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Racism in Italy - even anti-racism is filled with racism
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Being black myself, having lived in french neighborhoods full of diversity for close to 24 years and having some family living in France still.
Tbh I shouldn't have said "a lot", it amplified it too much but the point remains
Do you think there's a possibility that this type of "That is absolutely 0% racism, move on" attitude will encourage people who feel that they may have been treated unfairly because of their skin colour to raise the issue and seek for support? Do you think that kind of attitude can also be detrimental to the cause? Not talking about this case only, thinking about this in a bigger picture.
No, I agree with your posts.
That’s disingenuous and very dismissive of the prejudice we’ve been subjected to for generations.
point is that Maradona wasn't biggest goal scorer for Napoli back then must most iconic player.
Same as Kvara isn't being crowned for his most assists and goals done.
Else would we name any poacher as Maradona heir? Maradona was a master class player with dribbles and much more than just poaching.
That's pointless victimism as some say.
Same as Kvara isn't being crowned for his most assists and goals done.
Else would we name any poacher as Maradona heir? Maradona was a master class player with dribbles and much more than just poaching.
That's pointless victimism as some say.
I am but one person, I don't speak to anybody about a subject like this in general. It's way too dividing so I wouldn't know how it'd influence people.
This is what I said afterwards
It's my experience of the subject just like you have yours, I will never dare to judge how you or anybody else view things, that's not my place just like I don't care what people think of mine.
Do you think it's worth thinking about for those who approach discussions like this with a definitive "no".
But isn’t that what you’re doing by saying lots of black people take comfort in playing the victim? I get you exaggerated but it’s a massive generalisation about people’s struggles that you probably don’t have much insight into.
Each situation is different, some require a firm "no" because they're nonsensical, some are too tough to have a definitive answer and some are 100% legit cases of racism. There isn't a single perfect approach
You cannot tell me I have no insight on the subject because you disagree with me. It may be anecdotal but I have decades worth of experience on the subject and I'm perfectly fine with how I see things. You're right, I did initially exagerrate for sure but like I said, the point remains
I didn’t say you don’t have internet insight but I don’t think you have enough to be as sure of people’s motive as you are. Unless people are telling you explicitly that they’re intentionally claiming racism to further their own agenda I think it’d be good to be a bit more empathetic. We’re all shaped by our own experiences and perspective, and although some claims of racism are definitely inaccurate, it’s unfair to victimise the accusers considering what we've generally been subjected to.
Just yesterday, black British actress Adjoa Andoh complained on TV that during the Royal coronation the balcony looked terribly white and she was very "struck" by that even though it is reserved for members of the Royal "family". I wonder who was she expecting on there, Skepta? John Boyega? Idris Elba maybe?
She was rinsed in the comments by black Britain's for the exactly what you query
It's not internet insight though, it's been part of my life.
He was their biggest goalscorer
I'll ignore the racist overtones of your post and point out that the Royal Family in fact has non-white members. Again black people saying that something is not racist doesn't necessarily make it not racist. That's an old trick.
Good post.
Sorry that was a typo, I meant to say ‘I’m not saying you don’t have any insight’.
Gasperini defending the Atlanta fans who abused Vlahovic today:
+++ #Gasperini : "Pasalic, Djimsiti play in Atalanta, Ilicic, Sutalo and many players of that ethnic group have played here and things have to be differentiated: sometimes there are insults for other things, the racism is very serious and should not be confused"+++ #AtalantaJuventus
+++ #Gasperini : "Pasalic, Djimsiti play in Atalanta, Ilicic, Sutalo and many players of that ethnic group have played here and things have to be differentiated: sometimes there are insults for other things, the racism is very serious and should not be confused"+++ #AtalantaJuventus
Thought I was reading a Daily Mail article for a sec! Good one.
Why the feck should they wave his flag if they don't feel like it? Why is it mandatorily linked to the skin color?
Both players have been exceptional and, each in their own way, key to the Scudetto, yet people have personal preferences. Just like Maradona, Kvara is an artist on the ball and there are fans more enamoured with his skills an playmaking than Osimhen's pure goal scoring. Others think that the latter was the more important player. Both are entitled to their own opinion and free to express it as they see fit. It doesn't downplay Osimhen's contribution in any way. As much as italian football is absolutely rife with racism, trying to find it in every single picture or word is completely counter-productive. It's reaching absolutely ridiculous levels nowadays.
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No worries bro.
Racist overtones? I am black British myself so you are reaching here mate.
Secondly, who are all these non white members? I thought they were German, English and Greek origin?
The royal family have non white members? I genuinely didn’t know this.
Eric Cantona only lead United in goals 2 times in 5 seasons and he has God status. Why is it so hard for Man United fans of all people to think that a attacking player can have a huge impact without stats?
Why do you think that being black means that you can't make a post that has racist overtones?
Also, why are people confused? Have you all missed the furore over Meghan Markle and her children?
Edit: I'm aware that we are veering off topic here so enough about the Royals from me.
It's off topic, but as this is an international forum it doesn't hurt to compare different perspectives to understand each others posts. So I can honestly say that I have now idea what furore you mean, and I guess most people who don't live in the Commonwealth and who don't care much about celebrity gossip don't know it either. The royal family is simply irrelevant to us.
No worries bro
I wish it was irrelevant to people here too.
I have no problems if people discuss racism in football. As long as it exist it should be talked about when necessary. But we don't need to find racism where there isn't racism. I have no idea how he could see and interpret racism in that picture. If he saw Napoli games this season I think he would change his mind. I'm pretty sure about that.
He is nicknamed Kvaradona because he have been brilliant this season and have great skills. Not close to Maradona but with some similarities. Him and Osimhen are two major influences in this Napoli team. Osimhen more a goalscorer while Kvaratskhelia have more to his game.
Of course there is racism in Italy. There is in pretty much ever country. However, lets not invent racism where there isn't.
Who did this? You’re doing exactly what I highlighted earlier in the post, the tweet you’re upset over doesn’t actually mention ‘racism’ does it? You’re removing all nuance because how dare someone highlight an issue that doesn’t hit whatever your explicit opinion of what constitutes racism is.
He highlights how a racist league, Serie A is certainly a racist league, chooses to highlight certain faces ahead of others. No one has said Kvaratskhelia is particularly less deserving, the tweeter is simply highlighting the tone deafness at play.
She was probably highlighting how unfortunate it is that the few black members of the Royal family weren’t particularly made to feel welcome at such events.
She was ‘rinsed’ by who cause as a Black Britain I can assure you I’m not one of the monolith you speak of here.
Skepta ffs! Thanks for revealing yourself.
It didn't need to blatantly say "racism" to actually be about it. Nothing else was hinted at, you know it, I know it and we all know it.
Again, people can say whatever the feck, I don't give a shit, just like I don't give a shit if you don't like what I say. By all means, denounce racism whether it's warranted or not, people can do whatever they want. All I did was share my opinion, if you don't like it, big deal...
You don’t but you usually do for people like yourself to base their whole argument around it. He could as much be highlighting the tone deaf way Serie A treat their black players as calling them outright racists.
There are levels to this discussion you’re proving blatantly inadequate of comprehending. You can’t get upset over an accusation of ‘racism’ because you’re too blinkered to see the further discussion.
Let’s say he is calling them racist [you know without actually calling them racist], you aren’t the official on its merits lad. I’m black & I don’t think it’s ‘racist’, I think it’s typical of that league to not treat their black players on their merit but pedestaling 77 over 9 isn’t a surprise to me - do I think race plays a role? Probably but it’s a bigger discussion than the word you can’t get over.
That's the thing though, I'm not upset at all by how people react when it comes to certain things. I know the type of people I dislike and those who I avoid at all cost.
You really seem to think I'm interested in discussing
I really don't. I said my peace and there ain't nothing you could do about it.I fail to understand why you care so much about what I think, like I'm holding some sort of power of persuasion over large groups of people
Fixed.
Mate just enjoy the game, we’ve had more than enough of you waffling on about how you ‘don’t care’ about something somebody never said & you made up. You know a discussion is reaching its end when it becomes about how much one ‘doesn’t care’.
It was a joke. Must all humour die in the cafe?
Funny what threads people chose for humour on this forum, one that takes itself awfully seriously more often than not.
Thanks for clearing it up though.
Who's we again ? Who do you speak for ? I never meant to have a discussion with you,you just slithered yourself into it
Do piss offVlahovic was racially abused today