Protests following the killing of George Floyd

AllezLesDiables said:
Slavery absolutely exists in U.S. and it’s prisons. That’s how those former slave owners figured out to be more covert about that shit. Incarceration of people of color and make them do prison labor pennies on the dollar.Why else do you think there’s disproportionate arrests and prison sentences for people of color in comparison to white people.
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Right slavery is the only possible answer. I suppose slavery exists in the UK as well where there’s disproportionate arrests and prison sentences for minorities as compared to whites as well.

Why don’t you consider the fact that people of color and other minorities are disproportionately represented in the poorer strata of society as wel due to fewer economic opportunities and the correlation between poverty and crime? Why does it always have to an argument to the extremes in this thread?
 
Mastadon said:
Right slavery is the only possible answer. I suppose slavery exists in the UK as well where there’s disproportionate arrests and prison sentences for minorities as compared to whites as well.

Why don’t you consider the fact that people of color and other minorities are disproportionately represented in the poorer strata of society as wel due to fewer economic opportunities and the correlation between poverty and crime? Why does it always have to an argument to the extremes in this thread?
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Slavery sure is an extreme. But when a situation persists for decades and those in power do very little or nothing to change it, at what point can we consider it to be by design?
 
maniak said:
Slavery sure is an extreme. But when a situation persists for decades and those in power do very little or nothing to change it, at what point can we consider it to be by design?
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Minorities have been oppressed in one way or another since the first 3 humans decided to make one of them into a minority. I’m not sure that it’s more accurate to say that it’s by design rather than the natural order of things with reference to human history. If you go consider the situtation 100 or 1000 or 10000 years ago it would suggest that oppressing and exploiting one another is part of human nature.
 
Mastadon said:
Minorities have been oppressed in one way or another since the first 3 humans decided to make one of them into a minority. I’m not sure that it’s more accurate to say that it’s by design rather than the natural order of things with reference to human history. If you go consider the situtation 100 or 1000 or 10000 years ago it would suggest that oppressing and exploiting one another is part of human nature.
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I really don't see a difference between someone saying "well, I guess that's the way we want society to work" and "well, that's just the natural order of things". Both situations seem to be by design to me. We know something is wrong and we refuse to change it.

Also, if we buy into the natural order of things argument, then someone could say "women should not have a voice and should stay at home taking care of the kids obeying whatever the man asks", after all that's the way it was 99% of human history. Societies where women are still oppressed do it by design, not because it's unavoidable.
 
maniak said:
I really don't see a difference between someone saying "well, I guess that's the way we want society to work" and "well, that's just the natural order of things". Both situations seem to be by design to me. We know something is wrong and we refuse to change it.

Also, if we buy into the natural order of things argument, then someone could say "women should not have a voice and should stay at home taking care of the kids obeying whatever the man asks", after all that's the way it was 99% of human history. Societies where women are still oppressed do it by design, not because it's unavoidable.
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It’s like saying being nude or barely covered is more natural than wearing clothes but we choose to wear clothes because our understanding of modesty and fashion has changed. What we call oppression today was completely normal not so long ago. I would argue that it’s more correct to say that change happens by design as opposed to maintaining the status quo.

Society and morality has advanced to a point now where we understand certain things to be wrong and we work to change them. Just because something occurs naturally it doesn’t mean we have to accept it if we think it’s wrong. I see all this as progress which should also be a natural state for intelligent beings.

I’m not in any way saying that slavery and oppression of minorities has occurred thoughout history and therefore is acceptable and should be maintained. These things are wrong and should be changed.
 
psychdelicblues said:
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That's Buffalo for you. Both the peeps and the cops. :rolleyes:
It's a really blue collar town.

Back in the day we found some Buffalo types that were super friendly to me but couldn't believe that my ethnic Pakistani buddy was English.
They thought he was faking his accent. It was like, how could he be English? He's not white.
 
psychdelicblues said:
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Looks like taunting just to elicit a reaction they can probably go on to share then to say "see how violent those prostestors are". Dudes even took the come and get me stance. Good at least that it seems folks are not taking the bait. Not sure why PD is not de-escalating there but at least he s trying to put his car in between them at first. Only to then disappear out of sight. Weird. De-escalation training and practices should always be the priority-not waiting for shit to hit the fan. Still - officers are people too and it seems to be just one, but I'd be curious as to the reason for taking such a passive approach.
 
utdalltheway said:
That's Buffalo for you. Both the peeps and the cops. :rolleyes:
It's a really blue collar town.

Back in the day we found some Buffalo types that were super friendly to me but couldn't believe that my ethnic Pakistani buddy was English.
They thought he was faking his accent. It was like, how could he be English? He's not white.
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You take NYC out of New York, you basically got Alabama.
 
calodo2003 said:
You take NYC out of New York, you basically got Alabama.
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Having lived in Alabama, and now in Wisconsin, I can confirm that if you take any of the big, largely diverse, cities out of a state you are essentially left with Alabama. Basically all rural, low education, white people are Alabama.
 
WI_Red said:
Having lived in Alabama, and now in Wisconsin, I can confirm that if you take any of the big, largely diverse, cities out of a state you are essentially left with Alabama. Basically all rural, low education, white people are Alabama.
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Funny, we call Pennsylvania "Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other and Alabama in the middle."
 
MarylandMUFan said:
Funny, we call Pennsylvania "Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other and Alabama in the middle."
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And rural Maryland is full of rednecks, so yeah it all fits. :lol:
It's not any better in southern California, the further you get from the coast. The sun and heat must have fried those brains.
 
MarylandMUFan said:
Funny, we call Pennsylvania "Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other and Alabama in the middle."
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And to clarify, I am specifically talking about the redneck rural parts of Alabama. The bigger cities (Birmingham , Montgomery, Huntsville, Mobile) have issues but are at least salvageable, and the black belt (yeah, that’s right.) is just fecked thanks to state politics. But the rest of the state? They would elect Hitler, especially if he threw out a “Roll Tide”.
 
RedTiger said:
Take the word "overseer, " like a sample
Repeat it very quickly in a crew for example
Overseer
Overseer
Overseer
Overseer
Officer, Officer, Officer, Officer!
Yeah, officer from overseer
You need a little clarity?
Check the similarity
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Yes, I know my enemies
They're the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity
Assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy
Brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams
 
Buffalo police order Black woman not to walk on same side of the street as white men


 
Apparently harassing people at restaurants wasn't a one-off.

 
Shamana said:
Well going by the video footage so far it seems to be a five-off.





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Mate you can post as many videos as you want but were against racism. There's loads of protests going off at the same time there's bound to be a little trouble. BLM is MOSTLY peaceful besides this is one of the most pressing moment in history and were here fighting the fight, fighting for freedom. Educate yourself! So what if theres a few chairs been thrown and things smashed we need to stop the all the Nazi racists and above all Trump.

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The point that continues to get lost in all this that countries have elected leaders of their nation that should rise to the occasion and try to calm the nation down. Protestors on both sides arent accomplishing anything than the continued political divide.

Trump is not leading, he ia cowering and hiding in his safe space as he's all always done. He doesnt believe in bringing people together, he believes in a divided America and making that worse. Ffs the guy expressed disdain for the poor, the sick, the disabled, civil rights leaders, decorated military veterans, award winning scientists, journalists, athletes and anyone he likes to claim are what makes America "exceptional".

Unfortunately people will probably see what they see from either side without keeping the focus on what is most critical- that there is something seriously amiss at the very top of this country. The law and order President wants both sides to skirt the same laws and orders so he can continue to abuse this country's laws and order to stay in power. If he truly cared about stopping the protests there is a lot more he could do than photo ops and tweets.
 
Players from Houston Texans and Kansas City Chiefs joined arms before their game the other day as a way to bring focus on racial injustice in America. Guess how the crowd reacted..
 
Shits about to get real. All the power to them, I hope they leave them with no doubt how they’re feeling tonight.
 
Oh for fecks sake!

The city is gong to burn because of this! Frankly with decisions like this I think it deserves to.
 
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