Not really. If anything I would say fans like Kvara more(more entertaining) but love Osimhen more. Nigerian flags are around, Osimhen is more of a folk hero due to how he wears his heart on a sleeve, has been there a while and really took to the city and people
Racism in Italy - even anti-racism is filled with racism
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I don't think there would have been any discussion if they used Osimhen instead of Kvara for that picture
Osimhen is loved in Naples.
The first baby named after Kvratshkelia happened a couple of months ago
The first baby named after Kvratshkelia happened a couple of months ago
Okay, let’s disagree on that.
1. Oh great - for the umpteenth time then, since goals and assists are not the standard, what makes a main man to you?
2. 27 to 22 doesn't make a lot of difference in terms of how a season pans out? 5 winning or equalizing moments provide "not a lot of difference" in the big picture?
We learn every day.
Oh, and what would be your proof that ordinary Napoli fans agree with you?
For what its worth Kvaradona has 7 decisive goals, which is best in the league. Second best is 5 goals, which is shared between seven players, including Osimhen.
I go to Naples a lot, I know a lot of Neapolitans - both living in the city and elsewhere -
I also just watch the league in general
Didnt realise that Osimaradona was a thing.
I understand why people want to link racism because of the history of Italy and Serie A but there is nothing in this. It’s Maradona with the crown and Kvaradona has been a nickname used globally for the player receiving the crown. There is a direct link and he’s been arguably their best and most key player (along with Osimhen).
I understand why people want to link racism because of the history of Italy and Serie A but there is nothing in this. It’s Maradona with the crown and Kvaradona has been a nickname used globally for the player receiving the crown. There is a direct link and he’s been arguably their best and most key player (along with Osimhen).
1. Oh great - for the umpteenth time then, since goals and assists are not the standard, what makes a main man to you?
2. 27 to 22 doesn't make a lot of difference in terms of how a season pans out? 5 winning or equalizing moments provide "not a lot of difference" in the big picture?
We learn every day.
Oh, and what would be your proof that ordinary Napoli fans agree with you?
Interesting point, who had the more deciding moments during the season?
Fair enough. I am suprised a lot by people being racist/homophobic/transphobic etc over the dumbest stuff
I wouldn't know, one poster above claims Kvara did.
So would that make him the main man?
Osimhen had more big moments i would say. More decisive contributions i don't know. Different players, Kvara is far more involved on the ball in their build up and generating attacks, Osimhen is more of a pure finisher but he's genuinely pulled off some crazy decisive goals out of nowhere too. As i said before, it's a coin toss between them for who was the best player of the season
Indeed it is. I'd argue Kvicha was the main man during the first part of the season and Osimhen the second. Its splitting hairs at this point but the player who was more pleasing on the eye was Kvicha even though Osimhen scored some fantastic goals (Roma for example)
Fair enough. Are you in or around Naples?
That's fair. I've seen plenty of references online to them both being 'kings' or 'princes' of Naples anyway so it's not really a controversial thing. Obviously Kvara is more of a successor to Maradona in play-style but VO has some of his spirit. I'm pretty sure he would have given props to both of them if he was here to see this.
I think it's pretty obvious why it was Kvaratskhelia chosen for that picture, and to my knowledge the Neapolitans really love both of them, so claiming racism here is a big, big reach in my opinion.
Saying that "There definitely is some sort of underlying racism here" is absolutely nonsensical, @UnitedSofa.
Saying that "There definitely is some sort of underlying racism here" is absolutely nonsensical, @UnitedSofa.
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In isolation, would it?
first league title in 33 years for them
So it’s pretty huge. And he has been exceptional.
No there definitely is. While Osimhen is escaping most of the usual stereotypes(lazy, inconsistent, etc) one only has to compare the way Kvara has been talked about vs how Leao is talked about to notice it
It's a bit of a reach to blame that image on racism, but racism likely did play a part too imo
It was much easier when it was Maradona, who had all the influence, all the flair and was also the top scorer when they won their titles. And that's no disrespect to the other top players they had at the time.
A) Who has done this?
B) What on earth would make you think that on a football forum of all places Kvaratskhelia’s contributions would not be noted.
This is the exact kind of strawman nonsense that pops up in these discussions. No one is questioning Kvaratskhelia, absolute shambles of an attempt to subvert the topic.
This is Kvaratskhelia's first season in Italy and he lit up the league whilst winning it and playing exceptional football, in a team where he is the most entertaining player if we just look at his playstyle and exlude stats (which are still pretty solid). Leao on the other hand is in 6th place and he's not as "exciting" to the casual fan as the Georgian is.
I consider Leao the better player, for what it's worth.
Leao was Kvaratskhelia last season
Can’t believe we got 3 pages out of that innocuous cartoon. Good stuff
I don't think people were talking about last year's Milan team as much as this Napoli team. And still, I think it's simply down to Kvaratskhelia being a really exciting dribbler whilst still being very efficient and not just a showboater.
I don't think it's true that goals and assists always determine who the main man is. That's quite reductive.
Ant see him staying. This Napoli team will get picked apart in the summer.
That pretty much sums it up I guess.
Unbelievable
Not even calling you out per se here, just
Please elaborate.
You answered to a post in which I mentioned the difference in the way people here talked about Leao vs Kvara by using a perfect exemple of what I was talking about (efficient vs showboating)
Leao was quite comfortably Serie A’s MVP last season. Pretty certain there was no debating that at all…
I despise people who use racism as a justification for things they deem wrong in their eyes when it is not 100% clear to be the case.
Italian football is sick at its core institution but I still don't see any racism in crowning Kvara as they're king, he's closer in style to Maradona, has been more available than Victor.
You don't know anything about me to know what should or should not trigger me my friend
This is exactly what I mean. If one wants to denounce a real concrete case of racism, it has to be clearer than this present situation. Racism cannot resorted to as the only explanation as to why a black person isn't given something
Sorry, I didn't mean that Leao is just all tricks with no end product if that's what you think. I consider him to actually be better than Kvaratskhelia, but not as flashy, I guess that's a better explanation.
Yeah this is dumb now
There's even more to it - Maradona was nicknamed "O rrè" at Naples, that is "the king". This 'crowning' clearly refers to chosing his heir. Kvara was nicked "Kvaradona" already before, so pretty much no racism.