dropped very deep and played Lambert onside then was nowhere to deal with a cross.
Lambert is great in the air, its amazing that Rafael won a few duels with him during the match
Lambert is great in the air, its amazing that Rafael won a few duels with him during the match
Kagawa didn't necessairly lose the ball - the pass to him was poor from Cleverley. With that being said, no one could really be blamed for the goal. As mentioned above, Rafael lost a header to a huge striker. Not his fault he's not as tall as Lambert.
I think it was pretty clear that he was given instructions not to overlap as much as he uses to. It was especially obvious because the dynamic changed immediately after we went down 2-1. I think its mismanagement when we deploy a RB like Rafael not to utilise his overlaps and offensive interplay with Valencia the entire game. Rafael isnt about defensive stability, hes about adding numbers in our attack to make it difficult for the opposition defense, having to deal with him as well as Valencia on the right hand side.
Blaming him for the goal is just moronic, as there is nothing he can do no matter how good he is against an aerial powerhouse like Lambert who is 15 cm taller.
Blaming him for the goal is just moronic, as there is nothing he can do no matter how good he is against an aerial powerhouse like Lambert who is 15 cm taller.
The goal was poor team play from start (Cleverley's pass) to finish and no one person's fault. Still a disappointing one to give away.
I wouldn't blame him for the goal. He shouldn't have to win that header. How do you prevent that? Stop the cross. If we have weaknesses (which we do - aerial balls), you've got to do all you can to stop them. We didn't do it against Everton with Fellaini, we didn't do it against Fulham and we didn't do it against Southampton.
When people moan about people saying "you shouldn't let crosses get into the box", it's because we know we'll be exploited. We have two short full backs and one of the least aerially dominant goalkeepers we've had for some time.
If the cross doesn't come in, you haven't got a problem to deal with.
I don't like posts like this. When we're expected to dominate possession, it's okay, but away from home, against a side who's played well so far, he's not an attacked any more. It's suicidal to play without a right back. I don't know why people don't see this. Fulham aren't mugs, yet we played with two 'wing backs' who aren't interested in tracking back, and we were so badly exposed it got embarrassing. Wigan at home is a perfect game for Rafael. We won't really need him to defend as Wigan won't bother attacking, but against half decent sides, who will attack you, you need defenders.
Wow... you actually replied to that.
It was the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here, as if SAF "drops" players because of how they play for their fecking respective countries, I mean, what the flying feck.
Rooney would never play again.
He has a had a decent start to the season.
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