Protest planned before Norwich game

[Jeppers7]

As a Blackpool fan I am incredibly happy whenever shitty owners are removed from a club and replaced by better owners. All the better if it happens as a result of grass roots movement in the local community.

United however will never get popular support throughout the football community amongst other fans, journalists and celebrities. Simply because there is no moral element to the campaign. To anyone outside Uniteds fanbase the protesters are just glory hunters whinging because they don't win anymore.

Our issue with the Glazers has always been ownership model. How they acquired the club and how the club is run. I’ve literally never heard one fan say ‘I want the Glazers out so we can win more stuff’. We were protesting around 2011 when we’d just won the league and been to three CL finals in four years. Journalists, celebrities and the football community regularly mock the club….for the way it is run. Then want to write nonsense like you have written when we protest against the same owners, for the same reasons.

Like fans of most other clubs, you seem to think you have some moral high ground supporting a ‘proper’ football club and that a fan of a club like Manchester United has no right to want what’s best for their club. We don’t want owners in charge who don’t value the best interests of the club, who purchased the club via a hostile takeover and leveraged the cost of them buying the club onto the club itself. Who take millions out of the club and put nothing in, We don’t want owners who don’t engage with fans, aren’t around the club and use the club to fund other businesses. We want owners who first and foremost view the club as a football club.

Listen I might be wrong, I’m not that big on Blackpool FC but did the protest against convicted rapist Owen Oyston start when you got promoted to the premier league or after they were found to be taking millions out of your club? Morals and all that.

 

[MUW4Eva]

This highlights the problem. The big split in the fanbase.

Come on, support the people who try to make a real change. It's not done within a week or two, it will be a long hard fight.
Well done to everyone involved yesterday.

I do support those who are trying make a real change, not those people who are drunk, and chanting unrealistic things.

No one has yet changed a single thing at any football club, by letting off a flare or two, so not sure why people still do this, apart from thinking very misguidedly that them doing so does.
All it is; is to fuel their own ego, their own self worth, nothing more.

There is a split in the fanbase, purely because of incidents like yesterday.
Yesterday will not bring about change, what has happened since??

Has there been any announcements today??

Have I missed the Glazers saying they are stepping down??

Nope, so whilst they might be a cathartic way for a few, they are pointless in the bigger picture.

 

[Jeppers7]

I do support those who are trying make a real change, not those people who are drunk, and chanting unrealistic things.

No one has yet changed a single thing at any football club, by letting off a flare or two, so not sure why people still do this, apart from thinking very misguidedly that them doing so does.
All it is; is to fuel their own ego, their own self worth, nothing more.

There is a split in the fanbase, purely because of incidents like yesterday.
Yesterday will not bring about change, what has happened since??

Has there been any announcements today??

Have I missed the Glazers saying they are stepping down??

Nope, so whilst they might be a cathartic way for a few, they are pointless in the bigger picture.

What are you doing about it?

 

[Pickle85]

The Glazers staying is entirely up to them, they hold all of the power at the club, and as such they get to decide when or even if they leave.

The best way to instigate change is to join a group that is trying to talk to them rationally and calmly, but even then, we have ti face the facts, that we as fans are not important to them, and as such, they don't have to change anything if they don't want to, no matter how politely we ask.

Having drunken people chanting and letting off flares for what a couple of hours, thinking or believing their own self importance, won't bring about any changes.

What is the plan for today, as the online megastore is still online, and after yesterday, I bet a fair few Ronaldo shirts have been bought from across the globe, thus putting more money into the pockets of the Glazers, thus making them care even less about a few people chanting irrelevant chants.

So you're saying that there isn't any point in doing anything? At the very least, the protests received some coverage, both bringing attention to the issue of ownership and reminding the Glazers that not everything is forgiven and forgotten. I also think it's bang out of order for a non matchgoing fan to speak so dismissively of fans that spend a lot of money to go see the team.

 

[Skills]

With protestors outside: winning 1-0.

With protestors inside: losing 1-2.

Tbf we finished last season 2nd with most of it played behind closed doors

 

[Pickle85]

I do support those who are trying make a real change, not those people who are drunk, and chanting unrealistic things.

No one has yet changed a single thing at any football club, by letting off a flare or two, so not sure why people still do this, apart from thinking very misguidedly that them doing so does.
All it is; is to fuel their own ego, their own self worth, nothing more.

There is a split in the fanbase, purely because of incidents like yesterday.
Yesterday will not bring about change, what has happened since??

Has there been any announcements today??

Have I missed the Glazers saying they are stepping down??

Nope, so whilst they might be a cathartic way for a few, they are pointless in the bigger picture.

So you're saying that unless a protest effects immediate change, it's pointless? Thank goodness the African American community didn't think that during the civil rights struggles. 'Mr King, we've chained ourselves to railings once but bathrooms remain segregated. What's the point? At this point all we're doing is fueling our own ego, our own self worth, nothing more.'

 

[stw2022]

Our issue with the Glazers has always been ownership model. How they acquired the club and how the club is run. I’ve literally never heard one fan say ‘I want the Glazers out so we can win more stuff’. We were protesting around 2011 when we’d just won the league and been to three CL finals in four years. Journalists, celebrities and the football community regularly mock the club

We won the Champions League in 2008. There was no protest that year or the next. In fact from 2007-2010 trophies rolled in and things were pretty quiet.

It’s not a criticism but an observation that memory of opposition to the takeover always seems to be jolted even we stop winning things.

A random protest in April at the not-even-seventeenth anniversary of the buyout had more to do with the defeat at Everton and the general consensus (at least at the time) that CL qualification was beyond our reach.

To that end it had nothing to do with opposing the takeover. Nobody earmarked a nothing mid-April match against Norwich over the Easter weekend as a perfect opportunity to make a point about how much they are aggrieved at the takeover

People have a right to protest but this was just fans using recent bad form for an opportunistic whip-up for the cause planned because the loss to Everton and prospect of no CL football next season would made others more likely to join in

 

[Laurencio]

Obviously I understand why people are protesting and stuff but why now? The owners have already put plans to redevelop the stadium, that isn’t going to happen overnight is it. Feels like the protest are coming because we’ve been doing awful and losing to Everton was the final straw. If that’s the case then the players neee to be protested against a lot more right now. Don’t get me wrong I hate the owners and wish they’d sell up but there trying to make amends… they signed us the players we wanted in the summer, there hiring the manager we all wanted. Putting plans together to redevelop the stadium and training ground. Can’t just protest when things are going bad on the pitch, it gives our fan base a bad name. If we won a trophy this season or was 2nd in the league I guarantee these protest wouldn’t be happening. If ETH comes in next season and we get of to a flying start and challenge for things then there will be no protest will they. The players winning matches and playing well keeps everyone quiet for the time being, the minute we’re doing awful everyone wants to protest. Feels like people only want the glazers out when we’re losing..: the protest need to happen wether we’re winning or losing to show you still feel the same about them!

I believe it is the 1 year anniversary of the Glazers attempting to pull off the Super League tomorrow (this game was the closest to the date I reckon). In the aftermath of that Joel Glazers promised a fans share scheme where fans could essentially buy shares with the same voting rights as the B-shares owned by the Glazers. A first step towards fans owning part of the club and having the ability to influence the club's decisions. However that's not really what seems to be happening at the moment, and the current proposal seems to be a limited number of shares that have voting power, but that the Glazer's shares are still technically unique in their voting power - I don't know the details of the proposal. MUST announced at the end of March that they wanted a workable proposal by tomorrow (18. April).

Another thing to be aware of is that this was staged by a relatively small group (as of yet) and not MUST who are currently in negotiations with Manchester United over the design of these shares.

 

[MUW4Eva]

So you're saying that unless a protest effects immediate change, it's pointless? Thank goodness the African American community didn't think that during the civil rights struggles. 'Mr King, we've chained ourselves to railings once but bathrooms remain segregated. What's the point? At this point all we're doing is fueling our own ego, our own self worth, nothing more.'

Well for a start, this isn't the first protest against the Glazers is it??

We have had a fair few before yesterday, and at each one that people chanted "Glazers Out!", how close to such aims has that so far gotten??

Let me see.....oh wait....they are still here, still very much in charge.

I belive we have been against then since before they took over, so let's say 04, that is 18 years now, give or take, and any such update on the progress here??

Political protests are completely different to protests like these, as MP's or those in charge are beholden to the people, (as people can vote them out), here that us very much not the case, we can't vote the Glazers out, they have the power, we have none at all.

 

[Bubz27]

We won the Champions League in 2008. There was no protest that year or the next. In fact from 2007-2010 trophies rolled in and things were pretty quiet.

This photo is March 2010.

 

[Red00012]

This highlights the problem. The big split in the fanbase.

Come on, support the people who try to make a real change. It's not done within a week or two, it will be a long hard fight.
Well done to everyone involved yesterday.

There has been protests ( when fans feel like it ) especially after a few bad results since they’ve taken over. It’s completely pointless shouting glazers out they’re going absolutely nowhere. Who the feck can afford or want to buy them out ? Arabs ? And then we don’t want them either so more protests.
To be honest you’re not fit to wear the shirt been sung has more effect than glazers out. At least the players have to actually listen to it . I doubt the glazers give 2 fecks we had a March yesterday and the 17th minute thing with the ticket already paid for ? Give me a break

 

[duffer]

we can't vote the Glazers out, they have the power, we have none at all.

Man United fans had power enough to get the Liverpool game postponed. They have the power to not buy tickets, the power to leave the stadium empty.

The issue isn't the lack of power, it's that it seems most fans don't actually give enough of a shit to do a single thing apart from whinge on the internet.

Kudos to the supporters trying to change their club for the better.

 

[stw2022]

Protesting because you’re pissed off because we (thought we) had pissed all chances of CL qualification up the wall and you think the club is badly run with a chaotic recruitment policy without even a manager in place for next season is perfectly legitimate and has merit

But stop pretending it was a protest against what happened in 2005. Fans are allowed to be pissed and demonstrate without every cause having that awkwardly bolted into it. Every time fans want to voice their disapproval we don’t need those looking to sell off remaining G&G merchandise they’ve had stored in their shed for ten years to their wife’s chagrin


“Fans actually called Maguire a wanker in protest to the buyout”. Leave it alone

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Would we honestly still be protesting if our form was good and we were competing in the same position as Liverpool? I get that we didn’t like the way the club was leveraged and clearly the Glaziers have made massive sporting errors but this current protest is nothing more than a moan at how crap we are currently. Most of that is down to a poor manager above all else. Unfortunately these kind of protests water down all the legitimate ones we want.

 

[MUW4Eva]

There has been protests ( when fans feel like it ) especially after a few bad results since they’ve taken over. It’s completely pointless shouting glazers out they’re going absolutely nowhere. Who the feck can afford or want to buy them out ? Arabs ? And then we don’t want them either so more protests.
To be honest you’re not fit to wear the shirt been sung has more effect than glazers out. At least the players have to actually listen to it . I doubt the glazers give 2 fecks we had a March yesterday and the 17th minute thing with the ticket already paid for ? Give me a break

Exactly, if these people had not bought a ticket, then they might have had a tiny shred of credibility, but buying a ticket and going in late, who really cares, the Glazers certainly don't, they have the money from those tickers, after that it is a total irrelevance.

These people were high on their self importance, and having their respective ego's massaged by other like minded folk, it was embarrassing.

If I were to go to Old Trafford now, what would I see?
Protests, or nothing at all??

I am speculating here, but I think that there would be no protests there now, which just highlights the issue further, only protesting when it is convenient.
These people are not going to protest when it might put them out, they are not quite THAT committed to their cause.

 

[djembatheking]

Obviously I understand why people are protesting and stuff but why now? The owners have already put plans to redevelop the stadium, that isn’t going to happen overnight is it. Feels like the protest are coming because we’ve been doing awful and losing to Everton was the final straw. If that’s the case then the players neee to be protested against a lot more right now. Don’t get me wrong I hate the owners and wish they’d sell up but there trying to make amends… they signed us the players we wanted in the summer, there hiring the manager we all wanted. Putting plans together to redevelop the stadium and training ground. Can’t just protest when things are going bad on the pitch, it gives our fan base a bad name. If we won a trophy this season or was 2nd in the league I guarantee these protest wouldn’t be happening. If ETH comes in next season and we get of to a flying start and challenge for things then there will be no protest will they. The players winning matches and playing well keeps everyone quiet for the time being, the minute we’re doing awful everyone wants to protest. Feels like people only want the glazers out when we’re losing..: the protest need to happen wether we’re winning or losing to show you still feel the same about them!

The only way Ten Hag has United playing good football and challenging for things next year is if he is backed heavily in the transfer market by the owners cos it won’t be with this squad. I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

The only way Ten Hag has United playing good football and challenging for things next year is if he is backed heavily in the transfer market by the owners cos it won’t be with this squad. I’ll believe it when I see it.

Which has been the case under every manager we have had and Ten Hag will be backed too. Our problem hasn’t been spending, it’s been vision at all levels of the club.

 

[Pickle85]

Exactly, if these people had not bought a ticket, then they might have had a tiny shred of credibility, but buying a ticket and going in late, who really cares, the Glazers certainly don't, they have the money from those tickers, after that it is a total irrelevance.

These people were high on their self importance, and having their respective ego's massaged by other like minded folk, it was embarrassing.

If I were to go to Old Trafford now, what would I see?
Protests, or nothing at all??

I am speculating here, but I think that there would be no protests there now, which just highlights the issue further, only protesting when it is convenient.
These people are not going to protest when it might put them out, they are not quite THAT committed to their cause.

This is an embarrassing take, based on nothing but conjecture and an arrogant assumption that you can know exactly what a group of people that you don't know are thinking. Are you pro-Glazer, out of interest? If not, your apathetic *shrug* 'well guess there's nothing we can do' attitude is weird to say the least.

 

[Jeppers7]

We won the Champions League in 2008. There was no protest that year or the next. In fact from 2007-2010 trophies rolled in and things were pretty quiet.

It’s not a criticism but an observation that memory of opposition to the takeover always seems to be jolted even we stop winning things.

A random protest in April at the not-even-seventeenth anniversary of the buyout had more to do with the defeat at Everton and the general consensus (at least at the time) that CL qualification was beyond our reach.

To that end it had nothing to do with opposing the takeover. Nobody earmarked a nothing mid-April match against Norwich over the Easter weekend as a perfect opportunity to make a point about how much they are aggrieved at the takeover

People have a right to protest but this was just fans using recent bad form for an opportunistic whip-up for the cause planned because the loss to Everton and prospect of no CL football next season would made others more likely to join in

Sorry was there not protests around 2011? When we won the league and got to CL finals? I don’t see the point in bringing up random years where there wasn’t protests. The fans of this club have been consistent with opposition to the owners. I know you like them. I see you write the same things every time this is brought up, trying to undermine anything regarding opposition to the Glazers.

I’m confident that even if we ever returned to winning leagues and CL that our core support would be opposed to the Glazers and take opportunities to oust them.

 

[djembatheking]

Which has been the case under every manager we have had and Ten Hag will be backed too. Our problem hasn’t been spending, it’s been vision at all levels of the club.

I agree the vision of the club has been terrible but spending is a part of that, we have spent a lot of money on the wrong players.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Obviously I understand why people are protesting and stuff but why now? The owners have already put plans to redevelop the stadium, that isn’t going to happen overnight is it. Feels like the protest are coming because we’ve been doing awful and losing to Everton was the final straw. If that’s the case then the players neee to be protested against a lot more right now. Don’t get me wrong I hate the owners and wish they’d sell up but there trying to make amends… they signed us the players we wanted in the summer, there hiring the manager we all wanted. Putting plans together to redevelop the stadium and training ground. Can’t just protest when things are going bad on the pitch, it gives our fan base a bad name. If we won a trophy this season or was 2nd in the league I guarantee these protest wouldn’t be happening. If ETH comes in next season and we get of to a flying start and challenge for things then there will be no protest will they. The players winning matches and playing well keeps everyone quiet for the time being, the minute we’re doing awful everyone wants to protest. Feels like people only want the glazers out when we’re losing..: the protest need to happen wether we’re winning or losing to show you still feel the same about them!

I see your point however I have a couple of issues. At present the stadium is merely ‘plans’. Who’s to say that the stadium will actually be built? It’s at least 2/3 years away from planning approval. They could easily pull the plug at any time.

Bringing in a decent manager is only half the battle. There needs to be a correction in who we target in the transfer window. We are losing a considerable amount of players in the summer and our transfer budget doesn’t stretch.

This summer we bought a £70m player intended to play RW, but favours left. So that didn’t solve an issue in our team. On top of that we then sold our only player who’s actual position is RW. We signed an injury prone CB, knowing he was injury prone. That didn’t resolve our defensive issues. And then we all knew we needed a decent DM. Instead the club signed Ronaldo and made him the highest paid player in the league at 37 years old. I’ve loved seeing him return but he simply wasn’t what we needed. We were being built for counter attacking football. All 3 were signed based on marketability rather than considering how they fit into a squad.

I will be interested to see if they go for 2/3 marquee signings again or if they actually look at sensible signings for once, to bridge gaps in the squad. I think we need 6/7 players but not all first 11. We need fresh faces on the bench and get rid of the likes of Mata, Matic and Jones. If we try to sign Rice for example I think it’s clear they haven’t learnt any lessons and we will be stuck with glaring holes all over the pitch.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

I agree the vision of the club has been terrible but spending is a part of that, we have spent a lot of money on the wrong players.

Yes but that’s really not on the owners. Most of that has been pissed away by our managers.

 

[Danish Wizard]

There is a split in the fanbase, purely because of incidents like yesterday.
Yesterday will not bring about change, what has happened since??

Has there been any announcements today??

Have I missed the Glazers saying they are stepping down??

I hope you honestly didn't think we would wake up with a new owner today. Things are not that easy. s I said earlier, it's a long & hard fight.

 

[Jeppers7]

Yes but that’s really not on the owners. Most of that has been pissed away by our managers.

Don’t you also think that the spending has lacked vision? Or has lacked any commitment until/unless top four and the Glazers business model has been put into jeopardy

 

[Dan_F]

Yes but that’s really not on the owners. Most of that has been pissed away by our managers.

For the millionth time, the owners have put a structure in place that allows that money to be continually wasted. They let a banker with no football experience run the club for almost a decade. They are fully accountable for everything.

Also. feck praising them for spending the money the clubs generates itself.

 

[Danish Wizard]

To me it's not about winning trophies on the pitch. It's a lot more complicated than that.
Yes, money have been spent, but the club earned that money. The Glazers have not spent a single penny in the club, but has milked it. Imagine where United would be, with stadium / training ground / squad if all those money had stayed in the club to be invested.!

As seen with Chelsea now, I have no doubt at least a handful of new owners would step up if United were to be listed for sale. We don't know who. But of course the price would be extreme. Several people, companies, consortiums would step up. I'm very sure that some of these would fit perfect. Don't worry about that.

The failed investment in new players is also on the managers, Woodward and so on. And sure, the players have not been good enough. But in the end, this is the Glazers fault. They are the ones with the final say in every aspect. They should have put the right people in the different positions. Had they made a clear strategy and vision for the club, had they hired the best football people in the sporting department, then we wouldn't be in this mess. If they had done all these things right, I think a lot of fans could accept them as owners. Even if we weren't winning titles as often as in the 90's and 00's..

I want them out. Nothing has changed since last May. They are very clever with their PR-work and giving small bones to fan-groups like MUST and TRA. Then they keep their mouth shut. Again, this creates a toxic atmosphere, which in the end affects the players. We need unity and a clear direction. Time for change, new owners..

 

[clarkydaz]

Well for a start, this isn't the first protest against the Glazers is it??

We have had a fair few before yesterday, and at each one that people chanted "Glazers Out!", how close to such aims has that so far gotten??

Let me see.....oh wait....they are still here, still very much in charge.

I belive we have been against then since before they took over, so let's say 04, that is 18 years now, give or take, and any such update on the progress here??

Political protests are completely different to protests like these, as MP's or those in charge are beholden to the people, (as people can vote them out), here that us very much not the case, we can't vote the Glazers out, they have the power, we have none at all.

You have over twice the number of replies as anyone in this thread saying the same thing over and over.

Why are you letting some drunk, naive egotistical fans rile you up so much

 

[MancunianAngels]

There has been protests ( when fans feel like it ) especially after a few bad results since they’ve taken over. It’s completely pointless shouting glazers out they’re going absolutely nowhere. Who the feck can afford or want to buy them out ? Arabs ? And then we don’t want them either so more protests.
To be honest you’re not fit to wear the shirt been sung has more effect than glazers out. At least the players have to actually listen to it . I doubt the glazers give 2 fecks we had a March yesterday and the 17th minute thing with the ticket already paid for ? Give me a break

There have been a number of protests though.

Aside from the initial one in 2005, there were several held at reserve games in the first few years of their ownership (when we were the best team in the world) and the green and gold stuff in 2010 (when we still had a chance of winning Premier League and Champions League).

There was also the creation and development of FC United of Manchester.

Bizarrely, there had been hardly anything for the years post Fergie. When we've been genuinely sh**, it took the Super League announcement to get people mobilised again.

I do get the wider point though. They survived the initial backlash and the Super League stuff. The only meaningful protest is an organised boycott but that's never gonna happen because fans still believe there's 50000 tourists on a mythical waiting list.

 

[Tarrou]

I do support those who are trying make a real change, not those people who are drunk, and chanting unrealistic things.

No one has yet changed a single thing at any football club, by letting off a flare or two, so not sure why people still do this, apart from thinking very misguidedly that them doing so does.
All it is; is to fuel their own ego, their own self worth, nothing more.

There is a split in the fanbase, purely because of incidents like yesterday.
Yesterday will not bring about change, what has happened since??

Has there been any announcements today??

Have I missed the Glazers saying they are stepping down??

Nope, so whilst they might be a cathartic way for a few, they are pointless in the bigger picture.

this is a bit patronising

people protest because they are unhappy and want change, it is their right and there is nothing wrong with it.. and protests are important even if they don't make the change you want today

your whinging post is actually a bit of a protest as well isn't it? and just like the protests and the Glazers yesterday, there is feckall chance of it changing anything

I hope it was at least cathartic for you also

 

[Blake's 7]

We are a money printing ATM for the Glazers. They can go AWOL, not engage with the fans and still take millions out each year. They will only sell when it is financially advantageous to them to do so. The Chelsea bids show there are investors out there, that is an avenue of hope for everyone wanting a change of ownership.

Hitting them in the pocket is the only way they will leave. How many of yesterday's protesters were wearing official United shirts? Or came into the stadium and bought food and drink? How many will give up their season tickets?

Chanting you want someone dead isn't an effective way of changing the corporate structure of a multinational company. We need an interested party to step up that we can get behind - but given the sums involved they are realistically not going to be the type of owner you'd want due to:
1. How they made their money.
2. They are also going to want to use the club as an investment vehicle .

Very few nice guys have 3 billion spare who aren't looking for some sort of return on it.

An Amazon or Tesla takeover would give us v rich and wacky owners

 

[DJ_21]

The only way Ten Hag has United playing good football and challenging for things next year is if he is backed heavily in the transfer market by the owners cos it won’t be with this squad. I’ll believe it when I see it.

They’ve never had a problem backing managers though, LVG was backed, mourinho was, Solskjær got all 3 signings he wanted this year and still didn’t do anything. The only manager who can complain about not being backed is moyes. Ten Hag will 100% be backed, there’s no way he gets given a 3/4 year contract if they aren’t going to back him and he wouldn’t of taken the job without assurances.

 

[DJ_21]

I see your point however I have a couple of issues. At present the stadium is merely ‘plans’. Who’s to say that the stadium will actually be built? It’s at least 2/3 years away from planning approval. They could easily pull the plug at any time.

Bringing in a decent manager is only half the battle. There needs to be a correction in who we target in the transfer window. We are losing a considerable amount of players in the summer and our transfer budget doesn’t stretch.

This summer we bought a £70m player intended to play RW, but favours left. So that didn’t solve an issue in our team. On top of that we then sold our only player who’s actual position is RW. We signed an injury prone CB, knowing he was injury prone. That didn’t resolve our defensive issues. And then we all knew we needed a decent DM. Instead the club signed Ronaldo and made him the highest paid player in the league at 37 years old. I’ve loved seeing him return but he simply wasn’t what we needed. We were being built for counter attacking football. All 3 were signed based on marketability rather than considering how they fit into a squad.

I will be interested to see if they go for 2/3 marquee signings again or if they actually look at sensible signings for once, to bridge gaps in the squad. I think we need 6/7 players but not all first 11. We need fresh faces on the bench and get rid of the likes of Mata, Matic and Jones. If we try to sign Rice for example I think it’s clear they haven’t learnt any lessons and we will be stuck with glaring holes all over the pitch.

I agree with you about the signings and signing the wrong players. I’ve always said we need to be smart in signing players and not going for expensive players. We need to do what Liverpool do… they sign players cheap and turn them into the best players… Robertson for example, even Diaz was fairly cheap. the cheap signings are normally the better signings and at least if we get players that don’t cost to much then we can turn them into world class players and make a profit of them. We obviously only signed Ronaldo just because he was going city, if he was joining anyone els we wouldn’t of signed him. We should of signed a dm with the money we spent on VDB but it’s a position we’ve abandoned for years but hopefully that changes this summer.

 

[TheReligion]

Exactly, if these people had not bought a ticket, then they might have had a tiny shred of credibility, but buying a ticket and going in late, who really cares, the Glazers certainly don't, they have the money from those tickers, after that it is a total irrelevance.

These people were high on their self importance, and having their respective ego's massaged by other like minded folk, it was embarrassing.

If I were to go to Old Trafford now, what would I see?
Protests, or nothing at all??

I am speculating here, but I think that there would be no protests there now, which just highlights the issue further, only protesting when it is convenient.
These people are not going to protest when it might put them out, they are not quite THAT committed to their cause.

Why would there be a protest at Old Trafford at 8am Easter Sunday and why does each of your posts keep asking stupid fecking questions?

 

[IrishRedDevil]

Good thing these bunch weren’t the hunger strikers. They would be feasting on a McDonalds during lunchtime on the first day.

Tomorrow’s problem. Tik tok to watch today.

 

[edgecutter]

Don't know why people here are against the protest, yes it would be better if all fan groups of united had a collective protest but the group that refused to enter yesterday sent a message out that we aren't happy with the glazers.

And before anyone days the glazers have spent money give your head a wobble. They have never spent a dime of their money it's always been the club's money.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Why would there be a protest at Old Trafford at 8am Easter Sunday and why does each of your posts keep asking stupid fecking questions?

Get used to it, you'll get no sense out of this one

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Sorry was there not protests around 2011? When we won the league and got to CL finals? I don’t see the point in bringing up random years where there wasn’t protests. The fans of this club have been consistent with opposition to the owners. I know you like them. I see you write the same things every time this is brought up, trying to undermine anything regarding opposition to the Glazers.

I’m confident that even if we ever returned to winning leagues and CL that our core support would be opposed to the Glazers and take opportunities to oust them.

It was 2010. At the time there was a huge debt mongering by MUST/Andy Green et al and we just lost both the league and CL after a very lacklustre 2009-2010 summer window. It was pretty much quiet the next few years until Fergie’s retirement because we either won the league or lost it on GD, despite the spending still being relatively anemic.

The poster you replied to had the right of it. When we were winning, there wasn’t much of a drive to protest, only when the perception in the fan base is that things are really going South do people turn out.

 

[The Corinthian]

Alas not, as my work elsewhere has me working on Saturday's, so I wasn't able to go.
But not sure what that has got to do with anything.

It means shut up then.

 

[JB7]

Oh no some clowns on the internet thought we were doing the wrong thing, not sure how I’ll sleep tonight. We protest illegally & the RedCafe folk cry they don’t have a game to watch and we protest legally & the RedCafe folk don’t understand why we’re doing it despite the reasons being literally written up as if they haven’t been obvious enough over the past 17 years. Are we forgetting that the Glazers had to be escorted from OT in riot vans before they even bought the club?

 

[Terrific Tangerine]

Our issue with the Glazers has always been ownership model. How they acquired the club and how the club is run. I’ve literally never heard one fan say ‘I want the Glazers out so we can win more stuff’. We were protesting around 2011 when we’d just won the league and been to three CL finals in four years. Journalists, celebrities and the football community regularly mock the club….for the way it is run. Then want to write nonsense like you have written when we protest against the same owners, for the same reasons.

Like fans of most other clubs, you seem to think you have some moral high ground supporting a ‘proper’ football club and that a fan of a club like Manchester United has no right to want what’s best for their club. We don’t want owners in charge who don’t value the best interests of the club, who purchased the club via a hostile takeover and leveraged the cost of them buying the club onto the club itself. Who take millions out of the club and put nothing in, We don’t want owners who don’t engage with fans, aren’t around the club and use the club to fund other businesses. We want owners who first and foremost view the club as a football club.

Listen I might be wrong, I’m not that big on Blackpool FC but did the protest against convicted rapist Owen Oyston start when you got promoted to the premier league or after they were found to be taking millions out of your club? Morals and all that.

You seem to have overlooked my first paragraph. I absolutely would be delighted to see shitty owners like the Glazers removed from football. In a moral sense I support the purpose of yesterday's protest entirely. But as I pointed out its going to be very difficult, probably impossible, to garner widespread support within the fanbase and football in general. Because people will assume it is entitlement behind the protests.

Let's be honest, 100s of millions on transfers and a Europa League spot, is there really a cause here, would be the thought of most in the football community.

As regards Oyston, removing him was almost impossible, even for a very average sized community based team.
Some people warned about and protested about Oyston from the moment he bought the club in 1987. He was always unpopular but people held their nose and attended games in the most part. There was however a culture of protests from the start which had no effect at all on him or his family.

When it was obvious he was removing 10s of millions from the club the protests increased massively, probably up to about 40% of the match going fans began to boycott. This was still not enough to remove him. Even at this point the majority of fans still attended!

The thing that tipped the scales and finally convinced more than 90% to boycott every revenue stream including matches was when Oyston employed a team to hunt down and sue fans who were criticising him online.

Even at a 90% boycott for years the old scrote still didn't get out. It took a minority shareholder to sue him successfully for £32 million to finally remove him. Which is a small indicator of how nigh on impossible it will be for Utd to affect their owners.

So did it start over money? For some fans it did, for others it was clear he was a crook from the start, for too few it was the rape charge, but the owners sueing fans was what changed things.

Like I said earlier I wish the United protesters well, we all deserve better football ownership in general and the governance thereof. But how exactly are the protesters going to get the high moral ground? Because without it, I dont see it working for them, you can see the fractured support for the idea in this thread alone.