Jenkinson looks to be a good prospect I'd rate, but it's silly to compare them now, they're miles apart in their development.
Either one could end up better in five years who knows.
Either one could end up better in five years who knows.
Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances
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Now where was Juan before all this? He was a center back who passed the ball to a right back that was surrounded by two defenders and then immediately ran forward. Really poor from Juan as well. You don't do that as a center back.
Says the one praising Hulk for a poor game. Hulk was to blame for the 2nd goal. He didn't take one step to mark his man when he made a run. Completely free header.
To be fair Rafael didn't have too much pressure but there was nothing else he could do with Juans pass other than risk a block by lobbing it up field or kicking it out of play.
Where's Pete?
Why are you comparing your first choice RB with our reserve? Try stacking him up v our first choice RB Sagna
We don't have a first choice right back.
You don't have a RB fullstop. You've got a midtable winger and two CBs playing at it.
Why are you comparing your first choice RB with our reserve? Try stacking him up v our first choice RB Sagna
You do realise the difference in ages betwen the both of them? Was Sagna as good as Rafael at 22? Though i reckon you haven't even heard of him until Wenger signed him
That's your issue making a greenhorn 1st choice RB.
And you do realised he isn't exactly our first choice rightback? That position was rotated between Smalling, Jones, Rafael and at times Valencia last season. Who's your first choice leftback? Gibbs, Santos or Vermaelen?
A midtable winger? Please tell me you don't mean Valencia?
Just like Arsenal, Pete's best form (as a WUM) was 6 years ago.
That's Bebe, which makes his point all the more wrong
I think he means Rafael.
So bitter.
If only we had Arsenal's ability to put together a defense, eh?
Yep, which is what Rafael needs to do in the coming seasons. He's still a liability for us at the back right now, if he gets his game together he won't be far off.
Rafael's clearly a fantastic young right back. I can't believe the obscurity we picked those two from, and the price we got them for.
Such a troll.
You've been on here long enough, it's about time you showed some evidence of having the first clue about football. Being a yank is no excuse.
Like Pete, I still find him unconvincing as a defender. Jones is quite capable of pushing him out of the side, as he did for parts of last season.
His main weakness imo are his brainfarts and his concentration slips.
On the other hand he has developed a lot since arriving at the club.
When I first saw him play at RB he looked so awkward defensively and now he usually looks like he can disposes even the best wingers in the country with ease.
The bad thing is that all counts for nothing if he has 2-3 of these concentration slips every big game which end up costing us the game, also him being a bit over motivated and aggressive in some games isn't helping either.
He needs to stay more calm in certain situations, maybe take a bit less risk and keep up his concentration 100% of the time and he is going to be one of the best FBs in the world but it's an experience thing, he can only get more composed if he gets a lot of playing time at the highest level under his belt.
Another things is we need to think about if we can afford to have two very offensive minded fullbacks in our squad when the shielding of our defense from the midfield is already fairly thin to begin with.
Especially in a 4-4-2 with Clev and Ando or Kagawa we have a problem if not only both CMs but also both our FBs decide it's time to push forward.
On the other hand he has developed a lot since arriving at the club.
When I first saw him play at RB he looked so awkward defensively and now he usually looks like he can disposes even the best wingers in the country with ease.
The bad thing is that all counts for nothing if he has 2-3 of these concentration slips every big game which end up costing us the game, also him being a bit over motivated and aggressive in some games isn't helping either.
He needs to stay more calm in certain situations, maybe take a bit less risk and keep up his concentration 100% of the time and he is going to be one of the best FBs in the world but it's an experience thing, he can only get more composed if he gets a lot of playing time at the highest level under his belt.
Another things is we need to think about if we can afford to have two very offensive minded fullbacks in our squad when the shielding of our defense from the midfield is already fairly thin to begin with.
Especially in a 4-4-2 with Clev and Ando or Kagawa we have a problem if not only both CMs but also both our FBs decide it's time to push forward.
I didn't see the game or what happened but thats a bit much IMO.
That's ridiculous.
I don't think i've ever seen anything like that before.... I'm stunned.
I'm stunned.It's not that bad. They didn't really blame him, more just said he made a mistake but will come out of it a stronger player
Kind of distasteful, imo. I can see the Brazilian FA still hurting very much.
yep. To point the kid out is crazy. He played his part getting them to the final. Brazil lost because going forward they weren't good enough and credit to Mexico they were. I think they've been unprofessional with their comments.
Brazil squad defends Manchester United defender Rafael.
Its stating the obvious but it seems necessary given some of the comment. Anyone would think Peralta didn't need to beat another defender and the goalie when he intercepted Rafael's pass the way his mistake was described on the Brazilian football federations webpage.
Its stating the obvious but it seems necessary given some of the comment. Anyone would think Peralta didn't need to beat another defender and the goalie when he intercepted Rafael's pass the way his mistake was described on the Brazilian football federations webpage.
Not easy to play for the Brazilian national team. Win the World Cup and do it in Samba style or get booed of the pitch. Even Ronaldinho crumbled under the pressure in 2006. I expect Menezes to get fired now. The Olympics were a big thing in Brazil.
Neymar sounds.....humble.
Of course he was at fault for that goal, and that sounds more like defending him than blaming tbf.
The keeper should have done much better.You cannot be beaten so easily on your near post like that
No mention of Hulk's marking on Mexico's crucial second? Hrm...
from the POV of united who gives a feck what hulk did/does? he doesn't play for the club rafael does.
what is it about United players being the fall guys at international tournaments
rafael fecked up for the first goal but Brazil were shit
goldenballs Neymar/Hulk etc.. did feck all and Mexico deserved the win with some excellent defending
mexico played as a team and thats why they won it
rafael fecked up for the first goal but Brazil were shit
goldenballs Neymar/Hulk etc.. did feck all and Mexico deserved the win with some excellent defending
mexico played as a team and thats why they won it
So he should - he had them playing like Harlem Globetrotters instead of a football team.
The guy Rafael was passing to fell asleep - he could see the Mexican player, who was on Rafael's blind side. The two CBs let Peralta run free and the keeper was beaten at his near post from well outside the area. So, yes, it was obviously Rafael's fault.
He's a great player. Adds tremendous amounts in attack and can be an effective defender although I think he struggles for consistency. Defence-wise he reminds me of Gary Neville in the struggle for consistency early on in his career.
TBH in critical games he can tend to make HUGE mistakes - Bayern Munich, Everton, Mexico!
TBH in critical games he can tend to make HUGE mistakes - Bayern Munich, Everton, Mexico!
Mexico played better over 90 minutes. Brazil couldn't do much the whole game. Neymar missed from 10 yards out. Oscar couldn't score in the last minute. And to solely blame on one player. no no.
Most young defenders do. Heck most players do! He needs games.
He's currently played 3851 minutes in 52 games for us. He only played 912 minutes last season which is less than his first season for us in 08/09.
I think he'll continue to struggle with his form until he gets a steady run of games. As for the Everton game...
The previous 5 games he played and we kept 5 clean sheets, scoring 14 goals and missing only 17mins of play. Then the team had a bad day with Rafael guilty of some defensive errors. Just one of those days, I remember that game so vividly too.
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