I haven't disagreed with the argument; I have disagreed with the language used to make the argument. How is that so hard for people to understand? I'm not the one failing in cognition here; I understand and respect that other people don't think it's the right time for such a protest and in fact I agree with them, it isn't. The difference is I also think there is no right time for the protests.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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I haven't disagreed with the argument; I have disagreed with the language used to make the argument. How is that so hard for people to understand? I'm not the one failing in cognition here; I understand and respect that other people don't think it's the right time for such a protest and in fact I agree with them, it isn't. The difference is I also think there is no right time for the protests.
I hope, when the pandemic is over, that we can have more world wide protesting. Not only against racism, but also for womens rights in many nations, for higher minimum wages, for universal healthcare in some nations etc etc. There is a lot to fight for in this world and maybe this is the way. I really hope we do not have more big demos in my nation before the pandemic is over though, I am very afraid of the consequences. But I can fully understand the rage that has built up from the violent and oppressing policing and other factors. I guess the problem is too many nations will respond with violence and suppression of free speech, sp maybe the nations and people that need change most does not even stand a chance. I do not believe burning stores and attacking people is good though, but hard to avoid as there are many rotten apples that takes advantage of situations, specially due to the pandemic. Also, a happy enough people will not revolt or protest much. The world does need to change. If the climate changes are coming, then we will face a lot more like this at a regular basis in the future I guess. The world would be a better place if not so many psychopaths got elected/put in charge in important positions around the world, so a better way of electing leaders and ensuring they had the best in mind for all citizens alike would be a great accomplishment. Right now we have raw capitalism and too many greedy and ignorant leaders. We need to get the people that care and have healthy values and moral integrity elected somehow, and maybe finetune or reform the political systems to ensure leaders and parties are listening to the people and does a quality job for every citizen.
You don't think people should protest for Black Lives Matter at any time? What a racist statement. Shame on you you racist right wing Tory bastard.
Sorry, how is that post racist?
It is explicitly a post pointing out that mass gatherings, irrespective of the cause, during a global outbreak of highly contagious disease is risky and the poster disapproves.
The poster then indicates that this particularly concerning given the disproportionate impact on black people of the virus.
It is also not just he lives of those attending the demo that are being put at risk but the lives of others due to spread of the disease, which I should have thought was a fairly obvious point.
Irrespective of whether one agrees with this point or not it is patently not racist.
You have then stated on several occasions that the language used is racist in the post you quoted.
"Black Lives Matter...but actually only in a certain context and not when it applies to me because I'm going to willfully attend an organised protest that will cause people to catch and die from a virus that disproportionately affects black people"?
Not sure that would fit on a placard.
More important to be seen protesting than actually help the cause you're protesting for, apparently. "
What aspect of that language is racist? "Mocking" the protesters, specifically in reference to the above pandemic focused point is not racist. It may be cynical. I'm pretty sure I don't agree with it (although the point is obviously a valid one). It's not racist though.
Are there other posts containing racist language that you haven't quoted that you're referring to or is it literally the mocking placard reference you're referring to?
There's 16% support and 65% opposition to the idea according to polling. It would be political suicide to push it as official policy at this time.
https://spectrumnews1.com/ky/lexing...nal-poll-finds-low-support-for-defund-police-
So you have decided I'm racist because I "mocked" the protests?
I am critical of them...this is not the same thing as telling people they do not have a right to protest.
What you are doing is using some pretty low bully tactics to try and deny someone the right to an opinion. Doesn't agree with me + racist...I don't think you would do this to your friends if they criticised the protests so don't do it to anyone else.
I am sorry if yoy are upset I don't agree with the protests, but I'm not as sorry as I am for the person who will lose their mum, partner, etc. to corona virus as a result of someone else going to a protest. It's not a particuarly nasty opinion I don't think so I'm definitely not going to change it just because you come in acting like a complete dick.
Because that is how democrats have always voted historically. When it comes to crime and policing they always agree with republicans. They never opposed the war on drugs, literally wrote the crime bill, stop and frisk, or any of the racist policies we've had in the past.
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Basically everyone who disagrees with something is a racist or something else nowadays. I was called a fascist because I said that most people who have the cops use force against them deserve it because they act stupid. But apparently I was "defending fascist police tactics". I was called a racist because I said it's a bit ironic that the main face of the protests against police brutality is a criminal. And don't you even dare to say stuff like "All lives matter", it's apparently extremely racist. Society is fecked and the current events just proved that once again.
I don't think Tucker is happy at Fox anyways.
What the does have to do with what @noodlehair said?
Your points are not comparable to his in any way.
All lives matter bollocks is not equatable to concerns about contagious diseases spreading during mass gatherings in a pandemic.
Why do you say this as if these incidents have been central to the protests? The majority of people are protesting peacefully, it’s a bit patronising to insinuate that every protestor is just running around causing anarchy. And who calls the police racist for trying to stop crime You’re probably trying to be funny but there’s genuine gripes to be had with police handling in multiple cases, Wretch 32 posted one just yesterday:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....32-shares-video-of-police-tasering-his-father
To reduce people protesting police mishandling to ‘telling the police they’re racist for trying to stop drug dealing’ is unfair.
I'm going to leave this here because you're just going round in circles and seem to be deliberating looking for a fight.
I'm not a racist. I've neither used nor defended racist language. You are making stuff up which I obviously can't defend myself against.
It's obviously a subject you are quite emotional about. If you want, calm down and send me a PM and we'll clear this up and I can actually defend myself as a person without being slandered. I'm not going to go into it on here because it's got nothing to do with the thread.
Really? Rhodes must fall by the way has plenty more aims than simply statues by the way
For me personally its my hospital doing a review and risk assessment of BAME staff working in frontline
BLM UK raising £750,000 with £10 million to black British causes from Stormzy
Black Minds Matter UK has pledges of more than £290,000 to link black people with certified black mental health practitioners.
Black LGBTQIA+ therapy fund had raised almost £50,000 with the Black Protest Legal Support UK more than £45,000
More than a million people have signed a petition in support of Belly Mujinga which the British Transport Police now said has requested a review of from the Crown Prosecution service in light of the "wider public interest"
Bernadine Evaristo and Reni Eddo-Lodge have become the first black British women to top the UK’s fiction and nonfiction paperback charts
Over in the states
Nike announced $40m investment in black community
LA Mayor takes $130m from police budget to invest in black community
The Eric Garner Anti-Chokehold Act passed in NY makes the use of a chokehold by a police officer a felony, Minneapolis City Council also agreed to ban chokeholds
Bank of America announced a $1 billion, four-year commitment of additional support to help local communities address economic and racial inequality
The CEO of Lowe's announced it's offering $25 million in grant money for minority-owned businesses trying to reopen amid the COVID-19 pandemic
I see some video from the US every day now, some old or new about police violence. I see that there is police killing with this neck thing often. Like this I saw today Tony Timpa death
I can not fathom how you can respond to a 911 call from a man that does not have his medicines and then kills him while laughing at him like this, and then gets away with it also. I did know it was bad in the US but now I feel like I have seen like 200 videos of stuff like this the last couple of weeks. Even if some are 1-4 year old videos. The neck thingy and stun guns should be banned permanently.
I can not fathom how you can respond to a 911 call from a man that does not have his medicines and then kills him while laughing at him like this, and then gets away with it also. I did know it was bad in the US but now I feel like I have seen like 200 videos of stuff like this the last couple of weeks. Even if some are 1-4 year old videos. The neck thingy and stun guns should be banned permanently.
Your stance on all these issues is well documented, and people have tried to get you to educate yourself, something that has clearly fallen on deaf ears. Your posts most certainly indicate that you are a racist and a fascist, even if a wilfully ignorant one. Society may be fecked, but at least there are good people actively trying to change that, no thanks to others like you.
1. The police have been shown to use violent force time and time again.
2. Why should it matter that he was a criminal? Did the police officer know of his criminal pas before he crushed his neck with his knee for about 9 mins?
3. The problem with saying ‘all lives matter’ is that it derails black issues and the BLM movement was created because we aren’t treated like our lives matter. White people are. As mentioned before, would you tell a fireman putting out a house on fire that he shouldn’t just focus on that house and that all houses on that street matter? Despite the fact that the other houses are fine?
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You're so patient
Sometimes I have to hope that if I take a patient approach rather than coming in all guns blazing people will be willing to listen.You're so patient
I know most people have been protesting peacefully, but it is about the outcome and overall picture. The aim of a protest is to bring about change so how it is perceived and acted on is quite important, whether it's the minority or majority who attract the focus.
So far we've got this sudden weird obession with removing statues taking up nearly all the attention, on the basis that one got thrown into the sea. I don't think it's a problem to want statues removed, but I don't see how it helps anything. It's just an empty gesture. No one is toppling a regime or changing history.
I've watched that video and I actually find it quite difficult to be too judgemental without context. Police don't generally turn up at your property like that just because you're black, and I reckon if they do turn up like that at a property probably are on edge due to how often people come at them with knives, weapons etc...writing it off just as "racist" is part of the lazy way of tackling the problem that doesn't actually help to solve it.
The fact that a disproportionate amount of black people live in poor conditions, have to resort to other means than getting a decent job to make a living, and basically aren't given a fair platform, is where I see the problem personally, and I don't see people trying to focus on or educate people about that. At least not enough people...and the ones that are aren't making enough noises about it. A statue of some bloke from 1802 being removed isn't going to help a generation of young black people have an equal opportunity at getting a good education, accepted to their choice of uni, given the job opportunity they want, etc. You create racism by continuing to feed a system that creates a perception of one type of person being of less status than another.
It's not me trying to be funny it's just that I tend to put it quite bluntly. There are things that are helpful and productive, and there are things that are either meaningless or create resistance. If you want to know where the focus is being put, look on any UK news website or facebook timeline, etc. It is quite frustrating as it's a wasted opportunity to try and claw some good out of the recent events.
Hopefully it works and all your effort wont be for nothing.
Hope you can carry on. I gave up a while ago when it became clear their only goal was to find a reason to cry "radical liberals", "liberal echo chamber" and other hits even when 99% of answers to them were civil and made to inform.
Re-thinking and rewriting history is exactly what historians do and have always done.
1. Police using violent force with absolutely no reason to do it so so fecking rare that you can count the cases using your hand fingers. This shitting on cops is unbelievable really, nobody notices how millions of times per day cops do a good job but if some idiot cop makes a bad decision and especially if a black person is a victim, scandal is inevitable. Propaganda against police is astonishing.
2. To me it's just a bit ironic that for such an important movement you would choose a face of a criminal as your flag. That's only me I guess.
3. Yea I would definitely tell firemen to focus on the houses that are completely fine. Fecking hell
I don't disagree with your point, I just disagree with how that phrase somehow makes people racist.You can't make comments like this, and simultaneously lose the plot at someone for suggesting you hold racist views.
It's okay, it's easy to fix. I will start by shitting on cops to remove my fascist tag.
Apparently not in this case it seems.
Maybe next time. Or the time after.
1. Police using violent force with absolutely no reason to do it so so fecking rare that you can count the cases using your hand fingers. This shitting on cops is unbelievable really, nobody notices how millions of times per day cops do a good job but if some idiot cop makes a bad decision and especially if a black person is a victim, scandal is inevitable. Propaganda against police is astonishing.
2. To me it's just a bit ironic that for such an important movement you would choose a face of a criminal as your flag. That's only me I guess.
3. Yea I would definitely tell firemen to focus on the houses that are completely fine. Fecking hell
1. No one is going to commend cops for doing their job. You wouldn’t applaud a fish for swimming. Obviously if they feck up it’s going to become a scandal and it’s not ‘propaganda of police’ if they’re shown to routinely use disproportionate brutality against black people (btw that’s another reason why it’s more noted when it’s a black person, because it’s DISPROPORTIONATE when you take into account population %) and their colleagues always condone it.
2. Again, what has his criminal past got to do with protesting against years of police brutality, systemic racism and oppression?
3. Has anyone actually called anyone who says it racist or are we just saying it’s disingenuous and tone deaf?
Way to miss the point completely.
I didn't lose the plot, I defended myself from someone who has called me a racist 10+ times in this thread.
What I have said there is not racist. I have sat on a jury involving a case where someone was tazered during a drugs raid. It is police procedure in some scenarios to do so if someone ignores their instructions, because, basically, they got fed up with people injuring them while they were trying to do their job. So to label it as racist without any context or background is actually quite ignorant. More so when aside from being used to call the police officer who did it racist, it is being used a fuel to incite the idea that ALL police are racist.
If we are trying to tackle racism, which I think we can all agree should be the aim, then this clearly to me isn't the way to do it. This is incitive behaviour and lazy stereotyping that only causes people to dig their trenches deeper. It's no better than saying all scousers are benefits scroungers.
As I said I put things bluntly but the problem with using 1,000 words to say what you want on here is that someone will just come in, ignore 990 of them, and tell you you're a racist anyway.
Don't know if this has been posted earlier but I saw this article about an attack on a London police officer : https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-53002948
Just seen this now on Facebook.
This is going to happen more and more here while people continue to absolutely hammer the police and align them with American police.
There’s a massive thing about hating the police at the moment in the uk, seen it enough just on here and it seems nothing good will come of it
There’s a massive thing about hating the police at the moment in the uk, seen it enough just on here and it seems nothing good will come of it
They have raised money to also ''bring down capitalism''. It is literally stated as a mission goal. It is a extreme political movement considering the fact that all western societies are capitalist ones, I use the word extreme because that is what it is.
I see your point here. You're right to say that pulling down a statue won't make black people more employable or better treated. But what it does do is give society a shock to the system. It forces a self-reflection for the kinds of people who don't think they're racist.
At the end of the day, you can't create an equitable society in one fell swoop - especially when an unequal society is working relatively well for the majority of people. There's no reason for them to give alternative points-of-view any thought.
Change is only possible when the majority are confronted by the perspective of the minority in a way that can't be ignored. Cecil Rhodes is finally getting talked about, and systemic racism is finally being highlighted on the front pages. That's a victory that won't reap any benefits today, but may make tomorrow a little better. It's the best anyone can realistically hope for.
Celebrities just stop please
I agree. The reactions on the protest based on there being a pandemic are things I 100% understand. I just find it hard to criticise people of color for feeling the need to protest anyway.
Why is it done in the style of a save a donkey advert and why are they all using their acting voices.
I don’t know whether those videos help or not but jeez, they come across so fake and patronising
Aaron Paul deary me
Because that's how most people remember them by
I saw Aaron Paul trending earlier and his fans loved it