I think we won every league he played bar the Chelsea and Everton draws since xmas
is this right?
is this right?
Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances
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He may make mistakes, but I fecking love Rafael. He's mental but brilliant.
Hope he comes back stronger next season. I'm concerned about the effect of Fabio being loaned out though.
Hope he comes back stronger next season. I'm concerned about the effect of Fabio being loaned out though.
This season he will have grown up a lot. Fergie knows how to motivate players.
He will have learned from his mistakes and be a superb player for us.
He will have learned from his mistakes and be a superb player for us.
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It really was one of the worst performances I've seen from a United player. Evans vs West Ham last year is right up there. The overall performance may not have been so bad, but to directly be at fault for three goals at home is beyond atrocious. It's bad to be at fault for one, home or away, two is a nightmare, three is unthinkable.
People talk about his positioning being poor, I wouldn't say it's his positioning as much as his concentration (although one may underpin the other). You cannot switch off in defence. I mean the goal Muniain scored against us epitomised Rafael. You had De Gea sprinting to the ball, and it still wasn't enough to convince Rafael to defend. Muniain wasn't even in shot at first, that's how far he was allowed to run and score. It's mistakes like these that cost you titles. He hasn't offered enough productivity going forward for me to be allowed any leeway defensively. He goes forward, and that's about it - he offers a number. And yes it opens space up, but to be honest, it's the minimum you expect from a full back at a top club. Smalling and Jones both do it, and they're both better defenders than him.
He needs to really up his game next season. With Vidic back, places in defence are going to be harder to come by.
Fairly meaningless stat considering we won most games after christmas. Didn't he play against Wigan too?
no, Jones did and we lost the goal that side
it's a fairly significant stat i reckon
and one which might suprise some people
well a bit of competition from maybe Clyne next season will help him improve, i would have loved to have Gary Neville or someone like Irwin at the club teaching him his defensive duties and awareness.
Will he? How do we know this exactly? He's currently an injury and error prone player who has almost single handely managed to knock us out of three competitions over the last few years.
single handedly? He's also 22..... anything wrong with having a bit of faith in our young players?
When did Rafael became caf's scapegoat?
When Evans hit a bit of form presumably.
Rafael will be a phenomenal full-back, he just needs to mature a little bit more.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...raises-rafael-da-silva-maturity.aspx?pageNo=1
Well the goal came from a corner.
Mainly since the Everton game, which everybody is pinning as the game which cost us the title. He had a pretty big say in that. His performance still angers me now.
He's also 22..... anything wrong with having a bit of faith in our young players?
He's been in and around the first team for four years and is still a very injury and error prone player. That's the reality.
He was very lucky to play again this season after the Bilbao home leg and frankly after his Everton ''performance'' I'd be tempted to send him out on loan with his brother. They can go and cost some other team for a season.
But I don't understand why, he was nothing worse then rest of our team/defence.
First goal cannot be his fault, you can't expect him to win header against Jelavic, plus it was great goal, Jelavic will never score goal like that. If there is someone to blame for this goal, than it's evra. What the hell is he doing at 0:20?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rua5e-7mOWc
Second goal: Rafael has nothing to do with it, Fellaini totally unmarked by our CBs and midfielders, Evra again out of position.
Third goal: Rio and Evans messed it up, it's not rafael's fault both of them cannot mark one player properly.
Fourth goal: It's Rafael's mistake without a doubt, he was too lazy too track, but once again, Fellaini doing whatever he wants too against Evans.
To sum up, Rafael didn't have his best defensive game, but neither did other players in defence. Our team stopped playing after our fourth goal. Fergie didn't do us any favour not changing anything, our first sub came after 87 minutes, and it's not the first time we are not using the subs. We experienced same thing last year at Goodison, we conceeded two goals in injury time, I think we didn't make single substitution in that game.
Can't believe I'm doing this again.
First goal, clearly ballwatching, meaning he's so far away from Jelavic, he can't even put a challenge in. He'd have made a difficult header impossible to score from.
Second goal, Evans just wasn't close enough. Simple as.
Third goal, as you say, the centre backs didn't do a good enough job, but let's face it, you can't win them all against Fellaini, sometimes the best you can do is just put a challenge in, which they did, there were two of them. Rafael, once again, not close enough. If you watch the goal in real time, you'll see Evans (I think) and Rafael trading Jelavic, and when the ball goes in the air, Rafael's 'marking' him, then Evans goes to challenge. Rafael wasn't close enough to him, and he got his shot away, and scored. It's all it takes from Jelavic, most of his goals are just one-touch finishing.
Fourth goal, well, just no words for this one. This is an absolute disgrace. With just five minutes to go, knowing a win would almost seal the title, and you can't even be arsed to run five yards to stay with his man? When Fellaini turns, Pienaar gets away from him. Look where he is, what is he doing there? It's amateurish defending, which you could excuse once in a game, possibly, but he did it three times, each one resulting in a goal, which has cost us the title.
For all the mistakes, individually, and on the whole, we've made this season, such as De Gea against Blackburn, Ferdinand, Evra and Evans vs City and others, his game against Everton was top of them all.
First goal, clearly ballwatching, meaning he's so far away from Jelavic, he can't even put a challenge in. He'd have made a difficult header impossible to score from.
Second goal, Evans just wasn't close enough. Simple as.
Third goal, as you say, the centre backs didn't do a good enough job, but let's face it, you can't win them all against Fellaini, sometimes the best you can do is just put a challenge in, which they did, there were two of them. Rafael, once again, not close enough. If you watch the goal in real time, you'll see Evans (I think) and Rafael trading Jelavic, and when the ball goes in the air, Rafael's 'marking' him, then Evans goes to challenge. Rafael wasn't close enough to him, and he got his shot away, and scored. It's all it takes from Jelavic, most of his goals are just one-touch finishing.
Fourth goal, well, just no words for this one. This is an absolute disgrace. With just five minutes to go, knowing a win would almost seal the title, and you can't even be arsed to run five yards to stay with his man? When Fellaini turns, Pienaar gets away from him. Look where he is, what is he doing there? It's amateurish defending, which you could excuse once in a game, possibly, but he did it three times, each one resulting in a goal, which has cost us the title.
For all the mistakes, individually, and on the whole, we've made this season, such as De Gea against Blackburn, Ferdinand, Evra and Evans vs City and others, his game against Everton was top of them all.
Spot on Liam. Some people on here might like to pretend it never happened but you can be damn sure that Fergie will have analyzed what went wrong against Everton.
I'm expecting (hoping) that we'll sign both a new right and left back this Summer. When you consider how well Carrick and Scholes have done to hold the fort in central midfield then overall I'd say that the weakest part of our game this season has undoubtedly been the full-back play.
I'm expecting (hoping) that we'll sign both a new right and left back this Summer. When you consider how well Carrick and Scholes have done to hold the fort in central midfield then overall I'd say that the weakest part of our game this season has undoubtedly been the full-back play.
Where was Evra for their two goals?
Rafael to blame for three goals against Everton? Even the one where Evans ran into Rio who then wasn't able to head the ball away, which dropped right in front of an Everton player? How was Rafael to prevent that? It was shit defending by Evans!
It's always Rafael's fault because he's Brazilian and good offensively so he cannot possibly be good defensively, see Dani Alves.
Someone has to be the scapegoat, that much I have figured - if it isn't Evra, then it must be Rafael. Sure, he wasn't great against Everton, but Evans was piss poor too!
3 goals my fecking arse.
The first one Rafael jumps about 2 feet away from Jelavic. So he's guilty of losing a header at the by-line to a taller man. He had no right to score from there.
The 3rd one, Fellaini wins a header against our two centre halfs and the ball falls closest to Jelavic again. It might be difficult to comprehend but you can't defend every blade of grass. If the ball dropped 6 inches to the right, Rafael clears it and we all praise his great block.
The 4th one I'll give you. He should be following Pienaar, but when you're 5 yards from goal it's very difficult to track runners so closely. To say he is directly at fault for 3 goals is utter nonsense.
The first one Rafael jumps about 2 feet away from Jelavic. So he's guilty of losing a header at the by-line to a taller man. He had no right to score from there.
The 3rd one, Fellaini wins a header against our two centre halfs and the ball falls closest to Jelavic again. It might be difficult to comprehend but you can't defend every blade of grass. If the ball dropped 6 inches to the right, Rafael clears it and we all praise his great block.
The 4th one I'll give you. He should be following Pienaar, but when you're 5 yards from goal it's very difficult to track runners so closely. To say he is directly at fault for 3 goals is utter nonsense.
What's the deal with this Clyne as all I ever see on here is people discussing him as though he is our player. Has this guy even signed?
Somewhere else. At first I blamed him about as much as Rafael, but you see that he isn't marking their full back (Hibbert), he's marking their winger. Personally I'd rather they marked zonally there, so Nani can mark whoever's furthest from our goal, apparently they didn't. So you could blame Nani (I certainly won't, his contributions up the other end were more than enough to seal any game).
To be honest I think there was some lack of communication there. But Evans doesn't need to stay with Jelavic, he's Rafael's man, meaning he can go and challenge for the ball in the air. But as numerous posters have pointed out (before he came our best player of course), that he's 'shit in the air'. Whether or not he is, is another debate, the simple fact is, neither of them two are as tall or strong as Fellaini. Vidic would've done a better job I'm sure, being taller and stronger than Evans and Rio, but that's just something we've had to deal with. Could they have done better? Probably, it was lucky the ball fell where it did, but why isn't Rafael closer? Why is he giving him room in the area? Thirty yards out if he's standing off, fair enough, you don't need to commit yourself, but where else was Jelavic going to go? He had one option, to shoot, which means Rafael had one job, block the shot. Once again he was too far away.
Don't get me wrong, the defence on the whole were bad. You don't concede four at home after playing a blinder, but it was no coincidence that three out of four goals went in from Rafael's man. Credit to Jelavic, he made the most of two difficult chances. As has been said, he had no right to score the first goal, but it was made possible by the fact he had a free header. That is undeniable fact. You can argue about the third goal all day long, my opinion is that if the centre backs are unable to win the header, the full back (or another covering defender) should be there to prevent the shot. The ball was floated into the area, Fellaini could only knock it down, Rafael clearly wasn't prepared for that. But we'll have to agree to disagree on that. The fourth, and ultimately decisive goal, has been universally agreed to be Rafael's fault. So that's at least two out of four undeniably.
Evans headed the fecking ball into the back of Rio's head, as I said, you haven't a clue.
The ball fell nicely for the striker and poorly for the full-back.
Its funny how we go on about CM so much but isolated games of madness in defence have really fecked us over. Blackburn,City,Everton at home. Our defence has been brilliant for most of the season. We have the most clean sheets. We just had a few games where we defended like a bottom 4 team. I mean four goals at home to Everton? That said if our midlfield controled the game better.............
The 4th one was awful but the others weren't his fault. The caf demonstrating once again that football fans interpret events based on how they judge a player.
Right well if he did (which I'm not saying couldn't happen, the ball did seem to come off Fellaini's head strangely), then fair enough, but even still I'd say that they're both equally to blame. Rafael still has to do a better job of closing Jelavic down, but of course Evans has misjudged his header. I still put the first and last goals on him.
Some are being overly harsh. But some criticism of him is correct. It is often quite easy to pick holes in him for his defensive work. Lets hope he does learn from these mistakes.
Also we have seen it before after bad results. Fergie takes issue with a certain player (normally for good reason) and drops them.
I am not 100% sure Rafael and Fabio are future fullbacks for the club. But we shall see
Also we have seen it before after bad results. Fergie takes issue with a certain player (normally for good reason) and drops them.
I am not 100% sure Rafael and Fabio are future fullbacks for the club. But we shall see
How about Fergies shit house tactics? Failure to attend to a glaring issue in our midfield and constantly playing two 35+year old players that can't even finish a fecking game to a reasonable standard. It's fine laying the blame on Rafael but he wasn't the cause for any of our cup failures or goals against City and co. He's 22 for fecks sakes and has given Fergie enough reason to constantly pick him. If there is one young player that should go out loan, that's phil jones.
Fine to scape goat him for one game, but there were 36 other games played this season and some of them that we lost or drew. Up until that Everton game nobody would even dare say he'd had a bad season, now feckwits are running wild saying he's not good enough.
Well feck me if a 22 year old can't make mistakes, why do we even bother with bringing in younger players.
First of all, are you completely clueless? Do you think Fergie should be donating his wage to the Manchester United Midfield Transfer Fund? Everybody knows we don't have money, that isn't his fault. Even David Gill comes before Fergie on that front. Secondly, everybody has praised Scholes since his return, yet you pick on that, and Giggs, well, when does Giggs play? Certainly not constantly, try, sparingly.
And just to clarify in case that was aimed at me, I've never said he's not good enough. I'm not sure who has.
Scholes has filled a gap in our midfield, but his performance after 60 minutes when he has started most games have left nothing to be desired. You can quite clearly see when the puff runs out and why he retired in the first place. But the fact he has filled a hole that desperately needed filling has given him massive reprieve when his performances dropped off in games 'that is of course not to say he hasn't been fantastic when he's had puff'.
People need to move out of this sentimentality attitude and look what players bring to the table for a full 90 minutes. Gigg's is probably on his last legs as a player for United. I don't see how we can go into next season and think he'll be more than a rarely used squad player. Scholes should probably go back to retirement and enjoy it. He's got rid of the demons of his last proper year where he was a bit part player, and showed the world once again how good he is.
Scholes will always be a great passer of the ball and have a fantastic mind, but even now you can see the sharpness is diminishing and the pace is taking its toll. Giggs will always be a fantastic dribbler and have a great eye for pass, but he's not able to deal with players pressuring him. Both are on the road to Garry Neville style declines and I really don't want to see that. Not from those two.
Also that money argument is a load of crap. We put 60 million down on players last year. Just because we don't go and piss it away on half baked talent, doesn't mean it isn't there.
People need to move out of this sentimentality attitude and look what players bring to the table for a full 90 minutes. Gigg's is probably on his last legs as a player for United. I don't see how we can go into next season and think he'll be more than a rarely used squad player. Scholes should probably go back to retirement and enjoy it. He's got rid of the demons of his last proper year where he was a bit part player, and showed the world once again how good he is.
Scholes will always be a great passer of the ball and have a fantastic mind, but even now you can see the sharpness is diminishing and the pace is taking its toll. Giggs will always be a fantastic dribbler and have a great eye for pass, but he's not able to deal with players pressuring him. Both are on the road to Garry Neville style declines and I really don't want to see that. Not from those two.
Also that money argument is a load of crap. We put 60 million down on players last year. Just because we don't go and piss it away on half baked talent, doesn't mean it isn't there.
So, we've got a new spacegoat? Good.
Evra shouldn't be coming into their their player in those situations, especially for their first goal. Gibson(?) was already marked by scholes and he was going into Nani's direction, so we already have two players marking gibson with the ball and you expect Evra to cover Hibbert, but no. Evra is the third player coming to mark Gibson, leaving hibbert totally free. It's totally nonsense defending by Evra there, he shouldn't be anywhere near Gibson.
Evra was getting caught out of the position for whole game against Everton, Nani was covering his ass every time. I remember one scene in game where Nani's reaction said everything about Evra's defending that day, even crowd went wild. Nani was marking tight some of their players expecting Evra to cover their winger, or fullback, but Evra once again out of nowhere came into midfield to double their player with the ball and leaving their winger/fullback totally unmarked once again.
Nani isn't Valencia when it comes to defending, but I swear against Everton he did more job in defence than Evra, who is defender btw.
I posted his positioning for both the Hibbert assists.Take a look. At both times he was casually walking.
I remember that, that's why I'm defending Rafael. He was nothing worse than our other fullback(captain btw).
The goal v Wigan came from a corner on the right backs side
This game was important too
Rafael didn't play and wasn't at fault
...which shouldn't have been a corner. Don't think we can blame Phil Jones for being right in appealing for the goal kick that he should've had and Wigan taking the opportunity to play it quick while everybody else was asleep too (especially Rooney) .
We have money.
What did we use to buy Jones, Young and De Gea last year? Glass beads?
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