Wow. A guy in LA who is articulate and very knowledgeable about racism and apartheid. Very eloquently said.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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Thats good, thanks for update
But you also have a history of being on the other side of colonialism, so to speak, unlike a lot of European countries.
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To be fair, in comparison to Darren Grimes a set of traffic lights can appear somewhat sentient.
You’ve got it the wrong way round. The media is much more interested in BLM than the situation in Hong Kong, for various reasons. It’s definitely more “interesting”.
In the meantime, the situation in Hong Kong, a territory Britain helped to transfer to an autocratic power after a long period under British colonial rule (ending 40 years ago) has just had its autonomy damaged and is witnessing a key step in the erosion of democratic freedom. Britain has a very real responsibility in highlighting and pushing back against China.
Of these 2 very significant issues, only one is clearly being underreported on in the UK.
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"He was one of the Protesters, one of their own. "
These deluded people are beyond help.
Good point!Mail said:
he’s probably trying to decide whether or not he was upset when we sold Jaap Stam
I haven’t got anything the wrong way round. You’ve misinterpreted my point if you think I was saying that the media is focusing more on the HK protests than the protests about racism.
As for the idea the HK issue is being ‘underreported’ I find that laughable - as a good rule of thumb whenever a power like Britain or America invokes ideas of “protecting democracy” or defending “human rights” you can treat it with a huge fecking dose of salt. In terms of significance to the average citizen, the China/HK dispute is a fart in the wind compared to the actual hurricane of oppression and racism that is an inescapable daily reality for many in Britain/America/France.
Everything said by anyone can be treated with a huge dose of salt, but you only have to look at what’s actually happened and how those in Hong Kong feel about it to understand the dire situation.
Just as we have a moral obligation to the consequence of our involvement in the slave trade, so do we to the people of Hong Kong.
Average citizen of which country? The West certainly, Hong Kong, Taiwan, China not so much.
With a UK centric view BLM is a more relevant issue to the people in the UK but Britain was an empire which had global effects on millions of people, so although localism is a natural state of being we can’t just ignore people because they seem distant.
Edit: I just read back and realised you were disputing that the protests in Hong Kong were a bigger media issue than BLM so I think my response didn’t take that into account. I think there should be more focus on BLM within UK but I don’t think what’s happening in HK should be minimised which I’m sure we both agree upon.
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Gary Younge is a British journalist, author and broadcaster.
He is editor-at-large for The Guardian newspaper and writes a monthly column for The Nation, "Beneath the Radar".
He is editor-at-large for The Guardian newspaper and writes a monthly column for The Nation, "Beneath the Radar".
I’d like to discuss this further but don’t want to further derail this thread. . . so many questions. . .
To each their own though.
We do. People are quick to forget, I guess. Maybe were marginally better than average (i really doubt it) but were a long, long way from having a handle on it.
they're clapping the officers who pushed a 75 year old
I bet you do.
At this point, it is literally what they exist for and nothing else.
How does that work? Because a lot of them are on the front line protesting.
Which is not what should be happening. Its fecking stupid seeing all the crowds out today, the protests are not worth the potential for spread. They can be done another day or another way. I hope I am wrong and we dont see thousands of cases coming out of this like we have in every other large gathering.
Yeh its great, but also just common sense. I can't help but think the protesters over here are just dickheads. Whereas in the US its the police. Complete role reversal.
This so so real and so powerful, one of the greatest speeches I've ever heard. If you watch only one VDO today, it has to be this (only few mins long).
It's from Kimberley Jones, who uses playing Monopoly as an analogy to understanding the heinous economic injustice imposed on black people in USA.
(Kimberly Jones, author of I'm Not Dying Here With You Tonight)
It's from Kimberley Jones, who uses playing Monopoly as an analogy to understanding the heinous economic injustice imposed on black people in USA.
(Kimberly Jones, author of I'm Not Dying Here With You Tonight)
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It certainly summarises well quite a lot of the feelings there. I think the analogy with the monopoly board was very well put too. The ending statement was fantastic too.
Spot on. The HK one is a different topic and some people have no idea what they are talking about.
The HK police are fairly light weight compared to what is happening in the USA. They don't go murdering innocent people just because they are of a different ethnicity.
Good thread about those who seem to be very vocal in denouncing the protests on public health grounds
Are you sure this is the case? "Peaceful protest" is a really bizarre concept to me when it involves blatant disregard for the wellbeing of other people's lives. Like "we don't give a feck if you die but we're calm enough about it not to smash up your shop windows".
There's a debate about this on my facebook right now involving people who went, and we've already had "I always go to protests to support causes I agree with"...that does not sound like pent up frustration and anger to me. It sounds like someone who goes to protests coming up with an excuse to go to a protest.
To be fair, If you don't think what someone has said is racist, probably unwise to call what they say "blatantly racist"..the person you replied to didn't say anything racist so I can only assume you were referring to me.
A couple of things here. Someone going back to work in a key sector (which is what I was arguing) or opening schools to very limited numbers of students (which is also what I was arguing), is definitely not more of a risk than tens of thousands of people marching the fecking streets together multiple days in a row. I mean there is a reason why we aren't allowed to go to football games and why "mass gatherings" are identified as the highest risk.
Also. The reason I was arguing those things is because they are important to support the most vulnerable people who have found the current situation the most difficult, and who may need help to come out in one piece. Where as these protests do not help anyone or anything as far as I can tell, and actually the people most likely to come into harm as a result are the exact same vulnerable people, which includes significant proportions of the black community.
Suggesting that hosting a series of mass protests in the middle of a pandemic that has killed 60,000 people is irresponsible behaviour, is not actually a particularly controversial opinion. It's also not an opinion that goes away by just insinuating it is racist, because it isn't racist.
I was at the Manchester protest this morning.
Mate reread my posts and tell me where I called you blatantly racist, or racist, or even guilty of having a racist view. The only time I mentioned racist was to say that you weren’t.
The word 'video' only has two extra letters and doesn't require you to hit the shift key.
Google 'VDO'. Nobody else uses it that way.
Now there is a story of Canadian police RCMP beating up a First Nation Chief about a disagreement they had about an expired license plate. I don't know the ins and outs of it but the pics show a fairly beaten up face. Police says he resisted arrest. It's fairly common happening in Canada for First Nation people to be brutally handled by the police compared to white Canadians.
Yeah you are right...I've somehow been a massive twat and gotten you confused with the person who did call me racist. I do apologise.
Feel free to ignore me
We use it like that in my industry, but point noted, esp about the shift key!
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Was at a protest in Derry today where social distancing was being used . People were standing in groups of three or four etc yet the police continually shouted over the speakers to try and disperse everyone and eventually took peoples names and told them they would be getting fined
A former WH aide and current Senior Campaign Advisor retweeted a message praising the bravery of the Chainsaw Champ from a few pages back (he has been arrested). This is the level of stupid we have running things.
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Don't really see how anyone can label anyone disagreeing with the marches as racist on the grounds of it increasing the spreading of corona - particular in this country where our numbers are so high. Its a valid concern.
If however someones spouting some All Lives Matter or similar bullshit though then label away
If however someones spouting some All Lives Matter or similar bullshit though then label away