Yeah. That’s why I said “these weren’t about the 90s either”. That’s how I knew what years he was talking about.
You sure you’re not the one in a muddle?
Queen Elizabeth II | 1926-2022 | Rest in Peace
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You sure you’re not the one in a muddle?
Royal Family to mourn until 7 days after the funeral.
What does that have to do with anything
just expected statements from another head of state forward slash first minister. the entire point had to do with the lack of the queen, as person, having any meaningful political agency. that the government requested her to meet with adams and co and she did it might have had symbolic meaning, after the fact of the peace process having been accomplished, but that is something else.
no one denied she had a symbolic value as functionary who did as requested by the government. what people took issue with was the idea that she did these things of her own volition, for which there is no evidence. in fact, if she had done these things of her own will it would have signalled a constitutional crisis as it would move beyond the remit of the monarch as head of state.
originally you were upset that people were attacking the queen. i argued they were attacking the idea of monarchy, not the queen as individual, as implying some people are born better than others by virtue of noble lineage and blood rights.
You’re one of those people that know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Wait, what?
All I said was that his claims that she was involved in the peace process are nonsense, then you said something about normalisation after the GFA, which has nothing to do with the peace process. I don't know what you're arguing? He was clearly wrong, it's best to leave it at that rather than get all pedantic over it, which you seem fixated on doing. Neither of you have actually been able to give a single example of how she was involved in the peace process here, which is the hilarious thing.
He'll be working at 97, thereby making him better at work than the Queen.
Can you give an example of something you expect will change?
i know the value of equality which precludes the idea that some people are born being better than others by fact that they have "noble lineage". price that however you want.
Great achievement if he does.
The only person that took issue with it was you. You’ve then proceeded to tell everyone else what they should and shouldn’t believe and what opinions they should hold whilst using the moment to peddle your own agenda under the guise of ‘debate’.
Well done.
it's almost as if people hold points of view and put them across in textual form within the context of debate and argument. i think you might even be doing it here.
Is that really because people care or is it just ceremony in recognition of the significance of the institution?
It's certainly interesting to observe. I'd argue Sir Alex has a far deeper connection to more people than the Queen but we obviously won't see the same level of reaction. There's a very much imprinted expectation of the serfs.
What will be interesting to see is if Charles dies in the next decade will the same reaction occur. I'd expect not because the uniqueness of the event has gone, yet he has of course also lived in service.
My wife keeps showing me the most outlandish Facebook posts from her newsfeed - all from Hungarians.
Hell, someone wrote that she had a notion that as long as Queen Elizabeth was alive, the world would be all right somehow. Mental.
You’re just too smart for me.
i've noticed.
The Royal family are inbred, Nazi sympathisers who presided over colonialism. Bankrolled by taxpayers. Pedophiles. Racists. A ridiculously lavish, pampered life. So out of tune with the common folks of this world. A nonsense of the highest order.
Oh boy… understanding context isn’t being pedantic. Clinging to a single phrase and then ignoring everything else is.
I repeatedly told you that you were missing context in your responses to me about @Deery ‘s post. You told me I was wrong. Now I’ve posted the posts that provided the context and you responded with “those were from 2011-2012” — well yeah! That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you this whole time. I’m glad you’ve figured it out.
My work has gone heavy on this, internal website basically has been blanked apart from a message about the Queen. External website & social media only showing “essential service updates”
And that comment sums you up!
Internet Einstein who knows better than everyone else. Loves a good ‘debate’ as it presents an opportunity to talk down on others. Whatever you get off on though.
No clue, not sure that it matters though. @Penna was talking about how far reaching the reaction is, and I was too.
Aussie TV is wall to wall Royal non news. It's going to be a very long 10 days.
Christ, 9.9 more days of this just might kill the Caf.
from you of all people this is gold. but won't derail. i'll let it move back to the topic at hand where no one has an opinion or point of view because advancing ideas and principles through argument is apparently forbidden or elitist.
Is there a thread for celebrities being cancelled due to their opinions on the monarchy? Trevor Sinclair is getting it for his tweets.
from you of all people this is gold. but won't derail. i'll let it move back to the topic at hand where no one has an opinion or point of view because advancing ideas and principles through argument is apparently forbidden or elitist.
It seems we are more similar than you like to think
He should be cancelled because he’s a convicted racist and drink driver shouldn’t he?
There's a cancel culture thread isn't there?
Despite what people think about her (or royalty in general) she was certinally one of the most famous people on the planet.
RIP
Ahh so it’s Brewlio hiding under another user name! That explains a few things
I’m the one who said it was from 2011-12 right at the start.
You’re just deflecting from the stupid shite you were trying to argue.