Let me guess it's too "woke" for you.I don’t want to live in that world
Proposal to ban X.com links
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I’m way too fond of cooked dead farm animals to let that happenI don’t want to live in that world
I don’t think a world of vegans is woke at all.
Mao alone is credited with 40-80 million deaths.
Stalin belongs there also.
But then 'left' is now often used just to mean 'progressive', without the socialist part. That's not something you can say about Communist Russia or China; they were/are both conservative socialist totalitarian states. I can't think of any state-level progressives that were mass-murderers.
And back on topic, I think the stand-out elements of what most people dislike about Musk are rather his conservative and authoritarian ideas, moreso than his economic viewpoints. (Yes, I disagree with his economics as well.)
I think that would open up a discussion on what was considered progressive then and now - were they not seen as progressives in their time? I have the impression that that they were, but I'm no expert on this, so maybe I'm wrong.
And about Musk: Even most of his 'base' (if you can call it that) disagree with his economics, as seen by the H1B debacle. I'm not trying to argue about banning X, to me it seems totally in line with the general spirit of this forum.
I don’t think he’d really qualify as left wing. It’s interesting though that socialism can be confused with being liberal. I think a lot of the American right assume they’re the same thing.
Sure, but this kind of purity test will disqualify any world leader from any label. Was Hitler really right wing, with socialism being an integral part of Nazi ideology? Was Stalin really left wing considering how he embraced Russian nationalism? Ultimately it's a bit of a pointless exercise.
Not this please
It was socialism, but only if you met the ethnic/able bodied criteria. I’d say that flies in the face of what real socialism is all about.
I agree, but many of Musk's (and Trump's for that matter) views also flies in the face of what fascists believe real fascism is about. I think it only makes sense for centrist academics to discuss this among themselves as an academic exercise, because the real world is complicated and both socialists and fascists have endless arguments to prove and disprove why this or that leader fits or doesn't fit in this or that category.
Yeah that’s true. Politics is far more nuanced than some people will admit, yet it’s treated as this binary thing. Another thing you can probably blame twitter for.
Agree, though I think it started long before twitter, but yeah it surely didn't help.
Well noted, thanks a lot for the kind and polite response to my message (rather than the snide comments from some users like cafecillos who would rather imagine stuff and comment about me than respond directly to what I said). I know what I wrote was certainly against the majority thought but didn’t think it was offensive against anyone.
I get the idea of not wanting to direct traffic to Twitter but then again discussions about those companies will still involve some amount of praising (and advertising) their products. Not convinced how much this ban would actually hurt Musk if not part of a blanket ban on discussions about his (mostly innovative) endeavours.
Well, you assumed the poll is basically fake (because the decision is already taken), said that this is the way of the Caf (a blanket accusation without any arguments to support it), expanded the subject to also include discussion of any Musk company (no-one mentioned that in any way, shape or form), and suggested that this boy it might be at least a little hypocritical (again without explaining why).
That's not just asking questions, it actually goes quite far on the basis of very little. If you were really just curious, you could have phrased your post more open-ended; this sounded like you had already made your mind up, in ways that can easily be interpreted as insulting. So I don't think you should be surprised about all the pushback.
Anyway, all's well that ends well.
The ban doesnt have to be hurting Musk, it might just be about standing by any moral or ethical convictions people have.
If we ban X, won't it make @mazhar13 redundant?
I've closed my Twitter/X account and moved to Bluesky. The Transfer Tweets aren't well replicated elsewhere but that will remain the case until enough people stop using Twitter. I say we bin the tweets and take the hit in the short term. Hopefully it'll encourage journalists to change platform.
I'll find other ways to make sure people don't remain misinformed.
This seals it for me - swing the ban hammer on X.
Off you pop.
How many votes are we waiting for? stop the count!!!
it's so worrying that you are 100% certain what it was
Why can't I vote for Truth Social?
it’s always the “I’m far from a right winger but..” bit that gets me. you can set your clock to it. always a giveaway.
Surprising to see yes go below 50%, considering it was quite clear cut the other day.
Or busier seeking out (or creating) Bluesky content.
Still over 66% including the yes if we get Bluesky embedding option.
Agreed. Personally I wouldn't give scumbags like Murdoch or Musk $1 if I could at all help it irrespective of how miniscule my refusal is in the scheme of things.
Not to forget that social media traffic was built up one new member and new group at a time, so no reason to think it might not decline the same way.
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Nothing for me, illustrates our descent into idiocracy better than the bastardisation of the word woke by the right.
“My interpretation of it” is not a thing. You don’t get to make up your own interpretation of language - ironically a statement essential to the playbook of the idiots who would themselves “anti-woke”.
It’s such a mindnumbingly stupid abuse of a word, demonstrating the exact opposite of its meaning to try and score perceived points against those in position to use it properly.
Instead of laughing at and deriding people who use it this way into obscurity, the educated world has somehow allowed it to become a part of the lexicon, to the extent it is now used regularly and unchallenged by yes thick, but probably otherwise relatively well meaning people.
The only silver lining, is that it provides an early and extremely accurate signal to show the following opinion is worthless and can be ignored.
Something I’d be interested to see is if RedCafe did ban X and move to full Bluesky integration. How many of the Manchester based journalists would show their hand and replicate their X posts on Bluesky? The Caf must drive a not insignificant amount of traffic to their content via X?
There's not really anything to be confused about. This is what's been happening in these types of discussions for years now. It's part of why things have devolved to the state they have.
I can't imagine many people are deciding to buy or not buy a tesla after a quick read of the caf. This is a forum so people are here to discuss, banning discussion is ridiculous and wrong but stopping any kind of direct support for an extreme right wing, anti semitic platform and owner is worth the debate. Actually reading the Musk thread may actually put a lot of people off!
Also, I don't think anyone on here has ideas that stopping x embeds on Red Cafe is going to keep Musk awake at night or bring down X, it's more about how we as a community feel and what we want and don't want to support.
I agree and if it is banned, I think @Niall and the owners should make that decision public outside the caf, so when it's written up by journos (as it already has been) that various sub reddits are banning X, Red Cafe is added to the list.
We should collect a list of journalists on X/Bluesky/both and use it to form new tiers based on where they post.
We probably do drive a lot of traffic to their content so we need to be smart about it. We could even then start encouraging individual journalists to stop posting on X completely.
Amazing how many people would rather give traffic to a Nazi than be slightly inconvenienced
I assume the decision is already taken (and I still believe that) but that’s not saying the poll is fake. The poll is used to gauge general opinion at the idea so as to be able to explain it away in case it’s unpopular. (I live in a country where the authorities do this a LOT!).
Does it need any more explanation? Well, it’s my feeling about the Caf these days. The forum is generally more and more progressive-leaning so there is an increasing effort to “clean up” the discourse in that direction.
I expanded the discussion to point out that what I seem to understand from the OP that the ban wants to achieve might not exactly achieve that, unless the objective is something else.
I thought it was obvious why I said it might be a little bit hypocritical. Maybe paradoxical might have been a better word? Well, that was relative to my previous point about banning sourcing any information from X but allowing discussions about Musk’s other endeavours which will certainly involve praising.
We all form our opinions about stuff on the basis of our observations and impressions. Why would people be offended about my questions, albeit they were probably biased due to my personal opinion. Maybe I shouldn’t have phrased it like bare curiosity? Okay, I’ll give you that. But I certainly wasn’t trying to offend anyone.
On the first, don’t you think it can contribute to someone who is thinking about it to make a decision?
And on the second, isn’t that a hugely exaggerated statement? I’m sure such groups exist spamming the platform but I’m sure the same groups do same on Facebook too without Facebook being described as such. And to be honest, I have NEVER even seen their posts. I insist it depends on whom you follow and whom you block.
If it’s just the case of how the community feels, then fair enough. Like I said, it’s the way of the Caf these days, we go by the majority.
Is there even an embedding system for Bluesky at the moment?
Also, how will it help? The vast majority of X posts aren’t on Bluesky so there will be nothing to embed anyway?
These attempts to frame people as some sort of closet Nazi because they use X isn’t really helpful.
I get the impression the Admins here are all on the same page though, so ban away…
I didn’t once say they’re a closet Nazi just that they’re pathetic
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