You cant possibly be serious?
Racism in Italy - even anti-racism is filled with racism
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Yeah, now when you Google it you can find some naming her - Cecilia Salvai. That's good. Many still say along the lines of 'showing a player'. But it's good that others now say that it was Cecilia Salvai that's performed the racist impression. Hopefully she'll be punished individually, as she should be, and held to account for her actions - rather than just Juventus, the club, apologising and that being the end of it. Or just the social media person being held to account for their part.
She hasn't apologized since that tweet yet as far as i know. She should be punished accordingly.
Awful tweet, wtf were they thinking?
Wait say what?
Who wrote this apology?
"the tweet was not meant to have any racial undertones"
You're having a laugh
"the tweet was not meant to have any racial undertones"
You're having a laugh
Misogyny is prejudice against women. This is the opposite of that.
If anything it would be misandry.
That letter in the OP… Jesus wept.
I think the suggestion was that she wasn't being named to protect her from misogynistic abuse, not that the act of naming her would be misogyny. Which is silly, she did a racist gesture and should be forced to come out and apologise.
In reality, the reason her name wasn't plastered everywhere was probably because most didn't know who it was, and they couldn't be bothered to find out.
What the feck.It was this
I ask myself how it is possible, but then I remember many other times such obviously racist stuff has happened.
Still no personal apology from her? Wow
Ah ok. That makes sense.
No as of today. But her instagram account has been bombed by called her racist out since the news broke. Her phone should be buzzing all the time.
Is the social media manager now Bonucci ? jfc.
The initial point got expanded more in a later post and I think it was more about how being a lot more discreet and less brutal about a female player, could be seen as the 'women must be protected more than men' attitude - which gets interpreted as Misogyny rather than a benefit.
Whereas, as Sparx99 says, more brutally and aggressively going after male players who do something like this than female players could just as easily be described as misandry.
I think Halftrack makes a valid point that ignorance over the female players name maybe played a part in it. But it was a big story, and she's an Italian international playing for the team who won the Italian league, so I'm fairly certain it wouldn't have been that difficult to find out had they wanted to - which they damn well should have done given she was the one doing the blatant racism.
But I think the fact the term 'Misogyny' is even being debated here already, and the fact fears about 'misogynistic abuse' against the racist might happen, highlights the difference in reporting negatively on female players than on male players. The latter is seen as part and parcel of the job, that you'll get good and bad attention in the press. The former is immediately open to the accusation of misogynism and so (male) reporters are more likely to steer clear of it and be far less ruthless against female players even with racist incidents like this.
The issue is that racism towards Asians isn't taken seriously. But it's nice to see a lot of people standing up against it in this thread.
No racial undertones meant - but are probably aware of certain boundaries with other races or groups. The issue is that your consideration is only extended so far.
No racial undertones meant - but are probably aware of certain boundaries with other races or groups. The issue is that your consideration is only extended so far.
This is clearly nonsense and a poor choice of words by the club.
Without racial undertones, she doesn't do that pose. The very joke she's making is based on race.
Why can't I be serious? I don't know what it implies and would appreciate an explanation.
Forget the source, but the first news source I read about this story referred to the cone as a rice hat...
100%
I'd say it's more a lack of education.
Do you honestly think they've taken that photo to take the piss or be abusive? I don't. They're obviously on some sort of pre season in Asia? she's wearing the hat and mimicking being Asian.
I'd say she thinks it's just trying to fit in and be like "hey look im asian too" - but obviously people can find it offensive and she should have been advised it's a terrible idea.
I'd be surprised if the gesture had any sort of hateful reasons behind it though. It seems Italy needs a big relook at how they educate on racial issues.
By pulling your eyes like that it makes them look more asian. Japanese/chinese/koreans are known to have eyes that are shaped differently. Some people used to use this gesture to be hateful or take the piss out of somebody.
Thanks. Better half is Asian with 2 little ones.
My wife wouldn't mind the picture but it would upset my daughter
Juventus taking it one step further from Megan Rapinoe with the racism against Asians I see
What do you think the term 'racial undertones' actually means?
That's 100% what I meant. In an equal world, she would have been named by the club in their apology, but men and women, especially white women, are treated very differently.
As I mentioned earlier, the rise of the "Karen" has come from white women expecting to get away with saying and doing things that others in society would be castigated for.
Edit: There's also the view that as women have "sheltered" lives, they wouldn't know they were being racist. Y'know, the ignorance part.
Its not igronance, its a lack of empathy.
Are they educated on racism towards Black people or sensitive to trans rights?
How much education do you need, the basic principle can be applied to all people.
Or maybe theyve just learnt when to be quiet rather than be respectful
I'd hope to think it's more niavety. Some people just don't understand why it could be offensive unfortunately.
You're missing my point. I think they've tied themselves in knots in their attempts to PR spin this away.
They mean to say it wasn't intentional racist so they could have said that or they could have said that it didn't have racist undertones.
However, they don't even want to use the word racist so they say it didn't have 'racial undertones'. Racial means to refer to the characteristics of race which the slanty eyes pose most definitely does so that picture may not have had intentionally racist undertones but it most definitely has racial undertones.
Italy is a time bomb ready to explode. Far right parties like Lega Nord and Fratelli d'italia are among the firm favorites to win the next GE. The problem with Italy is that while Germany embraced their history and learnt from it, Italy did not. Many still blame Hitler for Mussolini's worst crimes when in reality Mussolini was his own man.
If some people can't understand that mocking or"mimicking" someone because of a genetic anomaly, that's not niavety, it's a lack of compassion and empathy. Everyone has seen bullying of one sort of another, no one thinks it's a kind thing to do.
Between Inter's "we're only racist to distract you" open letter to Lukaku, and Leonardo Bonucci saying the blame for Calgiari fans' monkey chants was 50-50 when Moise Keane had the nerve to stand there and be a black person whilst celebrating a goal, it's no surprise that Juventus' Women's Team don't think this is racist.
Europe has a real problem with racism in football, but it seems even more deep rooted when it is being perpetuated by the actual football institutions, rather than just shitheads on social media.
Europe has a real problem with racism in football, but it seems even more deep rooted when it is being perpetuated by the actual football institutions, rather than just shitheads on social media.
Italy stinks of racism tbh especially to orientals I‘ve noticed
I have a few Filipino friends in Milan and they are racially abused there on the daily.
Watch this incident brushed under the carpet.
Disgraceful from Juventus FC
I have a few Filipino friends in Milan and they are racially abused there on the daily.
Watch this incident brushed under the carpet.
Disgraceful from Juventus FC
It is already i think.
You try to sound very empathetic but you call it genetic anomaly. I think Asian eyes are perfectly normal, that’s why I have trouble to understand why it’s offensive. I agrer it’s rude and inconsiderate but I wouldn’t feel offended if someone pointed out my very normal physical characteristics. I would feel offended if someone called it anomaly.
It has no traction in the wider social media world. It doesn't help that its buried under the massive Messi and Olympic focus.
I'm astonished that no one at Juventus (player, photographer, social media people) thought that this was a terrible, terrible idea.
As you say Asian eyes are perfectly normal, but when you're the 1 lone Asian in a room of 30 Europeans you're the odd one out.
For some reason humans seem to pick on anything that is 'unusual'. People with red hair get the same treatment for some reason.
You can say odd one out or special one one getting more attention. Maybe idiots will mock the one Asian but I can’t see it in my circles. But I know a Vietnamese girl who is always mocking other Asian’s eye shape. Is she racist? And I also know one from Hong Kong who got super offended when I asked her about the Chinese century eggs but she’s fine saying Hungarian food is disgusting.
Yes. Well that's being racist anyway.
Game of Thrones was pretty progressive.
That's a very good point, and the differing responses to each situation are also relevant.
My young nephew has red hair. He's the only one in the class and regularly gets bullied for it. His parents have asked the teachers to stop it as it really upsets him, but they just get what amounts to: 'oh, it's nothing serious, he'll have to man up and not be so sensitive'.
In the same class, there's one young Asian girl. She also started getting the same level of bullying for being different. They quickly had a class meeting and an assembly about how racism and sexism is wrong and how anyone guilty of either would be strongly punished.
The latter was spot on, and very good by the school. The former was terrible, but very symbolic of the current betwixt and between attitude currently in society. We now recognise things like that are wrong, which is great; but we're only clamping down on certain acts of racism, sexism, prejudices, etc, depending on who the perpetrators and victims are.
Racism against black players is being addressed, which is great. But comments against Asian players, and anti-semitic remarks as Tottenham complained about recently, aren't deemed as bad. And I doubt any accusations of BAME players making racist remarks against white players would garner much support or credibility. The same with sexism allegations made by, or against, male / female players. One would get a lot more criticism than the other, rather than both be treated severely as completely unacceptable.
It's offensive because it's used by racists to mock/insult asian people.
Perhaps I'm wrong but I'm going to assume none of your normal physical characteristics have been used for years to insult your race/ethnicity. I mean, are we veering in to Jimmy Hill 'chinny' territory here?