Protests following the killing of George Floyd

Again with the filibustering...
 
I'm reading them here.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/murder-charges-in-minnesota-43141

Are there definitions somewhere else I'm missing?



Seems spot on in this case. Stonewall.
If they need to prove "intent to kill" for 2nd degree, it's anything but "quite clearly" or "spot on". Again, not saying it wasn't his intent, but understanding that and proving it in court beyond reasonable doubt are two different things altogether.

I'm not that familiar with US law but it's better to go for the sure thing than to be turned away by court because they can't prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
 
hi i'm an intelligent poster and definitely not racist, welcome to my ted talk on bullshit pedantry
Ahh, so now you want to call me a racist (without even knowing who I am or the color of my skin). How open minded of you. Reading your posts makes it abundantly clear that you are in need of some bullshit pedantic education
 
Protesters, revolters, insurgents, demonstrators and many others. Thugs isn't a synonym of rioters, it's a synonym for criminals but in a rather individualistic way and it's also a constant state which isn't the case for rioters/looters.
Criminal=thug
Rioter=criminal
 
Profound.
That still doesn’t make the word “thug” any more/less racist.
Tell me a synonym that should be used to describe rioters/looters
While it might be giving Donald too much credit to say he actually understands the concept of a ‘dog whistle’ or might think ahead of time instead of what to say instead of spouting whatever hits his brain cells first, he uses them often.

Just look at the way he refers to women, women of color, black-majority communities...his track record is consistent and does not leave much room to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
Sure, just try to avoid racially charged ones.

I know it’s asking a lot of you, and the generations of young black men who have been marginalised by society are an enormous inconvenience for you, but it’d be nice if you could stop adding to the problem and trying to reframe serious issues as being caused by minorities rather then the people who keep killing them.
You assume a lot. How do you know that I’m not a marginalized minority?
I’m not trying to reframe anything. How often have you been to America? Your ivory tower is pretty far away from here
 
If you have your knee on somebodies neck and they tell you they can't breathe, you don't remove it and they die, you intended to kill them. Any juror who doubts that is not fit to sit on a jury.

A system that can't prove that is a broken system. The family of the victim shouldn't have to be told this crime was unintended simply because it's easier to make the charge stick.


Having been on a jury for a murder trial in the US I can tell you from experience that the law may be easy to follow but some people still refuse to do so for stupid reasons.
 
feck caring about unarmed nonresistant black men dying unjustly. We need to focus on why "thug" isn't a dog whistle because that's what super intelligent people now.
 
You assume a lot. How do you know that I’m not a marginalized minority?
I’m not trying to reframe anything. How often have you been to America? Your ivory tower is pretty far away from here

I couldn’t give a shit what your race is, you’re still on the wrong side of this issue.

I lived in the US for a while as a kid, have several family members and friends living there and have spent considerable time in various states over the course of my life. Not that any of that is in any way relevant to the point either.
 
You're probably one of the racists I'm referring to then. Makes sense!
Ok. You’re not smarter than I thought.
I’m a black man, born and raised in Florida and I think you’re acting like a thug. Why do I waste time with you guys? I won’t sit here and be called a racist by some piece of shit.The Caf has truly lost its way
 
Ok. You’re not smarter than I thought.
I’m a black man, born and raised in Florida and I think you’re acting like a thug. Why do I waste time with you guys? I won’t sit here and be called a racist by some piece of shit.The Caf has truly lost its way
Uncle Ruckus, is that you?
 
And from 3rd Degree...

“This murder is not based on having the intent to kill. Third-degree murder is often charged as a depraved heart or mind crime ... Murder is charged when a person is killed and the defendant has an indifference to the sanctity of human life”

That is definitely provable to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

2nd Degree:
“Second degree murder can be charged when a defendant intentionally kills another human being but the murder is not premediated. Second-degree murder may result when a person kills out of an intense emotional response or impulse.”

You’d be asking the jury to beyond a reasonable doubt believe that death is exactly what was on the officer’s mind when he put his knee on the victim’s neck.

It’s not that the prosecutors are saying murder wasn’t committed here... They’re simply saying that 3rd Degree is what they feel confident they can convince jurors beyond a reasonable doubt has happened.

If just 1 juror has doubt, and these jurors are selected by both the prosecution and defense so the defense will have identified some people they think they can sway, then the judge will have to declare a mistrial... and then what? The prosecution does not want that.

Man i'm not incapable of understanding your reasoning, I'm just saying that the fact this is the way things are done is wrong. The system is wrong.

That a man will now be jailed for a maximum of 25 years, for a crime that warrants 40, just in the name of pragmatism is wrong. Under these circumstances, with the video and witness evidence available, they should be able to bring a charge of second degree murder with the jury able to impose third degree if they find reasonable doubt.
 
feck caring about unarmed nonresistant black men dying unjustly. We need to focus on why "thug" isn't a dog whistle because that's what super intelligent people now.
That’s my point exactly! We should be discussing why the bastard of a cop isn’t behind bars, not the use of a term tweeted by an ignorant President. Let’s focus
 
Profound.
That still doesn’t make the word “thug” any more/less racist.
Just saying what's obvious to me: that a term can have different meaning/flavour in different contexts. I'm not living in the US, but I've come across it often enough in media & social media to get an idea of its connotations in the discourses of right wing populism.
Tell me a synonym that should be used to describe rioters/looters
I'd probably call rioters rioters, and looters looters. Not meant sarcastically.
 
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Man i'm not incapable of understanding your reasoning, I'm just saying that the fact this is the way things are done is wrong. The system is wrong.

That a man will now be jailed for a maximum of 25 years, for a crime that warrants 40, just in the name of pragmatism is wrong. Under these circumstances, with the video and witness evidence available, they should be able to bring a charge of second degree murder with the jury able to impose third degree if they find reasonable doubt.

I agree with the sentiment and in an ideal world, ideals alone would work. But it doesn't, sometimes a matter of semantics changes the whole course. Especially in law.
 
Tell me a term that “respectfully” describes looters and rioters

Well if they were white and rioting against stay at home orders I’m sure Trump would once again be calling them, “Very good people” who are angry at the situation...
 
That’s my point exactly! We should be discussing why the bastard of a cop isn’t behind bars, not the use of a term tweeted by an ignorant President. Let’s focus
Interesting post considering your first post in this thread...
Obama used the word thug to describe Baltimore protesters, ISIS terrorists and and many others.
Oh my.
 
Please don’t change my quote to fit your ignorant narrative. If you’re going to quote me, use my words. Moderators, is this acceptable?
Ok. You’re not smarter than I thought.
I’m a black man, born and raised in Florida and I think you’re acting like a thug. Why do I waste time with you guys? I won’t sit here and be called a racist by some piece of shit.The Caf has truly lost its way
Mommy mommy, is this acceptable?
 
Man i'm not incapable of understanding your reasoning, I'm just saying that the fact this is the way things are done is wrong. The system is wrong.

That a man will now be jailed for a maximum of 25 years, for a crime that warrants 40, just in the name of pragmatism is wrong. Under these circumstances, with the video and witness evidence available, they should be able to bring a charge of second degree murder with the jury able to impose third degree if they find reasonable doubt.
When the person is innocent until proven guilty, you have to go with what you can prove.
 
You and I both know that I only brought that up to make the point that arguing about the term thug was severely misrepresented and the real topic should be about the cop and Mr. Floyd.
Except that it's not and you went all high and mighty invoking Obama and your own skin color as if you're the spokesperson for all black people. How am I supposed to believe you?
 
Guys, I don’t wanna sound like a broken record. But it looks like George Floyd’s mental health is being weaponized to deny his family justice.